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ak4ng wrote:kl sy perhatikan koq output mesin OHV per liternya dikit amat ya???
chevy suburban vortec 5.3L v8 320 hp 60,4 hp/L
chevy suburban vortec 6.0L v8 352 hp 58,7 hp/L
Setau ane sih, efisiensi output itu engga dibandingin dengan cc nya kang, tapi dibandingkan dengan BOBOT kendaraan.

Taruh misal, Habanja output 97 dk, berat 1040kg. Artinya, tiap 1 DK, untuk menarik beban 10 kg.

Begitu kira2 yg pernah ane baca..

Jadi, untuk contoh Chevy diatas, silakan cari berapa berat kosong kendaraan, dibagi dengan output daya kuda nya.

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untuk mengetahui performa mesin, rumus paling sederhana memang HP/L, tapi rumus yang lebih tepat itu BMEP...
yang gak ada rumusnya itu output vs durability atau output vs responsiveness....rata2 cuma diambil trendnya aja.
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kalo soal daya tahan/ ke awetan dan ke iritan mana yg lebih baik dari tipe2 mesin tsb, di urutkan yg paling awet dan irit, mohon infonya ( DOHC -SOHC-OHV- OHC) ?
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jalu wrote:untuk mengetahui performa mesin, rumus paling sederhana memang HP/L, tapi rumus yang lebih tepat itu BMEP...
yang gak ada rumusnya itu output vs durability atau output vs responsiveness....rata2 cuma diambil trendnya aja.
yg termasuk efisien brp hp/L??
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ak4ng wrote:
jalu wrote:untuk mengetahui performa mesin, rumus paling sederhana memang HP/L, tapi rumus yang lebih tepat itu BMEP...
yang gak ada rumusnya itu output vs durability atau output vs responsiveness....rata2 cuma diambil trendnya aja.
yg termasuk efisien brp hp/L??
gugel aja....
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jalu wrote:
ak4ng wrote:
jalu wrote:untuk mengetahui performa mesin, rumus paling sederhana memang HP/L, tapi rumus yang lebih tepat itu BMEP...
yang gak ada rumusnya itu output vs durability atau output vs responsiveness....rata2 cuma diambil trendnya aja.
yg termasuk efisien brp hp/L??
gugel aja....
gugel itu brp hp???













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Hansen wrote:
gugel itu brp hp???













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hmmm.... mungkin sudah tipikalnya kurang output kali ya.....
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@hansen: :big_weee: :big_weee:
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maskopat wrote:200+ HP/L
berarti SL ente harusnya 200 x 1.6 = 320 hp........ ampunnnnn..... :frm_salut:
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Torsinya yg berlimpah ruah. Horsepower tinggal naikin rpm/redline.

Hari Sabtu kemaren ngambil Corvette di Cincinnati (sekitar 2 jam dari tempat gw di Columbus). Pake Silverado narik trailer (beratnya 2000 lbs kosong, sekitar 900 kg). Angin kenceng (sekitar 40-60 kpj) dan dari depan, jadi pake gigi 3 krn transmisinya jadi hunting (4-3-4-3-4-). Sekitar 3000 rpm lari kira~ 120 kpj.

Balik ke Columbus, anginnya dari belakang ngebantu sedikit. Transmisi mau ajek di gigi 4 (ganti ke gigi 3 kira2 4-5x sepanjang 2 jam perjalanan) dengan beban kira2 5.000 lbs (2,3 ton). Gigi 4, kecepatan 115 kpj, ~2.000 rpm. Kalau dihitung berat total sekitar 11.000 lbs (5 ton) utk truk, trailer, Corvette, dan supir/penumpang. Santai krn torsi gede :)

Terus hari Minggunya autocross. Tambah beban lagi di bak. Empat ban/velg plus floor jack plus tetek bengek (tenda, helem, kursi, toolbox, bensin ekstra ~55-57 liter, etc.). Tebakan gw sekitar 11.500 lbs (5,3 ton). Gw mikir2, di sini baru keliatan/kerasa yg namanya torsi. Kecepatan 115 kpj dan mesin santai di 2.000 rpm. Mesin tidak kerasa ngoyo, suhu air radiator normal, transmisi ok2 saja, dan suspensi belakang masih ngayun (masih jauh dari bumpstop).

