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tanpa kata2 manis deh ya. lsg aja biar foto yg bicara.

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di sebagian pabrikan, ada tertera officially spt dlm foto tsb.
itu di dipstick.
cm masalahnya, ada kontradiksi2:
- di buku perawatan berkala, yg notabene mmg cm samapai 100rb km sih, tertulis pemeriksaan utk item tsb per 40rb km, dan Ganti pada 100rb km.
- sy pernah ngobrol dg mantan mekanik beres (pabrikan lain) yg skrg buka bengkel sndiri, sy tanya brp km ganti ATF? dia bilang "lifetime mas! jd klo gak ada gejala gak enak, gak perlu ganti."
- pernah ada karib ane, nanya ke ahli nya metik yg terkenal sejakarta raya, ricardo. katanya 120rb km hrs ganti.

jd, mohon diterangkan, alasan kenapa ATF lifetime yg tertera scara resmi tsb tidak mungkin?
mohon alasan yg mengena ya.
alasan2 tsb perlu yg cukup kuat, krn tentu saja itu berseberangan dg pendapat resmi pabrikan.
jd mohon bukan analogi.




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gak percaya soalnya ane punya c180 2003 mau ganti oli atf selalu dibilang lifetime waranty, terus di tahun 2011 km 80 ribu, bodyvalve nya kena, ternyata olinya dah encer banget, akhirnya overhaul ganti bodyvalve copotan, terus dijual deh
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pernah tanya hal yg sama juga di beres toyota, kata SAnya kalo sampai ada apa2 toyota akan tanggung jawab. karena kita udh ngikutin buku manual..

so far sih KM blm 100rb jd ya ngikut aja deh, kalo ada apa2 kan tinggal ajak ribut minta pertanggung jawaban :mrgreen:
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icic.... :thanks:

mohon tanya om....kan ada jg tu kontradiksi. di stiker bhs inggris nya, spt di foto tsb, ditulis: No need to replace ATF....tp di buku perawatan berbahasa indonesia, ditulis: G di kolom 100rb km utk item tsb.
maksudnya, terlepas dr kebiasaan rekan2 dlm ganti ATF di km brp, tp yg sebenarnya kan ATF type tsb di transmisi tsb tu scara resmi (oleh pabrikan jepang atau thailand ?...demikian jg bbrp pabrikan jerman) dibilang tdk perlu diganti selama kondisi menjalankannya normal. ini pada setuju/percaya atau tidak?

lalu, pertanyaan lainnya adlh: apa yg membuat ATPM indonesia "menurunkan standard"-nya itu ya, mereka nyatakan bukan lifetime lg spt pabrikan pusatnya, tp perlu ganti di 100rb km?
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saya bertanya di bmw oli transmisi setiap 60rb kuras total..nah kalo merci tiap 40rb cuma dibuang yg dibawah/karter jadi cuma tambahin krn kebuang setengah..saya jd bingung mana metode yang benar...di merci mereka bersikeras metode seperti itu..krn ktnya oli lifetime..pdhl saya minta kuras semua spy benar2 baru..

nah soal lifetime mereka(bmw n merci) bilang katanya usia mobil disana rata2 5 tahun dipakainya n tidak macet jadi bisa 100rb km..beda dgn sini..
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Tranny??? Waduohhh itu kan istilah saru mbaaah...apalagi pas banget ama ada tulisan cacing tempat banyak tranny tranny???
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info yg berguna. :thanks:

kompresorz wrote: nah soal lifetime mereka(bmw n merci) bilang katanya usia mobil disana rata2 5 tahun dipakainya n tidak macet jadi bisa 100rb km..beda dgn sini..
icic.. jd bisakah diartikan bhw lifetime dlm stdar disana tu artinya sekitaran 5 th tsb kali ya?
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VanzMatic wrote:Tranny??? Waduohhh itu kan istilah saru mbaaah...apalagi pas banget ama ada tulisan cacing tempat banyak tranny tranny???
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ho? saru ya?....wkwkwk...ya maap klo ada istilah slang yg ternyata menunjuknya ke yg saru2...ane kan orgnya jauh2 dari hal2 saru ki, jd ya mana tau.... :big_blushing:
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andy1800 wrote:
VanzMatic wrote:Tranny??? Waduohhh itu kan istilah saru mbaaah...apalagi pas banget ama ada tulisan cacing tempat banyak tranny tranny???
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ho? saru ya?....wkwkwk...ya maap klo ada istilah slang yg ternyata menunjuknya ke yg saru2...ane kan orgnya jauh2 dari hal2 saru ki, jd ya mana tau.... :big_blushing:
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andy1800 wrote:info yg berguna. :thanks:

