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Yusaku wrote:terima kasih banyak Pak Penyuturbo, tapi kok yang dot 5.1 kelewatan tidak dibahas hehehe,BTW baru sekarang saya tahu kalau brake pad ada berbagai macam jenis, sekali lagi terima kasih atas informasi yang telah dibagikan di sini yang menambah pngetahuan newbie seperti saya :)
Hehehehe ... sorry ... Kalau DOT5.1 bahan dasarnya BORATE ESTER ... sifatnya seruap dengan DOT3 dan DOT4 (Hygroscopic - menyerap uap air), hanya saja boiling point-nya melebihi DOT5 ...

Yang penting :

1. Rajin Flushing Brake Fluid, untuk meminimalkan terjadinya FLUID FADE

2. Jika ganti Brake Pad baru, maka diperlukan BEDDING-IN Periode dulu, untuk meminimalkan GREEN FADE
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ok, makasih atas tipsnya pak penyuturbo
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ENDLESS

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Thanks Penyu Turbo untuk detail penjelasannya.

Secara general, saya menyebutkan ENDLESS brake pads keras, karena toko2 performance di Indonesia selalu menyediakan brake pads racing (AKA full metal) yang operating tempnya tinggi, hanya untuk menjual produk mereka yang mereka punya, maka mereka selalu menyarankan brake pads demikian untuk customernya tanpa menghiraukan faktor lain (Yang penting laku). Makanya, dengan penjelasan Penyu turbo yang panjang, saya harap para carsmetic lebih tau apa yang mesti mereka lakukan.
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Sekarang ini sudah banyak tersedia banyak Brake Pad jenis ceramic, walaupun beleum tersedia yang High Performance Ceramic Pads, namun dalam penggunaan shari-hari brake pad ceramic ini lebih unggul ketimbang semi-metallic pad. Berikut perbandingan antara semi metallic dengan ceramic pad (Merek AKEBONO, merek-merek lain mungkin juga sudah tersedia) :
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soal brake fluid dot 5.. gw baca dimana gitu ga semua mobil kompatible dgn sistem ini.

Btw, inii gw nemu bbrp info ttg DOT 5
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Mike Burdick (on the SOL list) says:

A while back when this topic came up, I posted excerpts from a Skinned Knuckles article on silicone brake fluid. They made the best attempt I've seen so far to actually address this issue with hard data instead of anecdotes. The data they used came from military tests in jungle conditions and tests from the original producer of DOT5 fluid (DuPont? I can't remember...). Even so, they were not able to come up with many conclusions about DOT5 fluid. In a nutshell, the conclusions were:

1. DOT5 does not absorb water and may be useful where water absorption is a problem.

2. DOT5 does NOT mix with DOT3 or DOT4. They also maintain that all reported problems with DOT5 are probably due to some degree of mixing with other fluid types. They said the proper way to convert to DOT5 is to totally rebuild the hydraulic system.

3. Reports of DOT5 causing premature failure of rubber brake parts were more common with early DOT5 formulations. This is thought to be due to improper addition of swelling agents and has been fixed in recent formulations.

4. DOT5 is compatible with all rubber formulations.

5. DOT5 doesn't eat paint.

They also made some general recommendations based on this data and personal experiences. These, along with recommendataions of list members included:

1. If it works for you, use it. You won't hurt anything if you do the conversion correctly. (See, #2 above)

2. Careful bleeding is required to get all of the air out of the system. Small bubbles can form in the fluid that will form large bubbles over time. It may be necessary to do a series of bleeds.

3. DOT5 is probably not the thing to use in your race car although it is rated to stand up to the heat generated during racing conditions. The reason for this recommendation is the difficult bleeding mentioned above.

4. DOT5 is a good choice for the weekend driver/show car. It doesn't absorb water and it doesn't eat paint. One caveat is that because it doesn't absorb water, water that gets in the system will tend to collect at low points. In this scenario, it would actually be promoting corrosion! Annual flushing might be a good idea.

