Modifikasi Mesin Vs Lifetime Machine

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Turboman wrote:IMHO:
Tergantung peningkatan Power & BHP-nya juga.

Kalau peningkatan hanya sedikit sih gak masalah, asal yg penting perawatan baik & mesin gak sering di-abuse.

Kalau peningkatan Power & BHP cukup extreem, pertimbangkan juga beban kerja Powertrain (Trans / kopling / Torque converter / gardan) yg juga bertambah berat.

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mesin dalam kondisi standard-pun jika sering di-abuse / perawatan kurang diperhatikan ya akan cepat rusak juga.

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hooh nih, dari ane pertama join SM yang ane kagumi tuh juga bro turboman, bro penyu turbo, pak putik, hansen, dan lupa lagi...
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KIOS3R wrote:hooh nih, dari ane pertama join SM yang ane kagumi tuh juga bro turboman, bro penyu turbo, pak putik, hansen, dan lupa lagi...
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idem...salute to all masters...... :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
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tret berat nehhh... nubie numpang tengok saja dahhh di ujung.... :ungg: :ungg: :ungg: :ungg:
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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ayo yang nicknya udah berbau mesin, mohon komen dsini, jangan cm ngempeng dipojokan




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KIOS3R wrote:hooh nih, dari ane pertama join SM yang ane kagumi tuh juga bro turboman, bro penyu turbo, pak putik, hansen, dan lupa lagi...
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Koq nubie spt ane bisa nyangkut di situ namanya... :ungg: :ungg:
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KIOS3R wrote:ayo yang nicknya udah berbau mesin, mohon komen dsini, jangan cm ngempeng dipojokan




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nubie cuman minjem istilah doank... ilmu cuman cetek secetek2 nya kolam pak haji di kampung sebelah doank... :ungg: :ungg:

nubie mahh ga ngerti dahhh upgrade2 mesin gt... tapi kalo hasil pengamatan bodoh ane, kayanya mesin2 skrg uda ga terlalu ramah buat di modif2 kaya mesin dulu yahh... liat aja skrg enjin wall nya uda tipis2 gt, blom lagi liner dll nya jg dbikin tipis gt... lantas apa lagi yg bisa dipapas atau di modif, baru di bubut dikit aja uda bisa retak atau rentan pecah...

bandingin macam mesin starlet atau b16 nya honda... masi bahan cast iron, tebel pula enjin wall nya... mo papas ampe mo gedein piston jg masi bisa tuh... :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Belum lagi intake manifold melintang diatas mesin bongkar2 mesin dijamin tambah susah kalo ga punya pengalaman bongkar.. :big_peace: :big_peace: :mrgreen:
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DOHC wrote:nubie cuman minjem istilah doank... ilmu cuman cetek secetek2 nya kolam pak haji di kampung sebelah doank... :ungg: :ungg:

nubie mahh ga ngerti dahhh upgrade2 mesin gt... tapi kalo hasil pengamatan bodoh ane, kayanya mesin2 skrg uda ga terlalu ramah buat di modif2 kaya mesin dulu yahh... liat aja skrg enjin wall nya uda tipis2 gt, blom lagi liner dll nya jg dbikin tipis gt... lantas apa lagi yg bisa dipapas atau di modif, baru di bubut dikit aja uda bisa retak atau rentan pecah...

bandingin macam mesin starlet atau b16 nya honda... masi bahan cast iron, tebel pula enjin wall nya... mo papas ampe mo gedein piston jg masi bisa tuh... :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
mesin skrg memang tidak se-friendly mesin lawas yg sangat akrab dng sentuhan kreatif mekanik2 lokal disini, tapi kan teknologi semakin berkembang chiong.., mesin skrg outputnya bisa lbh besar....sebagai contoh, kalo mesin lawas sering dipapas cyl head nya untuk menambah rasio kompresi, nah mesin skrg dr bawaan pabriknya aja udah pada punya rasio kompresi yg tinggi....yg ada pemiliknya kelimpungan ngasi minum bbm non subsidi.... :upss: :upss:

atau contoh lain, mesin lawas sering dilakukan dial cam untuk mendapatkan rentang powerband yg sesuai dng aplikasinya, sedangkan untuk mesin skrg malah sudah dilengkapi dng teknologi katup variabel yg lbh adaptif terhadap beban dan kondisi berkendara.