Horsepower per liter sih kecil karena 5.3l V8 gw cuma mampu 285 hp (53.8 hp/l) tapi torsinya yg menang (305 lb-ft kalo gak salah). Kuncinya di torsi kalo mau mesin yg "santai" (istilahnya "big, lazy V8") jadi kalo dibawa luar kota/kecepatan tinggi mesinnya tidak "kemrungsung" alias bising alias rpm rendah.

Yg lebih gila Corvette Z06. Waktu kecepatan 100 kpj, rpm-nya cuma 1.400 ...
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hooo.... berarti mmg big and lazy ya.... om PV... di sono laris ya mobil ginian??
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ak4ng wrote:hooo.... berarti mmg big and lazy ya.... om PV... di sono laris ya mobil ginian??
Ente ini ngeh ngga sihh?? Big and lazy disitu maksudnya, kecepatan 100kpj aja rpm baru 1400, coy!Elu bisa ngebayang ga, brapa tuh speed kalo rpmnya 2000?Habanja ente 160kpj, rpm udh tereak berapa??Kalo american cars, mungkin baru 2500-an!
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VanzMatic wrote:
ak4ng wrote:hooo.... berarti mmg big and lazy ya.... om PV... di sono laris ya mobil ginian??
Ente ini ngeh ngga sihh?? Big and lazy disitu maksudnya, kecepatan 100kpj aja rpm baru 1400, coy!Elu bisa ngebayang ga, brapa tuh speed kalo rpmnya 2000?Habanja ente 160kpj, rpm udh tereak berapa??Kalo american cars, mungkin baru 2500-an!
sy kira big (displacement+body) and lazy (low output)................................ :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: mesin2 vortec kan dipakein ke mobil2 yg segede ajubile.........
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POS VETT wrote:Torsinya yg berlimpah ruah. Horsepower tinggal naikin rpm/redline.

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Horsepower per liter sih kecil karena 5.3l V8 gw cuma mampu 285 hp (53.8 hp/l) tapi torsinya yg menang (305 lb-ft kalo gak salah). Kuncinya di torsi kalo mau mesin yg "santai" (istilahnya "big, lazy V8") jadi kalo dibawa luar kota/kecepatan tinggi mesinnya tidak "kemrungsung" alias bising alias rpm rendah.

Yg lebih gila Corvette Z06. Waktu kecepatan 100 kpj, rpm-nya cuma 1.400 ...
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Big = displacement
Lazy = torsi gede di rpm rendah dan redline yg relatif rendah

Walaupun mobil2 bermesin V8 sudah agak berkurang popularitasnya tapi masih banyak pilihannya. Kalau beli truk dan SUV yg full-size kebanyakan V8 mesinnya dan mesin2 V8 jaman sekarang, walaupun dengan OHV 2-valve, torsinya gede2 dan lumayan irit karena rpm-nya rendah waktu kecepatan tinggi di highways/freeways.

Waktu tahun lalu pulang ke Indo dipinjemin Luxio. Walah, waktu lari 100 kpj itu yg namanya mesin meraung-raung, sekitar 4500 rpm kalo gak salah. Akselerasi dari 100 ke 130 butuh ber-menit2. Dari situ gw berpikir mestinya gw gak ngeluh kalo Silverado gw dgn 5.3l V8 bisa akselerasi ke 100 kpj dgn mudahnya (~8 detik), apalagi kalo kosong. Kayaknya berani deh balapan dgn Luxio kosong 0-100 pake Silverado sambil narik trailer dan Corvette :)

Kalo soal tahan yg mana, dari OHV atau OHC, susah juga ngomongnya. RPM rendah biasanya ke arah lebih awet tapi tergantung juga desain onderdilnya mau berapa lama umurnya. Ini juga terkait dengan masalah biaya.
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tp ane demen koq v8 3UZ TLC and sequoia............. heheheee..... om PV corvette nya bawa donk k sini.....
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ak4ng wrote:tp ane demen koq v8 3UZ TLC and sequoia............. heheheee..... om PV corvette nya bawa donk k sini.....
Situ yang cukongin deh.
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om PV... ngemeng2 ttg luxio and corvette..... corvette tu 1.5L bkn??
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henz155 wrote:I love american muscle.shelby GT500 eleanor.
Samaaaaaaaaa....