http://www.team.net/sol/tech/dot5.html
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DigitALL wrote:
Yusaku wrote:
WP wrote:Kalo menurut saya Jazz itu stabil dikemudikan, walaupun belum pernah coba topspeed-nya, tapi saya jalanin di tol
buat pindah jalur ga ada gejala oleng, sedangkan saya pakai New City ada gejala oleng jika menikung cepat...bagasi belakangnya seperti ingin keluar jalur gitu...
di autobild waktu pengetesan mobil 150 juta, ada kecenderungan city untuk oversteer ?? padahal city kan FF kok isa ya :roll: padahal jazz ngggak :e-dance:
Itu kan gara2 pantatnya City terlalu besar :lol: Jadi lebih ngebuang dibandingkan Jazz.
Gw jg pernah ngetes New City belok di tol BSD-Pd Indah, 120km/h (kecepatan maks disarankan 40km/h), mobil seperti terbawa keluar garis jalur..apalagi pantatnya...untung gw sadar and inget New City yg kebalik di situ, jadi gak coba2 lagii deh
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Kalo Jazz kan gak ada buntut, mestinya lebih stabil di tikungan dong
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frontier wrote:Kalo Jazz kan gak ada buntut, mestinya lebih stabil di tikungan dong
yup.... Anda benar pak... bagasi besar New City kadang menghambat manuver...
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apalagi kalo Jazz yang sudah diceperin dengan Eibach pro-kit dan ganti shock blakang dengan Boge yang untuk mercy W124.. lalu sudah pasang apa itu namanya pipa atau lempengan metal yang melintang di antara kedua rumah shock depan dan belakang... strut bar kah... makin muantap lengket di jalan....
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frontier wrote:apalagi kalo Jazz yang sudah diceperin dengan Eibach pro-kit dan ganti shock blakang dengan Boge yang untuk mercy W124.. lalu sudah pasang apa itu namanya pipa atau lempengan metal yang melintang di antara kedua rumah shock depan dan belakang... strut bar kah... makin muantap lengket di jalan....
Dikasih Ban TOYO ... hujan-hujan ... nggak ada yang ngalahin.
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back to topic:
mulai kecepatan 90kph ke atas Jazz uda kehilangan grip buat cornering (all stock: suspensi, ban dan juga tekanannya
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PenyuTurbo wrote:
frontier wrote:apalagi kalo Jazz yang sudah diceperin dengan Eibach pro-kit dan ganti shock blakang dengan Boge yang untuk mercy W124.. lalu sudah pasang apa itu namanya pipa atau lempengan metal yang melintang di antara kedua rumah shock depan dan belakang... strut bar kah... makin muantap lengket di jalan....
Dikasih Ban TOYO ... hujan-hujan ... nggak ada yang ngalahin.
Saya pakai Toyo Proxes, belum pernah coba siih zigzag pas ujan.... salah2 malah lewat lagi hiiiii.....
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abis zigzag masih bisa ngopi di rumah sih...
yang gawat kalo ketemu mobil2 kecoak yg saking sayang akinya gak mo nyalain lampu, lewat karena rem mendadak
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StRaDe_Jazz wrote:abis zigzag masih bisa ngopi di rumah sih...
yang gawat kalo ketemu mobil2 kecoak yg saking sayang akinya gak mo nyalain lampu, lewat karena rem mendadak
Jadi pengin liat bung Strade Jazz zigzag nih.... biasa kalo lewat Tol Kebon Jeruk-Karawaci selalu pagi ya boss? cuman buat geber mobil doank?
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buat brgkt kulh, UPH tuh, =universitas penguras harta :e-dance:
gw juga berani kalo uda lewat pintu tol karang tengah n kalo ada mobil yang kebut2an
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StRaDe_Jazz wrote:buat brgkt kulh, UPH tuh, =universitas penguras harta :e-dance:
gw juga berani kalo uda lewat pintu tol karang tengah n kalo ada mobil yang kebut2an
Kapan2 ketemuan donk boss.... jurusan mana lo boss? Gw tiap hari lewat tol Serpong-Karawaci juga kok... Menuju Kampus Burung Emprit....
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Manajemen, mo ketemu di mana nih senior? ato jangan2 sama2 kenal lagi nih?
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Buset.... ketemu di Gedung E aja deh boss... angkatan berapa nih?
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2006 gue, bro? ya uda di gedung E lante satu jam berapa? btw ngobrol di topik kayak gini gpp nih?
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O iya ga enak sama yg lain.... hihihi.... PM aja deh...
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balik lagi ke topik, saran gue kalo mau selamat dari oversteer, manfaatin oversteer itu sendiri, apalagi Jazz yang FF, oversteer nya bentar doang :) :) :)
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ampuuuun sensei, baru kali ini ada yang bisa tahu kecepatan berapa ini mobil lose grippp, saya aja pakai Cr-V 4 WD ban sudah mencicit aja langsung siaga ini malah dijaidin mainan hiiii seram nanti ke jakarta saya mesti silahturami nich ke anda :lol:
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Kalo City pernah gw test cornering limitnya di belokan tol BSD-Pondok Indah, di belokan yg paling tajem itu tuh...

Kecepatan 80km/h adalah yg paling maksimal. Gw pernah coba 100 km/h agak menggeser, di kecepatan 120 km/h sudah keluar jalur, keluar garis marka jalan.

Kondisi mobil, New City VTEC tahun 2005 standar, ban standar juga, dan kondisi aspal kering (cuaca cerah), dan lalu lintas sepi.

Perkiraan gw, New City silver yg pernah terbalik hancur lebur...bur.... di sini pasti bawanya di atas 140 km/h.
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Yusaku wrote:ampuuuun sensei, baru kali ini ada yang bisa tahu kecepatan berapa ini mobil lose grippp, saya aja pakai Cr-V 4 WD ban sudah mencicit aja langsung siaga ini malah dijaidin mainan hiiii seram nanti ke jakarta saya mesti silahturami nich ke anda :lol:
mainan of maut, :e-dance: :e-dance:
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StRaDe_Jazz wrote:
Yusaku wrote:ampuuuun sensei, baru kali ini ada yang bisa tahu kecepatan berapa ini mobil lose grippp, saya aja pakai Cr-V 4 WD ban sudah mencicit aja langsung siaga ini malah dijaidin mainan hiiii seram nanti ke jakarta saya mesti silahturami nich ke anda :lol:
mainan of maut, :e-dance: :e-dance:
ati2 aja Strade... tgl 15 kemarin ada kecelakaan beruntun di tempat mainnya tuh...pagi2 kejadiannya...tau ga Strade?

tapi tetap aja gw juga suka ikut balap pagi di situ sih hehehe....
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