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Minibus atau MPV ??

- MINIBUS
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- MPV
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Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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sekedar ingin make sure, menurut anda, katagorinya masuk apa ya. mobil2 berikut ini ?
(nanti diambil suara terbanyak ya)

reff:
yg jelas2 dimaksdu dg MINIBUS adlah: Carry, Zebra, Jetstar, Colt T120 SS, etc
yg jelas2 dimaksud dg MPV adalah: Alphard, Serena, Innova, Grandis etc

jadi,

1. APV termasuk
- Minibus
- MPV

2. Kijang Super s/d Grand
- Minibus
- MPV

3. Kijang Kapsul
- Minibus
- MPV

4. Panther Kotak
- Minibus
- MPV

5. Panther Kapsul/Touring
- Minibus
- MPV

6. Kuda
- Minibus
- MPV

7. Avanza-Xenia
- Minibus
- MPV

8. Grandmax Van
- Minibus
- MPV

9. Espass
- Minibus
- MPV

10. Jazz 4 atau 5-seater
- Minibus
- MPV
- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM
- Sedan

11. SX-4
- Minibus
- MPV
- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM
- SUV


12. Atoz - Visto - Karimun (the city cars)
- Minibus
- MPV
- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM





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jawaban diharap singkat saja ya... pilih salah satu saja.
polling-nya gak usah divote ya..itu cuma sekedar formalitas forum polling....hehheee
judulnya dibikin begitu jg cuma spy menggambarkan saja.
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andy1800 wrote:sekedar ingin make sure, menurut anda, katagorinya masuk apa ya. mobil2 berikut ini ?
(nanti diambil suara terbanyak ya)

reff:
yg jelas2 dimaksdu dg MINIBUS adlah: Carry, Zebra, Jetstar, Colt T120 SS, etc
yg jelas2 dimaksud dg MPV adalah: Alphard, Serena, Innova, Grandis etc

jadi,

1. APV termasuk
- Minibus

2. Kijang Super s/d Grand
- Minibus

3. Kijang Kapsul
- Minibus

4. Panther Kotak
- Minibus

5. Panther Kapsul/Touring
- Minibus

6. Kuda
- Minibus

7. Avanza-Xenia
- Minibus


8. Grandmax Van
- Minibus

9. Espass
- Minibus

10. Jazz 4 atau 5-seater

- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM
- Sedan


11. SX-4
- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM


12. Atoz - Visto - Karimun (the city cars)
- MPV





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jawaban diharap singkat saja ya... pilih salah satu saja.
polling-nya gak usah divote ya..itu cuma sekedar formalitas forum polling....hehheee
judulnya dibikin begitu jg cuma spy menggambarkan saja.
be the first to ....whatever deh hehehhe :mrgreen:

reason: hatchback sebenarnya rancu juga, karena platform-nya toh dari sedan, makanya saya anggap sedan. Tapi kalo besar dan ga ada platform sedan-nya, ya terpaksa disebut MPV
kalo buat crossover, saya cenderung ke platform DNA terkuatnya, contohnya SX4 lebih ke Baleno, ya sy bilang sedan deh....

kalo citycar, sebenarnya cenderung ke MiniMPV, tapi ngga ada...yo wis ikutan MPV aja

intinya,....kalo rancu ya mengacu ke main DNA-nya alias platform utama dari mobil tersebut dibikin
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andy1800 wrote:sekedar ingin make sure, menurut anda, katagorinya masuk apa ya. mobil2 berikut ini ?
(nanti diambil suara terbanyak ya)

reff:
yg jelas2 dimaksdu dg MINIBUS adlah: Carry, Zebra, Jetstar, Colt T120 SS, etc
yg jelas2 dimaksud dg MPV adalah: Alphard, Serena, Innova, Grandis etc

jadi,

1. APV termasuk
- MPV......(soalnya d bodinya ada sticker "APV World Class MPV" :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: serius lho!!)