kompresorz wrote: nah soal lifetime mereka(bmw n merci) bilang katanya usia mobil disana rata2 5 tahun dipakainya n tidak macet jadi bisa 100rb km..beda dgn sini..
icic.. jd bisakah diartikan bhw lifetime dlm stdar disana tu artinya sekitaran 5 th tsb kali ya?
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Dulu pernah pake yaris s at 06, gk pernah ganti oli atf nya. Suatu kali geber2an sama livina temen di pik, di mulailah start dari L, 2, 3, dan d. Slsai nya gk berasa apa2.. pulang. Bsk paginya nyalain mobil, nyetir biasa.. tiap di taro di gear d dan injek rem (mobil stop), geternya jauh lbh parah drpd panther. Apalagi pas ac nya nyala. Tp anehnya, cuma terjadi kalo udh nyetir jauh.

Ke a2k pluit, gk ketemu penyebabnya. Pertama bebersih throttle body krn emg kotor. Gk beres. Trs bebersih kerak premium, gk beres jg. Trs trkr katanya kmgknan engine mounting, tp gk brn jamin akhirnya gk gnti engine mounting. Kuras olimatic smua dan ganti baru jg gk efek. Akhirnya dijual deh.. kalo saya sih pcy ini krn gk prnh gnti oli matic ya. Odo trkhr pas kejadian di 80ribuan brp gt.. lupa saya pastinya.
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twa wrote:pernah tanya hal yg sama juga di beres toyota, kata SAnya kalo sampai ada apa2 toyota akan tanggung jawab. karena kita udh ngikutin buku manual..

so far sih KM blm 100rb jd ya ngikut aja deh, kalo ada apa2 kan tinggal ajak ribut minta pertanggung jawaban :mrgreen:
D4 D AT ane dulu pertama kali buang oli ATF bawaan pabrik di sekitar KM 21 - 25 rb dan warnanya udah merah tua kayak darah mati

Ada teman pakai 42ner AT ganti ATF bawaan pabrik di KM 10 rb sekian, ganti ke ATF Full Synth merek Eropa (comply ke JWS 3309) report shifting lgs jauh lebih enak.

ATF genuine T-4 dihajar sampe 80 rb Km apa rasanya ya....wong ane pake Amsoil Full Synth ATF (comply ke JWS 3309) di KM 60 rb sekian aja kerasa "gigitan" Torque Converternya udah mulai kendor, kalo di gas mendadak RPM naik cepet dan speedo naik belakangan........

Mungkin kalo mobilnya dlm 2 tahun jalan 80 rb Km ya ATF genuine T-4 bisa pake sampe 80 rb Km.....asal tahan aja shiftingnya jadi kasar dan Torque Conv nya jadi lebih selip.......alhasil BBM bisa lebih boros
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IMHO:
Kalau sy sih nggak suka mobil2 yg gak ada dipstick ATF nya.....

ATF ATF yg dikatakan permanent filled / gak perlu ganti dalam periode amat sgt panjang.........kalo saya pribadi mengartikan sebuah pesan tersembunyi : "Kalo sudah 5 tahun juallah mobil anda dan ganti yg baru".......itulah yg diharapkan pabrikan.
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Om turbo, atf t4 itu bawaannya yaris? Oh ya, rute saya sll pp pluit priuk tiap hari 60km rata2 dan ditmbh weekens suka keluar kota. Waktu saya bawa sih bnr gk ad rasa apa2 gk diganti2 jg. Eh tau2 pas dibawa narik2an itu deh lsg.... JEBRETTT JEGERRRR.. kena lsg geterisasi ala panther.

Enw liat dr pengalaman kmrn yaris itu maka kmrn oli atf mazda2 saya ganti di beres di km50rban stlh 2th pake. Dan emang shifting terasa sangat smooth divanding sblmnya..
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sebenernya toh gak ada salah juga si produsen... kan life time... emang tahan sampai usia "hidup" di si oli... kalo olinya udah "mati" yaaaa..... gitu deh... :upss:
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gw ikut kata ricardo aja deh pak'e... secara jeroan bakal pake transpath jualan dia smua....