tapi asumsi saya yg cuma penggembira, sepertinya potensi mesin skrg ini agak "disunat" oleh pabrikan untuk mengejar efisiensi pada versi produksi massalnya (ECU disetup untuk efisiensi), buktinya....setelah dilakukan chip tuning/pasang piggy....ternyata outputnya masih bisa dioptimalkan lagi....makanya wajar lah kalo ada beberapa orang yg berpendapat mesin lawas lebih "jujur" dalam hal output mesin untuk produksi massalnya, terasa dr aliran tenaganya yg lbh yahud (untuk 2 mesin yg ber-output sama).....tapi jgn lupa, pada umumnya mesin lawas juga lbh "jujur" dalam hal konsumsi BBM nya (lbh boros)....heheheheh.... :upss: :upss:
aldy wrote:Belum lagi intake manifold melintang diatas mesin bongkar2 mesin dijamin tambah susah kalo ga punya pengalaman bongkar.. :big_peace: :big_peace: :mrgreen:
nah..bener mas....ruang mesin mobil skrg dibikin lebih rapi dan padat...estetika lbh baik...jadinya "ruang bermain" di area mesin lbh sempit, hehehe....



kalo ada salah2 kata, CMIIW yah.... :cupss:
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Hansen wrote:
KIOS3R wrote:hooh nih, dari ane pertama join SM yang ane kagumi tuh juga bro turboman, bro penyu turbo, pak putik, hansen, dan lupa lagi...
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Koq nubie spt ane bisa nyangkut di situ namanya... :ungg: :ungg:
ente kan pakar DI-D...tuh liat aja avatarnya.... :big_weee:

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Hansen wrote:
KIOS3R wrote:hooh nih, dari ane pertama join SM yang ane kagumi tuh juga bro turboman, bro penyu turbo, pak putik, hansen, dan lupa lagi...
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Koq nubie spt ane bisa nyangkut di situ namanya... :ungg: :ungg:
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mantabzzlah agan-agan semua ...

ane jadi specchless nech ... :big_slap:
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jadi gimana gan? kapsul97 nya jadi diturboin? wakakakaka
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he..he..he.. :big_peace:

kalu ane sebenarnya ada rencana wat di PnP sama Dial Cam ... kebanyakan ga ya tuh mau nya ? :big_peace:

cuman ya itu tadi, yang namanya modifikasi mesin kan seperti hal nya kita cari gelombang radio, kalu belum pas suaranya ga akan jernih, kalu dari keterangan agan-agan diatas benar seperti itukah ? soalnya lumayan juga kan ya untuk waktu dan biaya nya sampai dapet setting-an yang pas ..

ane sich mobil wat harian aja sich Gan ... keluar kota juga ga sering-sering amat ...

kira-kira cocok ga tuh plan nya ... :big_smoking:

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modifikasi untuk mesin yang udah banyak beredar bs lbh tenang pak....sebab referensi dan eksperimen bengkel udah cukup banyak thd mesin tsb, jd bs dibilang umumnya bengkel udah tau resep2 mujarabnya dan settingan yg pas...
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yap betul banget,,, apalagi bengkel yang udah "sepuh" banget,, inget gak jaman 80an dulu buanyak bgt kijang yang 4barrel, gonta ganti ini, blablabla,,, kalo cm pnp n dial cam doank sih mustinya mereka merem juga beres...
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iya juga sich Oom Jalu ... jadi kita bukan lah objek percobaan lagi ya, karena mereka sudah lakukan puluhan kali .. :big_peace:
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yang penting bengkel yg kt rujuk itu rekomend, insya Allah hasilnya tidak mengecewakan..... :D
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tuh, di bengkelnya om jalu aja... :frm_tumbright:
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maskopat wrote:tuh, di bengkelnya om jalu aja... :frm_tumbright:
kagak punya bengkel..... :ungg:
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tapi kenapa ya, agan-agan disini kan pada pakar-pakar, kenapa kita ga patungan buat "SM Service Station"


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ane ga ngerti apa2 om,,, kalo mo dibuat "SM Detailing Station" baru ane ikutan dah :big_peace:
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*mmmm... otak bisnis mulai berkeliaran nech*

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kalo SM buka bengkel...nanti yg datang kan SMers juga...ujung2nya malah ngobrol & gak selesai2 ngebengkelnya..... :upss:
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jalu wrote:kalo SM buka bengkel...nanti yg datang kan SMers juga...ujung2nya malah ngobrol & gak selesai2 ngebengkelnya..... :upss:
iye.. dijamin, jadi tempat numpang nginep doang tuh bengkel... dan ngobrol ngalor ngidul... :big_weee:
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