2. Kijang Super s/d Grand
- Minibus

3. Kijang Kapsul
- Minibus

4. Panther Kotak
- Minibus

5. Panther Kapsul/Touring
- MPV

6. Kuda
- Minibus

7. Avanza-Xenia
- MPV

8. Grandmax Van
- Minibus

9. Espass
- Minibus

10. Jazz 4 atau 5-seater
- Hatchback


11. SX-4
- Hatchback

12. Atoz - Visto - Karimun (the city cars)
- Hatchback

emank rancu sey masalah hatchback..........imho hatchback adalah kendaraan berbasis sedan tanpa bagasi belakang.....just like that :mrgreen:
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my choice


1. APV termasuk
- Minibus

2. Kijang Super s/d Grand
- MPV

3. Kijang Kapsul
- MPV

4. Panther Kotak
- MPV

5. Panther Kapsul/Touring
- MPV

6. Kuda
- MPV

7. Avanza-Xenia
- MPV

8. Grandmax Van
- Minibus

9. Espass
- Minibus

10. Jazz 4 atau 5-seater
- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM
- versi sedannya: city

11. SX-4
- Hatchback >>> ini masuk katagori apa yg skrg ada di SM
- versi sedannya: baleno

12. Atoz - Visto - Karimun (the city cars)
- nah ini yang rancu, menurut saya seh compact vehicle, tapi gak ada pilihannya.


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btw....ini judul emank ky nya mo ngeledek mobil sy deh perasaan :e-think: :big_slap:
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kalo dilihat dari mbak wiki di alamat ini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification sepertinya tidak ada kelas minibus deh..

untuk APV, kijang (hampir semua), Kuda termasuk compact MPV.
Compact MPV didefinisikan sebagai minimal 6 seaters.
nah, jazz (fit), yaris termasuk sumcompact.

masalah hatchback atau sedan, ini termasuk body style. misalnya untuk corolla E90, ada yang sedan, liftback, hatchback, station wagon. bisa dilihat di sini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Corolla_E90

nah, berarti SM harus mengubah kategori mobil nih.. hehehehe.... :big_slap:
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Dalam benak saya ini sama aja dengan pertanyaan " Indonesia masuk wilayah Asia atau Asia tenggara..?
Back to topic,semua yang di sebutkan Bro Andy menurut saya masuk katagori MPV.
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maskopat wrote:kalo dilihat dari mbak wiki di alamat ini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification sepertinya tidak ada kelas minibus deh..
Ada bos, minibus = minivan
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avansa wrote:Dalam benak saya ini sama aja dengan pertanyaan " Indonesia masuk wilayah Asia atau Asia tenggara..?
Back to topic,semua yang di sebutkan Bro Andy menurut saya masuk katagori MPV.
Kalo Asia tenggara adalah salah satu bagian dari Benua Asia.

Tapi kalo menurut wiki-nya bro Maskopat, Minivan = MPV, bukannya Minivan adalah salah satu bagian dari MPV........tau deh yg bener yg mana? :mrgreen:
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Setau gw .. di US yg disebut VAN itu ya spt minibus .. kek APV gitu.

trus yg gw bingung kenapa ada kategori minibus/station types? ... bukannya station wagon itu pengembangan dari jenis sedan?

Selain itu sebenernya MPV itu kan masalah istilah dari luar sana .. yg di indo sebenernya masuk jenis minibus .. trus category sport car ... bukannya sport car selalu base sedan? ... btw sedan itu kalo diluar sana biasanya u/ mobil saloon 4 pintu.. coupe u/ 2pintu dan wagon itu saloon yg hatchback ... wakzz... trus wagon sama hatchback beda kategori krn bedanya di ukuran yg wagon itu panjang .. kalo hatchback itu pendek ... nah kalo gitu jazz masuk sedan hatchback atau small mpv??... he he he... bingung deh gw .. :e-doh:

Mungkin sebaiknya di tentukan dulu kriteria masing2 jenis deh.. kalo ga bikin puyeng sendiri .. he he he... :mrgreen:
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bus kan identik dgn mesin kolong kali yah, mungkin yg minibus itu = mesin kolong.
tapi ga mutlak juga sih..
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GTR wrote:bus kan identik dgn mesin kolong kali yah, mungkin yg minibus itu = mesin kolong.
tapi ga mutlak juga sih..
Nah kalau kayak gini Minibus doble sock,lah sedan yang mono shock..wekekeke.
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^^Maksudnya double/mono shock? :e-think:
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MPV itu singkatan dari apa sih ? ´Multy Purpose Van´ ya ?
Mungkin kalau merujuk dari singkatanya, maka kendaraan yang lebih ´Multy Purpose´ lebih berhak di namai MPV.. :mrgreen:.
Seharusnya mobil yang di sebut MPV bisa mengangkut apa saja termasuk orang, barang berukuran besar, sepeda, Meja dll.
Kalau kita lihat iklan suatu mobil, kadang diperlihatkan dengan melipat Jok rata dengan lantai maka sepeda bisa masuk. Piano bisa diangkut. Almari & meja bisa masuk.

Kalau minibus mungkin tidak se fleksible MPV. Design sudah kaku, cenderung untuk mengangkut orang saja, meski bisa jg untuk mengangkut barang tapi repot dalam prakteknya (Melepas baut jok, ngasih tali pengikat dll)

Bahasa indonesia memang banyak menggunakan kata2 & istilah serapan yang lucu2. Untung nyebutnya ´Minibus´. kalau nyebutnya ´Bus Mini´ mungkin bisa bikin gak enak yang punya mobil.. emang metromini.. :mrgreen:

Wah, seharusnya pak Ts ngasih definisi dulu doong, apa itu minibus & MPV biar gak bingoeng.. :e-whistle:

Yo uwis ikut input aja ah... :

1. APV termasuk
- Minibus

2. Kijang Super s/d Grand
- Minibus

3. Kijang Kapsul
- Minibus

4. Panther Kotak
- Minibus

5. Panther Kapsul/Touring
- Minibus

6. Kuda
- Minibus

7. Avanza-Xenia
- Minibus


8. Grandmax Van
- Minibus

9. Espass
- Minibus
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Sekarang ini di category Car Topic pembagiannya sbb

Sedan types
Pickup types
Minibus / Station types
SUV (2WD/4WD) Types
MPV Types
Sport (car) Types
Other (car) Types

Acuan pembagian Car Topic ini .. berdasarkan jenis, fungsi atau bentuk??
Klasifikasi mobil sebenarnya hal yg subyektif krn banyak mobil yg dapat masuk dalam bebrapa kategori atau bahkan tidak masuk satu dalam kategori manapun. Klasifikasi mobil tiap negara tidak sama.

Kalo berdasarkan car category maka seharusnya sbb:

# 1 Microcar
# 2 Hatchbacks, saloons (sedans) and estate cars (station wagons)

* 2.1 City car
* 2.2 Supermini/subcompact car
* 2.3 Small family car/compact car
* 2.4 Large family car/mid-size car
* 2.5 Full-size car/large car
* 2.6 Compact executive car/entry-level luxury car
* 2.7 Executive car/mid-luxury car
* 2.8 Full-size car

# 3 Sports cars and grand tourers

* 3.1 Hot hatch / sport compact
* 3.2 Sports saloon / sports sedan
* 3.3 Sports car
* 3.4 Grand tourer
* 3.5 Supercar
* 3.6 Muscle car
* 3.7 Pony car

# 4 Convertible
# 5 Off-roaders

* 5.1 Sport utility vehicle
* 5.2 Crossover SUV

# 6 Multi-purpose vehicles / Minivans
# 7 Van, camper, RV, minibus etc.
# 8 Car Show Class Definitions

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4x4 or 4WD ("four-by-four" or "four-wheel drive")
A four-wheeled vehicle with a drivetrain that allows all four wheels to receive power from the engine simultaneously. The terms are usually (but not exclusively) used in Europe to describe what is referred to in North America as a sport utility vehicle or SUV (see below).

