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.... Menyimak tret bergizi tinggi nih....

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Bos Doq,
Aplikasi rem tangan di tanjakan sangat membebani sistem rem, khususnya master silinder. Apalagi kalau remnya disk brake. Wajar kalau oli remnya berkurang. Bagus gak blong di jalan (los).

IMHO, asal oli rem tidak berlanjut berkurang terus, ada suara desis, dan atau remnya blong, saya anggap itu udah karakter rem Baleno yaitu kalah di tanjakan. Tapi kalau mau yakin sih seal2 master dan slave diganti aja. Gampang kok, paling 3 jam udah termasuk bleeding udaranya.

Hanya saja masa fatalnya udah lewat, yaitu 100 km pertama setelah kejadian oli berkurang. Biasanya blong terjadi saat2 itu (pengalaman di Hiace dan truk2 jaman dulu).

Kalau sistem Citroen, gak pakai master rem. Pakai sistem pompa dan akumulator. Mau direm tangan 10 tahun pun, gak bakalan magel / blong.
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posisi saat itu bukan tanjakan bos darso, tapi kondisi jalan agak menurun..........ataukah ini sama saja? oh ya......utk belakang masih menggunakan tromol, hanya depan saja yang caram
yang saya tau, aplikasi rem tangan khan hanya menahan ban belakang saja bukan? lalu apakah ini turut membebani master rem? (eh...ini maksud nya master rem atas atau bukan pak?)

mohon pencerahan lebih lanjut :thanks:
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Menahan ban belakang, pak. Sayangnya ban belakang nyambung ke mobil. Maksudnya beban seluruh mobil ditahan sama rem belakang.

Karena di tanjakan / turunan khan bebannya jadi besar, tekanan oli rem juga besar, seal2 rem gak mampu menahan, akhirnya seal kalah dan bocor.

Bisa jadi krn mobil udah sekian tua, karet2 seal lemah. Kalau mau preventive maintenance, bisa saja (kalau lagi sempat) diganti seal yg baru, yg ori dan bagus. Kalau ganti yg KW, ya sama aja dong.
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ok...ok thx penjelasan nya oom :D
oiya, seal nya dimana aja nih yg sekira nya perlu diganti? kalau master rem atas apakah bisa hanya ganti seal saja ya? tanpa ganti unit master kamsud saya :mrgreen:

hmmm...............setelah dipikir2 kembali, memang keliatan nya kunci dr kasus ini terletak pada usia komponen serta suhu udara yg memiliki perbedaan cukup jauh antara siang dan malam :e-think:
kenapa? karena saya baru sadar kalau posisi parkir menurun seperti demikian ini bukan hanya baru kali ini saja, sudah cukup lama (hampir 2 tahun) karena garasi memang berdesign seperti itu.
hanya saja saat itu kondisi suhu udara tidak seperti sekarang (kandang baru).

yahhh sudahlah.......emang mesti jajan ini sih :e-wall:
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Biasanya kit seal udah lengkap, bos.

Pesawat terbang kalau parkir diganjel. Kereta api juga. Kapal malah ditambat. Kalau boleh usul, mobil juga diganjal bila garasi menurun. Apalagi kalau ada anak2, bahaya.
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siap pak!! :mrgreen:
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qod...nanti kalo jadi serpis rem...sekalian di ncek2 apakah sistem mekanis rem tangannya itu ada hubungan ke sistem fluida atau ada tuas tersendiri untuk mendorong kampas rem nya.

tapi kalo parkir posisi lama saran terbaik memang sebaiknya pasang ganjalan di roda (balok atau chock block) :frm_tumbright:
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Nah, tambah bergizi nih
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jalu wrote:qod...nanti kalo jadi serpis rem...sekalian di ncek2 apakah sistem mekanis rem tangannya itu ada hubungan ke sistem fluida atau ada tuas tersendiri untuk mendorong kampas rem nya.

tapi kalo parkir posisi lama saran terbaik memang sebaiknya pasang ganjalan di roda (balok atau chock block) :frm_tumbright:
emang rem tangan masih berhubungan dengan fluida rem? bukannya pake kabel dari rem tangan ke rem belakang? cmiiw...
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maskopat wrote:
jalu wrote:qod...nanti kalo jadi serpis rem...sekalian di ncek2 apakah sistem mekanis rem tangannya itu ada hubungan ke sistem fluida atau ada tuas tersendiri untuk mendorong kampas rem nya.

tapi kalo parkir posisi lama saran terbaik memang sebaiknya pasang ganjalan di roda (balok atau chock block) :frm_tumbright:
emang rem tangan masih berhubungan dengan fluida rem? bukannya pake kabel dari rem tangan ke rem belakang? cmiiw...
pertanyaan yg sama dg oom kopat :e-think:
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asudarsono wrote:Bos Doq,
Aplikasi rem tangan di tanjakan sangat membebani sistem rem, khususnya master silinder. Apalagi kalau remnya disk brake. Wajar kalau oli remnya berkurang. Bagus gak blong di jalan (los).
justru maksud dr postingan saya untuk mengconfirm info di atas lho... :frm_salut:

setau saya sistem rem tangan memang mekanis, gak ada hubungan dng sistem fluida...tp krn saya gak pernah ada pengalaman dng sistem rem tangan baleno makanya saya pengen info lanjutan sewaktu lg bongkar sistem remnya
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Senjatanya nanya kakek googling doang :

