Benarkah depresiasi semua mobil semakin tajam ?

[MonSTER_GTR]

Hilux d top gear hhe dari ditabrakan dicebur dibakar dilelepin dijatohin dri lt 23 tp ttep aj jalan

[ricz]

Toyota gitu loh..
THE BEST AUTOMAKER IN THE WORLD

[MonSTER_GTR]

Hhe the best sh subjektif sih ya tapi kalo reliable yes

[madcat015]

Tapi MANA ADA MOBIL REWEL / sering rusak yang resale valuenya KUAT ?

jd inget batu makam GL..

Galauers detected...


Ane bener2 salut sama Hilux...

Dibakar...



Direndem...



Dijatuhin karavan



Diparkir di atap gedung yang dirobohkan



Dan masih bisa idup...



Dibawa ke kutub



Atau gunung berapi...


Hilux will say: "Bring it on, baby!"

[DOHC]

* ambil hape... kontek cece nya madcat.... laporin madcat yg jualan merek selaen hando mulu...

[ricz]

Oh ya.... Jadi kapal jg bisa Hilux ini...




HyunKia bisa kagak???

[madcat015]

* ambil hape... kontek cece nya madcat.... laporin madcat yg jualan merek selaen hando mulu...

Sesi cuci otak nya masih kurang mantab...

*bilang sama ce2 ane jualan H... Hilux!*

Oh ya.... Jadi kapal jg bisa Hilux ini...




HyunKia bisa kagak???

Hyuna bisa diajak ke kapal ane...

Eh, tapi itu Hilux mesinnya Honda lho...

[ricz]

Si Hyuna gitu2 dh pake Toyota loh...




Maka tunggangan yg paling pas adlh....








Habanja.

[madcat015]

Buset... Ukuran gambar 1 Mb...

BWK beneran...

tapi... Hyuna.... hai nonik...

[imsus2c]

Oh ya.... Jadi kapal jg bisa Hilux ini...




HyunKia bisa kagak???

Bisa dong...


Malah bisa buat angkat-angkat dan ganjal kontainer

[mr_mytplx]

Wah om rv banyak penggemarnya y..begitu nongol langsung lari 2 halaman tritnya..

[ricz]

Oh ya.... Jadi kapal jg bisa Hilux ini...




HyunKia bisa kagak???

Bisa dong...


Malah bisa buat angkat-angkat dan ganjal kontainer

Fanboy hyundai telah bersabda....


woiiii mod tuh kapal hyundai gk masuk itungannnn.......

[Resale Value]

20 tahun lalu sih mungkin, tapi sekarang toyota reliable ? Jangan bikin gue tertawa . Baca deh, belum lama toyota recall lagi, jumlahnya banyak dan bukan masalah kecil :


Toyota recalls 2.8m cars over steering and water pump faults (Nov 2012)


http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... ing-faults


Bagian penting :


Toyota's recall problems have struck again after the Japanese car maker called back 2.8m cars to fix faulty steering columns and water pumps , just a month after raising the alarm over more than 7m vehicles with faulty window switches.


the latest embarrassment affected nine models globally, including the Avensis, Corolla and Prius. About 75,000 cars will be recalled in the UK, 496,000 across Europe, 670,000 in the United States and 1.5m in Japan.


Toyota said it had not received any reports of crashes or injuries resulting from the faults. It said the steering problem was caused by "insufficient hardness" of the steering shaft, which could be damaged if the wheel is turned forcefully at slow speed, affecting control of the car in extreme cases.


The company said some of its Prius models also had a fault with a water pump in the cooling system, which could blow a fuse in the electricity power circuit and stall the vehicle.


Toyota drivers are being directed to the company's website where they can enter their registration number to learn if their car is affected. It will also contact the owners of all affected vehicles within six weeks to advise them to take their car to the nearest Toyota dealer. It said most problems could be fixed within an hour and a half.


Toyota had been trying to improve its reputation after a series of recalls of 14 million vehicles over the past few years


Just last month it recalled 7.4m cars after discovering faulty window switches in 12 models – the biggest single recall since Ford took 8m vehicles off the road in 1996.


Analysts said they did not expect the latest recall to cause substantial damage to the Toyota brand, if only because it still pales in comparison with the impact of the recall crisis in 2009 and 2010, when more than 12m Toyota cars and trucks were affected by problems including faulty accelerator pedals. It led to Toyota's chief executive, Akio Toyoda, testifying before Congress and saying that he was "deeply sorry" for his company's handling of the furore.