Cabrio coach or Semi-convertible
A form of car roof, where a retractable textile cover amounts to a large sunroof. Fundamental to various older designs such as the Citroën 2CV; sometimes an option on modern cars.

Cabriolet
A term for a convertible (see below).

Convertible
A body style with a flexible textile folding roof or rigid retracting roof — of highly variable design detail — to allow driving in open or enclosed modes.

Coupé
A 2-door, 2- or 4-seat car with a fixed roof. Its doors are often longer than those of an equivalent sedan and the rear passenger area smaller; the roof may also be low. In cases where the rear seats are very small and not intended for regular use it is called a 2+2 (pronounced "two plus two"). Originally, a coupé was required to have only one side window per side, but this consideration has not been used for many years.

Coupé utility (ute)
the coupé utility is a passenger-car derived light truck with coupé passenger cabin lines and an integral cargo bed.

Crossover (or CUV)
A loose marketing term to describe a vehicle that blends features of a SUV with features of a car — especially forgoing the body on frame construction of the SUV in favor of the car's unibody or monocoque construction.

Estate car (or just "estate")
The British term for what North Americans call a station wagon.

Fastback
A design where the roof slopes at a smooth angle to the tail of the car, but the rear window does not open as a separate "door".

Hardtop
A style of car roof. Originally referred to a removable solid roof on a convertible; later, also a fixed-roof car whose doors have no fixed window frames, which is designed to resemble such a convertible.

Hatchback
Identified by a rear door including the back window that opens vertically to access a storage area not separated from the rest of the passenger compartment. May be 3 or 5 door and 2 to 5 seats, but generally in the US the tailgate isn't counted making it a 2-door and 4-door.

Hearse
A converted luxury car usually used to transport the dead. Often longer and heavier than the vehicle on which they are usually based.

Leisure activity vehicle
A small van, generally related to a supermini, with a second or even a third seat row, and a large, tall boot.

Liftback
A style of coupé with a hatchback; this name is generally used when the opening area is very sloped (and is thus lifted up to open).

Limousine
By definition, a chauffeur-driven car with a (normally glass-windowed) division between the front seats and the rear. In German, the term simply means a sedan.

Minibus
Designed to carry fewer people than a full-size bus, generally up to 16 people in multiple rows of seats. Passenger access in normally via a sliding door on one side of the vehicle. One example of a van with a minibus version available is the Ford Transit.

Minivan
North American term for a boxy wagon-type of car usually containing three or four rows of seats, with a capacity of six or more passengers. Often with extra luggage space also. As opposed to the larger van, the minivan was developed primarily as a passenger vehicle, though is more van-like than a station wagon. In Britain, these are generally referred to as people carriers.

Muscle car
Popular sports cars during the late 1960s and the 1970s. Were also used as race cars.

MPV
Multi-purpose vehicle, a large car or small bus designed to be used on and off-road and easily convertible to facilitate loading of goods from facilitating carrying people.

Notchback
A cross between the smooth fastback and angled sedan look. It is a sedan type with a separate trunk compartment.

People carrier or people mover
European name to describe what is usually referred to in North America as an Minivan.

Pickup truck a.k.a pickup
A small, medium, or large-sized truck, though smaller in every case than a Semi tractor truck. The passenger cabin is wholly separated from the cargo bed.

Pillarless
Usually a prefix to coupé, fastback, or hardtop; completely open at the sides when the windows are down, without a central pillar, e.g. the Sunbeam Rapier fastback coupé.

Ragtop
Originally an open car like a roadster, but with a soft top (cloth top) that can be raised or lowered. Unlike a convertible, it had no roll-up side windows. Now often used as slang for a convertible.