DRUM : Tidak (Beban besar mungkin Iya )
Disc Brake : BIsa iya bisa tidak

Tapi yang jelas semua sistemnya sama, dengan me-bypass hydraulic braking system..
Google wrote: In a rear drum situation, the emergency brake cable runs directly to the brake shoes, bypassing the hydraulic brake system. In this simple, mechanical bypass, the emergency brake system requires no extra parts to control the brakes [source: Owen].

Cars with rear disc brakes have a more complicated emergency brake system, sometimes requiring an entire drum brake system to be mounted inside of the rear rotor, called an exclusive parking brake or auxiliary drum brake [source: Owen].

When the vehicle has rear disc brakes without an auxiliary drum brake, a caliper-actuated parking brake system is used. With this system, an additional lever and corkscrew is added to the existing caliper piston. When the emergency brake is pulled, the lever forces the corkscrew against caliper piston, and applies the brakes, again bypassing the hydraulic braking system.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-part ... rakes1.htm

Kalau pengen yakin seperti apa di Baleno ya harus ngolong... :shrug:
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cara mengetahui apakah system handbrake pure mekanik atau ada intervensi fluida gimana bang?

*wah langsung disamber oom mitshu :upss:

so apakah sekarang clear, kalo rem tangan dg drum brake tidak ad intervensi fluida? dan tidak ada pengaruh nya terhadap kasus ini?
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mengenai pertanyaan ini.... telah ane tanyakan ke bengkel servis rem ane... dan mnurut montir2 dsana... ga ada hubungan nya antara rem tangan dgn intervensi fluida... bahkan karena tadi ane lg servis rem ipah ane... skalian lahh di kasih lecture oleh si montir2 tsb... dan sistem mekanisme rem tangan itu, sistem mekanik... ga ada intervensi fluida sama skali...

btw skalian curhat... critanya berawal waktu taon lalu ane baru ngangkat ipah ane, diservis lahh mobil tsb ke suatu beres atoyot di jakarta utara... termasuk servis rem... walaupun sebelum nya ga ada msalah ama rem mobil nya, baik dipake jalan dalkot atau lg lari kenceng kaya abg lg galau... :upss: :upss:... nahhh servis rem tsb yg meliputi ntuh kaliper di copot smua, termasuk rumah2 dan pin2 mounting kaliper tsb... kampas rem masi ckup tebal jadi disarankan ga usa diganti.... nahh stelah mobil dipake setaon lebih dan jalan uda ampir 35rebu... rem mulai terasa aneh... kalo lari kenceng di rem geter2 hebat... cuman aneh nya, geteran berasa di sbelah kanan mobil doank... makin lama pun makin terasa ngeloss kaya kampas nya abis... nahh tadi waktu ane servis rem skalian bubut... ntuh kaliper dan pin kaliper nya susah banget alias kaga bisa di copotin... stelah di puter2, semport2 penetrant, dan berbagai cara yg melelahkan dsb, akhirnya copot lahh si kaliper dan pin2 nya tsb.... ketauan lahhh kalo ternyata pin kaliper rem dari rem kanan ane, bukan bawaan ipah karena diameter nya lebi gede.... parah nya lagi, ntuh pin dipaksa masuk ke selongsong mounting kaliper nya kaya digetok paksa gt... dan stelah di cari2 ama si montir, ternyata ntuh pin kaliper kepunyaan kijang LGX yg diameter nya lebi gede....

nahh scara ntuh ipah ama pemilik seblom nya ga perna servis rem... *wong si pemilik cuman ngerti ganti oli ama filter per 5000 km doank.... dan ane cuman perna servis rem skali di beres... apa jangan2 ini ulah montir beres yg ga beres yahhh... mending servis di bengkel rumahan donk drpd servis di beres yg montir nya kerjanya lebi parah dari montir pinggir jalan....
doq wrote: so apakah sekarang clear, kalo rem tangan dg drum brake tidak ad intervensi fluida? dan tidak ada pengaruh nya terhadap kasus ini?
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sheep klep.....ngemeng2 rem belakang ipah msh tromol khan?
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iya qod.... ane skrg masi aliran rem blakang tromol koq...
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DOHC wrote:... nahh stelah mobil dipake setaon lebih dan jalan uda ampir 35rebu... rem mulai terasa aneh... kalo lari kenceng di rem geter2 hebat... cuman aneh nya, geteran berasa di sbelah kanan mobil doank... makin lama pun makin terasa ngeloss kaya kampas nya abis... nahh tadi waktu ane servis rem skalian bubut... ntuh kaliper dan pin kaliper nya susah banget alias kaga bisa di copotin... stelah di puter2, semport2 penetrant, dan berbagai cara yg melelahkan dsb, akhirnya copot lahh si kaliper dan pin2 nya tsb.... ketauan lahhh kalo ternyata pin kaliper rem dari rem kanan ane, bukan bawaan ipah karena diameter nya lebi gede.... parah nya lagi, ntuh pin dipaksa masuk ke selongsong mounting kaliper nya kaya digetok paksa gt... dan stelah di cari2 ama si montir, ternyata ntuh pin kaliper kepunyaan kijang LGX yg diameter nya lebi gede....