Intinya, sebaiknya sih tiap 40rb KM aja kuras, sekalian "servis besar",,,, drpd jebol... 13 juta bok...13 juta.. :frm_bang_head:
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O iya Dat...icic.
ane sempat salah simak...kirain tdnya ricardo bilangnya kuras per 120rb km...ternyata itu usia rata2 set kanvas koplingnya ya....sdgkan anjuran kurasnya per 40rb km ya...

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nah iya, kata bang ricky, kalo gak pernah kuras, umur overhaul itu 120rb KM.. kalo lebih itu udah bonus............ kalo rutin kuras ya gak ada patokan... tp hampir semua mobil yang rutin kuras tahan lebih dr 200rb KM... apalagi yang badak2 macem boyota-ahond-dai (non CVT ya)
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ane habis ganti atf gnki diesel a/t di km 20 ribu pake redline d4 atf kuras mesin abis 8 liter, berasa sekali pergantian giginya halus sekali
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Turboman wrote:
twa wrote:pernah tanya hal yg sama juga di beres toyota, kata SAnya kalo sampai ada apa2 toyota akan tanggung jawab. karena kita udh ngikutin buku manual..

so far sih KM blm 100rb jd ya ngikut aja deh, kalo ada apa2 kan tinggal ajak ribut minta pertanggung jawaban :mrgreen:
D4 D AT ane dulu pertama kali buang oli ATF bawaan pabrik di sekitar KM 21 - 25 rb dan warnanya udah merah tua kayak darah mati

Ada teman pakai 42ner AT ganti ATF bawaan pabrik di KM 10 rb sekian, ganti ke ATF Full Synth merek Eropa (comply ke JWS 3309) report shifting lgs jauh lebih enak.

ATF genuine T-4 dihajar sampe 80 rb Km apa rasanya ya....wong ane pake Amsoil Full Synth ATF (comply ke JWS 3309) di KM 60 rb sekian aja kerasa "gigitan" Torque Converternya udah mulai kendor, kalo di gas mendadak RPM naik cepet dan speedo naik belakangan........

Mungkin kalo mobilnya dlm 2 tahun jalan 80 rb Km ya ATF genuine T-4 bisa pake sampe 80 rb Km.....asal tahan aja shiftingnya jadi kasar dan Torque Conv nya jadi lebih selip.......alhasil BBM bisa lebih boros
Turboman wrote:IMHO:
Kalau sy sih nggak suka mobil2 yg gak ada dipstick ATF nya.....

ATF ATF yg dikatakan permanent filled / gak perlu ganti dalam periode amat sgt panjang.........kalo saya pribadi mengartikan sebuah pesan tersembunyi : "Kalo sudah 5 tahun juallah mobil anda dan ganti yg baru".......itulah yg diharapkan pabrikan.
Mantapp....thanks for sharing pengetahuannya :thanks:
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datsu wrote:nah iya, kata bang ricky, kalo gak pernah kuras, umur overhaul itu 120rb KM.. kalo lebih itu udah bonus............ kalo rutin kuras ya gak ada patokan... tp hampir semua mobil yang rutin kuras tahan lebih dr 200rb KM... apalagi yang badak2 macem boyota-ahond-dai (non CVT ya)
Ic...dan standar pengurasan yg menurutnya benar adlh termasuk/sampai buka dan bersihin bodyvalve ya, datsu?
Klo cm disedot total, itu tanggung katanya ya...


htannis wrote:ane habis ganti atf gnki diesel a/t di km 20 ribu pake redline d4 atf kuras mesin abis 8 liter, berasa sekali pergantian giginya halus sekali
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datsu wrote:nah iya, kata bang ricky, kalo gak pernah kuras, umur overhaul itu 120rb KM.. kalo lebih itu udah bonus............ kalo rutin kuras ya gak ada patokan... tp hampir semua mobil yang rutin kuras tahan lebih dr 200rb KM... apalagi yang badak2 macem boyota-ahond-dai (non CVT ya)
Ic...dan standar pengurasan yg menurutnya benar adlh termasuk/sampai buka dan bersihin bodyvalve ya, datsu?
Klo cm disedot total, itu tanggung katanya ya...


htannis wrote:ane habis ganti atf gnki diesel a/t di km 20 ribu pake redline d4 atf kuras mesin abis 8 liter, berasa sekali pergantian giginya halus sekali
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