Retractable Hardtop
aka Coupé convertible or Coupé Cabriolet. A type of convertible forgoing a foldable textile roof in favor of a multi-segment rigid roof retracts into the lower bodywork.

Roadster
Originally a two-seat open car with minimal weather protection — without top or side glass — though possibly with optional hard or soft top and side curtains (i.e., without roll-up glass windows). In modern usage, the term means simply a two-seat sports car convertible, a variation of spyder.

Sedan
A car seating four or more with a fixed roof that is full-height up to the rear window. Known in British English as a saloon. Sedans can have 2 or 4 doors. This is the most common body style[citation needed]. In the U.S., this term has been used[who?] to denote a car with fixed window frames, as opposed to the hardtop style wherein the sash, if any, winds down with the glass.

Sedan delivery
North American term for a vehicle similar to a wagon but without side windows, similar to a panel truck but with a door on each side, and with a tailgate or one or two rear doors . Often shortened to delivery.[citation needed]

Sport utility vehicle (SUV)
Derivative of a pickup truck or 4-wheel-drive vehicle, but with fully-enclosed passenger cabin interior and carlike levels of interior equipment. Colloquially known in Australia as 'soft-roaders' or 'Toorak tractors'[1].

Spyder (or Spider)
Similar to a roadster but originally with less weather protection. The term originated from a small two-seat horse cart with a folding sunshade made of four bows.[citation needed] With its black cloth top and exposed sides for air circulation, the top resembled a spider. Nowadays it simply means a convertible sports car.

Shooting brake
A two-door estate car; generally for vintage or extremely expensive vehicles. They were vehicles for the well-off shooter and hunter, giving space to carry shotguns and other equipment. Usually made to order by coachbuilders.[citations needed] The term is occasionally revived.

Station wagon
A car with a full-height body all the way to the rear; the load-carrying space created is accessed via a rear door or doors. Sometimes shortened to just wagon.

Surrey top
Similar to the Porsche Targa top, the surrey top was developed by Triumph in 1962 for the TR4.

T-top
A derivative of the Targa top, called a T-bar roof, this fixed-roof design has two removable panels and retains a central narrow roof section along the front to back axis of the car (e.g. Toyota MR2 Mark I.)

Targa top
A semi-convertible style used on some sports cars, featuring a fully removable hard top roof panel which leaves the A and B pillars in place on the car body. (e.g. Fiat X1/9). Strictly, the term originated from and is trademarked by Porsche for a derivate of its 911 series, the Porsche 911 Targa, itself named after the famous Targa Florio rally. A related styling motif is the Targa band, sometimes called a wrapover band which is a single piece of chrome or other trim extending over the roof of the vehicle and down the sides to the bottom of the windows. It was probably named because the original Porsche Targa had such a band behind its removable roof panel in the late 60s.

Ute
Australian/New Zealand English term for the Coupe Utility body style (see above). Sometimes used informally to refer to any utility vehicle, particularly light trucks such as a pickup truck. In American English, sport-ute is sometimes used[who?] to refer to an SUV (see above).

Van
In North America "van" refers to a truck-based commercial vehicle of the wagon style, whether used for passenger or commercial use. Usually a van has no windows at the side rear (panel van), although for passenger use, side windows are included. In other parts of the world, 'van' denotes a passenger-based wagon with no rear side windows.

Wagon delivery
North American term (mainly U.S. and Canada). Similar to a sedan delivery, with four doors. Sometimes shortened to delivery; used alone, "delivery" is presumed to be a sedan delivery. No longer manufactured.