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GT500 emang keren sih, tapi at the end of the day, it's just a mustang :mrgreen:
Yg paling bikin ane senyum2 sendiri dijalan kalo pas lagi liat "kedipan" lampu sen nya mustang baru, WT banget dah..... :mrgreen:

Kalo punya duit segitu sih (50k) mending ambil corvette grandsport deh...
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ak4ng wrote:om PV... ngemeng2 ttg luxio and corvette..... corvette tu 1.5L bkn??
Kalo Corvette cuma 1.0L ...
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nasywa azalia wrote:kalo soal daya tahan/ ke awetan dan ke iritan mana yg lebih baik dari tipe2 mesin tsb, di urutkan yg paling awet dan irit, mohon infonya ( DOHC -SOHC-OHV- OHC) ?
Soal daya tahan dan keawetan tergantung desainnya. termasuk desain yaitu dimensi dan material, jadi sulit menentukan mana yang paling reliable hanya dari parameter jenis engine.

mengenai keiritan, teorinya sederhana,
1. makin bagus Efisiensi volumetrik, makin irit.
2. makin bagus efisiensi mekanis, makin irit.
3. makin bagus efisiensi thermal, makin irit.
4. dan lain2 (seperti cd (coefficient of drag / hambatan angin), dll, namun yang dibahas kan bukan kendaraan tapi enginnya, jd gk dibahas.

nah, ini juga bervariasi tergantung desain engine. Namun secara umum, jika menggunakan teknologi yang sama (boreXstroke sama, trus sama2 pakai katup konvensional atau variabel, dll), dengan kapasitas mesin yang sama, dan range rpm seperti umumnya mobil2 1300 - 2000 cc, maka:

yang paling irit adalah SOHC - DOHC - OHV

SOHC memiliki desain lebih kompak dan sederhana dari DOHC sehingga efisiensi mekanis lebih tinggi, menutupi kekurangan efisiensi volumetrik. karakter tenaga rpm bawah menengah.

DOHC lebih cenderung boros karena karakter tenaga di rpm yang lebih tinggi (dengan bore yang sama, luas inlet/outlet bisa lebih besar dari SOHC), karakter tenaga menengah ke atas.

sementara OHV meskipun kompak, malah lebih kompak dari SOHC, namun efisiensi mekanisnya kurang bagus, dikarenakan komponen yang bergerak lebih berat, sehingga harus memakai pegas katup yang lebih keras untuk mengatasinya, mengurangi tenaga mesin.
selain itu, dengan OHV, penempatan katup yang bagus akan sulit tercapai, sehingga bentuk ruang bakar kurang bagus, mengakibatkan efisiensi volumetrik paling rendah (luas inlet/outlet kurang dibanding SOHC dan DOHC, dan swirl kurang bagus), dan efisiensi thermal lebih rendah. bisa dibuat seperti sohc atau dohc, namun mesin tidak lagi kompak, terlalu berat komponen yang digerakkan yang mengakibatkan penurunan efisiensi mekanis.

OHC, itu sebenarnya tipe mesin dengan camshaft di kepala silinder (diatas piston), jadi SOHC maupun DOHC adalah OHC. Namun, pada masa awal penyebutannya, OHC identik dengan SOHC. Sementara DOHC jarang disebut OHC meski sebenarnya OHC.
DOHC ada yang menyebut twincam, tergantung desain dan penamaan juga.

Berbeda lagi pada mesin2 cc besar khusus rpm rendah, atau mesin kecil rpm tinggi. setiap desain (SOHC, DOHC, OHV) memiliki kelebihan masing2.
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Maap kalo sounds rada oon ni Q nya OB:

Ada gak y mesin mobil produksi massal/terbatas yang valve trainnya pake ala Ducati Desmodromic gitu? Means gak pake pegas pada unit klepnya? Thanx mastah2....

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