nahh scara ntuh ipah ama pemilik seblom nya ga perna servis rem... *wong si pemilik cuman ngerti ganti oli ama filter per 5000 km doank.... dan ane cuman perna servis rem skali di beres... apa jangan2 ini ulah montir beres yg ga beres yahhh... mending servis di bengkel rumahan donk drpd servis di beres yg montir nya kerjanya lebi parah dari montir pinggir jalan....
itu getarnya ada pola nggak? pas lari kenceng dan lambat2 beda?
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asudarsono wrote:Biasanya kit seal udah lengkap, bos.

Pesawat terbang kalau parkir diganjel. Kereta api juga. Kapal malah ditambat. Kalau boleh usul, mobil juga diganjal bila garasi menurun. Apalagi kalau ada anak2, bahaya.

pesawat jelas diganjal om karena bentuknya yg aerodinamik kalau kena angin bisa bergerak berhubung bodynya sangat aerodinamis sensitif sama tekanan angin
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DOHC wrote:mengenai pertanyaan ini.... telah ane tanyakan ke bengkel servis rem ane... dan mnurut montir2 dsana... ga ada hubungan nya antara rem tangan dgn intervensi fluida... bahkan karena tadi ane lg servis rem ipah ane... skalian lahh di kasih lecture oleh si montir2 tsb... dan sistem mekanisme rem tangan itu, sistem mekanik... ga ada intervensi fluida sama skali...

btw skalian curhat... critanya berawal waktu taon lalu ane baru ngangkat ipah ane, diservis lahh mobil tsb ke suatu beres atoyot di jakarta utara... termasuk servis rem... walaupun sebelum nya ga ada msalah ama rem mobil nya, baik dipake jalan dalkot atau lg lari kenceng kaya abg lg galau... :upss: :upss:... nahhh servis rem tsb yg meliputi ntuh kaliper di copot smua, termasuk rumah2 dan pin2 mounting kaliper tsb... kampas rem masi ckup tebal jadi disarankan ga usa diganti.... nahh stelah mobil dipake setaon lebih dan jalan uda ampir 35rebu... rem mulai terasa aneh... kalo lari kenceng di rem geter2 hebat... cuman aneh nya, geteran berasa di sbelah kanan mobil doank... makin lama pun makin terasa ngeloss kaya kampas nya abis... nahh tadi waktu ane servis rem skalian bubut... ntuh kaliper dan pin kaliper nya susah banget alias kaga bisa di copotin... stelah di puter2, semport2 penetrant, dan berbagai cara yg melelahkan dsb, akhirnya copot lahh si kaliper dan pin2 nya tsb.... ketauan lahhh kalo ternyata pin kaliper rem dari rem kanan ane, bukan bawaan ipah karena diameter nya lebi gede.... parah nya lagi, ntuh pin dipaksa masuk ke selongsong mounting kaliper nya kaya digetok paksa gt... dan stelah di cari2 ama si montir, ternyata ntuh pin kaliper kepunyaan kijang LGX yg diameter nya lebi gede....

nahh scara ntuh ipah ama pemilik seblom nya ga perna servis rem... *wong si pemilik cuman ngerti ganti oli ama filter per 5000 km doank.... dan ane cuman perna servis rem skali di beres... apa jangan2 ini ulah montir beres yg ga beres yahhh... mending servis di bengkel rumahan donk drpd servis di beres yg montir nya kerjanya lebi parah dari montir pinggir jalan....
doq wrote: so apakah sekarang clear, kalo rem tangan dg drum brake tidak ad intervensi fluida? dan tidak ada pengaruh nya terhadap kasus ini?
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@ andy : pola nya ga menentu om... kadang geter2 hebat di satu sisi body pas lagi ngerem... kadang kaga... apalagi kalo jalan cruising dalkot gt... nyaris ga berasa geter nya... cuman emg td waktu di buka, kampas rem yg sebelah kanan lebi tipis drpd yg kiri...

yg pin caliper rem itu yg biasanya dimasukin ke dalam kotak merah yg ane kotakin itu om...
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tadi disc nya akhirnya dibubut koq... dan pin nya tsb akhirnya montir bengkel ane tsb muter2 ketemu jg stelah nanya bengkel rumahan sana sini yg masi buka hari minggu... cuman harganya bener2 digetok... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
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^ oic
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