Kalo menurut gw agar simple dan mudah u/ dipilah sesuai kondisi indo maka pembagiannya sbb:
* Micro Car & City Car >> mobil2 berukuran kecil dg mesin max. 1100cc
* Sedan/Saloon, Coupe, hatchback, station wagon, sportcar
* MPV (Small MPV, Compact MPV, Large MPV/Minivans) >> all people carrier masuk disini.
* Off-Roader (SUV/Crossover SUV/D-Cab)
* Pickup >> kendaraan dg bak terbuka maupun dg box u/ angkut barang
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maxx wrote:Sekarang ini di category Car Topic pembagiannya sbb

Sedan types
Pickup types
Minibus / Station types
SUV (2WD/4WD) Types
MPV Types
Sport (car) Types
Other (car) Types


Kalo menurut gw agar simple dan mudah u/ dipilah sesuai kondisi indo maka pembagiannya sbb:
* Micro Car & City Car >> mobil2 berukuran kecil dg mesin max. 1100cc
* Sedan/Saloon, Coupe, hatchback, station wagon, sportcar
* MPV (Small MPV, Compact MPV, Large MPV/Minivans) >> all people carrier masuk disini.
* Off-Roader (SUV/Crossover SUV/D-Cab)
* Pickup >> kendaraan dg bak terbuka maupun dg box u/ angkut barang

setuju dengan om maxx. mungkin kita kategorikan saja ke dalam 5 point di atas.. soalnya di tiap tempat beda2 lagi pengertiannya. toh, gak terlalu penting kan kategori ini.. yang penting kendaraannya bisa dipergunakan sebagaimana mestinya dengan baik dan benar.. *halah.. sotoy nih*.. :big_slap:
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maskopat wrote:setuju dengan om maxx. mungkin kita kategorikan saja ke dalam 5 point di atas.. soalnya di tiap tempat beda2 lagi pengertiannya. toh, gak terlalu penting kan kategori ini.. yang penting kendaraannya bisa dipergunakan sebagaimana mestinya dengan baik dan benar.. *halah.. sotoy nih*.. :big_slap:
woalah...ini opo korelasinya? :big_slap:
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Re: Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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Risol1 wrote:^^Maksudnya double/mono shock? :e-think:
Halah jangan terlalu serios bro..Asbun aja ngikuti yang di atas..he..he..he. :big_peace:
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Re: Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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Balik aja ke istilah orang kampung..Jep,sedan,stasion, dan pick up di tambah truk dan Bus. :big_slap:
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Re: Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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maxx wrote:trus yg gw bingung kenapa ada kategori minibus/station types? ...
bukannya station wagon itu pengembangan dari jenis sedan?
ttg kebingungan ini, gw sangat understand.

jadi begini,
silakan hal tsb dimaklumi, dlm konteks historis.

begini,
kebetulan, yg menciptakan katagori station tsb adalah org jawa (timur)... yg mana, di jawa, mobil2 spt Mitsubishi Colt, L300, ST20 truntung minibus, Isuzu Elf dan semacamnya, dulunya disebut/dipahami sebagai mobil station (baca: steisyen)... dg icon yg plg terkenalnya adalah: Colt Station (Kol Steisyen).
dan tidak disebut sebagai Minibus.
silakan tanya (misalnya) ke bro avanza itu... sebutan tsb masih berlaku di area jawa, bahkan sampai sekarang.
sebutan2 basic, persis spt yg dibilangnya itu: jip,sedan,stasion, dan pick up, di tambah truk dan Bus.

sedangkan kalau Bus Mini... itu kalau di jawa adalah sebutan utk bus2 yg berbasis truk, yaitu bus 3/4 spt Kopaja atau Metromini.
jadi, sebenarnya, kalau di jawa tu, akan rancu kalau kita menyebut Minibus...krn istilah itu sebenarnya nggak dikenal, shg akan terancukan dg pemahaman orang2 sana ttg BusMini.
huehehehe
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lanjut...
jadi, pemahaman sang pencipta subforum tersebut, ya begitu rupa lah....
dan kebetulan, sang pencipta subforum tsb dulunya tidak tau bahwa istilah Station itu sebanrnya berasal dari Stationwagon (atau Estate)... yg merupakan pen-station-an dari suatu Sedan.

nah, begitulah...
dan lalu, histori itu akhirnya mengalir dan terbawa sampai sekarang....ya jadi spt begini ini lah ...
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Re: Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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MitshuToyo wrote:
maxx wrote:Mungkin sebaiknya di tentukan dulu kriteria masing2 jenis deh.. kalo ga bikin puyeng sendiri .. he he he... :mrgreen:
Wah, seharusnya pak Ts ngasih definisi dulu doong, apa itu minibus & MPV biar gak bingoeng.. :e-whistle:
jadi begini rekan2...
topic ini gw lontarkan, bukan bermaksud utk mencari "kebenaran".
namun, adalah dalam rangka tugas gw sebagai moderator, yg salah satu tugasnya adlh secara teknis mengorganize threads.

jadi, disini yg berusaha gw kumpulkan bukanlah reason dan justifikasi,
tapi yg berusaha gw kumpulkan adalah: pendapat spontan dari rekan2.
yg berusaha gw gali adalah: common-sense nya (if any).

gw sendiri sebenarnya jg nggak masalah kalaupun mobil ini masuk katagori A, mobil itu masuk katagori B, dst..
namun, in this case, yg gw concern adalah sehubungan dgn pengelompokan atas topic2nya, di subforum.

bukan apa2 bro,...
tapi hal ini menjadi cukup penting, karena berhubungan dg algoritma search.
baik searching secara visual, maupun searching secara software.

kalau kita melakukan searching suatu topic, dg menggunakan keyword.... maka seringkali kita jg melakukan (agak) advance search, dengan menyempitkannya spesifik pada subforum tertentu....subforum MPV misalnya.

demikian jg bila ada member (terutama member yg paling awam ttg mobil) yg akan posting new topic, kalau bisa, dengan sekali pandang pun akan udah tau (udah muncul common sense) dia mau memposting new topic tsb di subforum yg mana.

dan seterusnya dan seterusnya deh.... hehehe.
gak perlu gw bicara lbh panjang lebar lagi... krn gw yakin bro-bro udah pada ngerti what i mean.
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then,
krn ternyata dari sini tidak diketemukan suatu common-sense yg mencolok,
maka, dalam melaksanakan tugas organizing ini, gw terpaksa menggunakan kewenangan yg dipunyai oleh mods, yaitu: kewenangan veto.
hueheheee...maap maap
:e-pray: :e-pray:

so, here, ada fakta bahwa:
saat ini, subforum2 yg dipunyai SM, kita asumsikan udah given begini rupa, spt yg rekan2 udah sama2 ketahui.
maka, gw akan mendayagunakan itu saja dulu, sebelum nantinya dibikin subforum2 yg lbh ideal.


jadi, sementara ini,
gw akan mengelompokkan berdasar pandangan awam saja, dg sedikit dasar yg cukup asal dan (mgkin) tidak konsisten, yaitu:
- Minibus: adalh mobil2 yg dirancangnya sebenarnya adalah utk angkutan barang (dlm arti: pickup).... lalu "dikaroseri" spy bisa membawa penumpang.
- MPV: adalah mobil2 yg memang dari awal dirancang utk MPV, shg mereka ini tidak punya versi pickupnya.

berdasar itu, maka:
- Kijang & Panther (s/d body yg kapsul/touring) = termasuk Minibus, bersama2 dg yg mmg jelas2 Minibus spt Carry, Zebra dkk.
- Innova, GL, APV, AvanzXenia, dan mobil2 minimum 7-seater people carrier lainnya= termasuk Multi Purpose Vehicle.

tentu saja, dlm catagorizing ini, mungkin nantinya akan terjadi anomali2 (Irregular Catagorizing)...
dan itu smestinya sah-sah saja....sama sahnya dg apa yg terjadi pada grammar bhs Inggris, yg jg mempunyai Irregular Verbs (dan Irregular Rules lainnya).
(note: Kijang Innova pun sudah agak anomali dlm katagori MPV, karena hanya dia sendirian lah MPV yg ladder frame).


ok, lanjut...
ttg mobil2 hatchback....
memang kebanyakan hatchback tu sharing platform dg sedan... tp bagi yg awam, ini belum byk yg mengetahuinya.
maka, nantinya akan gw masukkan ke dalam subforum Others.
sebelum dibikin subforum Hatchback & City Car Type.

apalagi, ada jg hatchback yg tdk sharing platform dg sedan atau apapun.... dan bahkan ada pula hatchback yg berbasis MPV (misalnya Livina XR).
demikian juga dg pembahasan ttg mobil2 citycar spt Krimun, Visto, dkk... smtara ini akan kita kelompokkan ke dalam subforum Other Type tsb
meskipun, konsekuensinya, itu berarti dia akan satu subforum dg Truck, Limousine, Tank, dsb....:mrgreen:


lalu, utk bro2 yg minta pertimbangan beberapa mobil yg lintas platform.... akan kita masukan ke dalam Common Topics of Car.
sekaligus, gw ingin bertanya kepada kawan2... apakah bukan sebaiknya kalau Common Topics ini dimasukkan ke dlm (di bawah) Board Index: Car ?
jadi, subforum itu tidak terpencar sendirian di atas sana.


itu dulu deh, bicaranya... gw ndiri nanti jg dah akan capek bacanya, kaliii....
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ga perlu terlalu dimengerti sekali bro doq....tar kalo terlalu paham malah diangkat sebagai moderator loh.....wekekekeke :mrgreen:

btw, sy setuju aja dengan veto-nya mod andy... tujuan intinya "peng"klairifikasi-an ulang" tipe kendaraan ini hanya supaya forum/topic di SM ini lebih relatif rapi dilihat dari sudut pandang the most common and logic thinking dari para SMers...

ik' denk dit is meer belangrijk dan het technische omschrijving....

jadi sy kira itu lebih penting daripada terlalu tepat menurut definisi teknis tapi malah susah dimengerti....seperti bro doq ini hehehe :mrgreen:

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Re: Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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andy1800 wrote:

gw akan mengelompokkan berdasar pandangan awam saja, dg sedikit dasar yg cukup asal dan (mgkin) tidak konsisten, yaitu:
- Minibus: adalh mobil2 yg dirancangnya sebenarnya adalah utk angkutan barang (dlm arti: pickup).... lalu "dikaroseri" spy bisa membawa penumpang.
- MPV: adalah mobil2 yg memang dari awal dirancang utk MPV, shg mereka ini tidak punya versi pickupnya.

berdasar itu, maka:
- Kijang & Panther (s/d body yg kapsul/touring) = termasuk Minibus, bersama2 dg yg mmg jelas2 Minibus spt Carry, Zebra dkk.
- Innova, GL, APV, AvanzXenia, dan mobil2 minimum 7-seater people carrier lainnya= termasuk Multi Purpose Vehicle.
APV bukannya ada versi pickup nya bos.. :ngacir:
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Re: Suzuki APV, katagorinya termasuk: Minibus atau MPV ??

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ini mobil2 jadi2an cuma laku di negara dunia ketiga..
kalo di negara maju paling buat blind van atau pickup. ga kepake buat bawa orang dah..
kategorinya sama kaya kijang/panther, mobil niaga pickup dikasi atep jadi bisa buat bawa orang :D :D
kalo dibilang minibus mungkin bisa, bentuk emang kaya bus

MPV = people carrier, di desain buat bawa orang (dibilang minivan di US), ga ada varian pickupnya buat ngangkut batu batanya..hehe

sama aja orang bilang CRV/X-trail/terios itu SUV : Sportnya apa? mesin 4cyl ekonomi. handling so-so.Utility apa? packaging ga lebih dari sedan (5pass), FWD kaya honda sipik. paling (perceived) ground clearance.
kalo X5 baru SUV :D :D mesin kenceng ada 4x4nye