Hhe the best sh subjektif sih ya tapi kalo reliable yes

[artoodetoo]

Om RV, sana masuk ruang perawatan lagi.
Yg namanya reliable itu ya tetap perlu perbaikan. Masalahnya adalah, habis diperbaiki bisa OK lagi atau kagak.
Coba tanya yg punya mobil sudah puluhan tahun, tanya apakah belum pernah masuk bengkel sekalipun yg diluar service rutin. Rasanya kok impossible

[Resale Value]

Coba, baca lagi deh berita tambahan di bawah, ngak ada kaitannya ama perbaikan. Sudah cacat sejak lahir :


http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/ci. ... ions.print


Jangan bilang mobil keluaran toyota belakangan banyak masalah, sering recall besar besaran, ternyata model lama juga ngak reliable, sudah cacat sejak lahir, contoh kasus tahun 2005, termasuk hilux yang di banggakan ama berapa member SM sebelumnya :


http://www.nhtsa.gov/PR/DOT-94-10/


NHTSA Opens Investigation into Timeliness of 2005 Toyota Steering Relay Rod Recall


WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) today opened an investigation into whether, in 2005, Toyota Motor Corporation notified the agency of a steering relay rod safety defect within five business days of learning of the defect’s existence, as is required by law.


In 2004, Toyota conducted a recall in Japan for Hilux trucks with steering relay rods prone to fatiguing, cracking and possibly breaking, causing the vehicle to lose steering control. At that time, Toyota informed NHTSA that the safety defect was isolated to vehicles in Japan and that the company had not received similar field information within the United States.


In 2005, however, Toyota informed NHTSA that the steering relay rod defect was present in several models sold in the U.S. and conducted a recall.


This past Friday afternoon, NHTSA was alerted to a number of complaints filed with Toyota by U.S. consumers prior to the 2004 Hilux recall in Japan. As a result, NHTSA has decided to open an investigation into whether Toyota met its legal obligation to conduct a timely recall of vehicles with the defect in the United States.


“Safety is our number one priority and we take our responsibility to protect U.S. consumers seriously,” said U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. “With new assurances from Toyota about their efforts to improve safety, I hope for their cooperation in getting to the bottom of what happened.”


NHTSA Administrator David Strickland said, “NHTSA has taken swift action since first receiving copies of these complaints on Friday. Our team is now working to obtain documents and information from Toyota to find out whether the manufacturer notified NHTSA within five business days of discovering a safety defect in U.S. vehicles.”


Jadi kasus hilux ini ngak cuman steering relay rodnya rentan retak dan pecah, tapi ternyata toyota bohong. Bilangnya cuman ada kasus di jepang, toh akhirnya terpaksa recall juga di US setelah pemerintahnya intervensi.

Om RV, sana masuk ruang perawatan lagi.
Yg namanya reliable itu ya tetap perlu perbaikan. Masalahnya adalah, habis diperbaiki bisa OK lagi atau kagak.
Coba tanya yg punya mobil sudah puluhan tahun, tanya apakah belum pernah masuk bengkel sekalipun yg diluar service rutin. Rasanya kok impossible

[ricz]

Wah, wah....


Kalo toyota gk reliable om gue gk bakal jual LC 100 taon 2000 py dia buat diganti LC 200 taon 2012 lhoo...


Dan, asal tau saja, 4 dari 5 mobil py dia semuanya Toyota, terdiri dari LC 200 2012, Prado 150 2010, Ipah G AT diesel 2009 dan GNKI G Diesel MT 2011..

Dan dia gk bakal pilih Toyota sbg mbl pribadinya dia kalo gk reliable...

[madcat015]

Harus nya sudah diketahui kalo manufaktur mobil masih memakai third party supplier utk pritilan2 spt power window, power steering, radiator, pipa2, dll. Ga melulu ATPM yg buat hingga sampe sekring dan baut...

Mass production pasti punya resiko tersendiri utk defect, dan itu yg harus di cari tau, kenapa? Biasanya sih 3rd party supplier yg ngaco.

Nah, tapi bukan berarti custom atau hand made car juga lebih baik. Namanya kendaraan, ribuan komponen bekerja bersamaan. Selalu ada resiko utk fault.

Kl takut recall, pake sepeda pancal aja. Hemat, sehat, ib style...

@bro ricz: pabrik temen ane pake RX350 2 unit, Alphard V 3 unit(sisanya mobil Jerman semua). sisa mobil operasional Habanjah dan Ipah yg jumlah nya puluhan. Very reliable sih, soalnya tuh ipah sama habanjah sering dioprek kelistrikannya utk tes audio module terbaru.

[Resale Value]

Nih kasus hilux sempat ramai juga di Australia, ngak cuman Jepang, Amrik, Eropa dll :


http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1472852


Ada member forum di Aussie yang mirip SM di atas yang pasang foto hilux dia steering rodnya patah juga sebelum di recall, dan ngak bakal di recall karena dia beli dari importir umum, dan toyota aussie ngak mau tanggung jawab karena di beli lewat importir umum :


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3228/p1020005t.jpg


Foto steering rod hilux patah :


http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8387/p1020002f.jpg


http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3302/p1020003af.jpg

[ricz]

Harus nya sudah diketahui kalo manufaktur mobil masih memakai third party supplier utk pritilan2 spt power window, power steering, radiator, pipa2, dll. Ga melulu ATPM yg buat hingga sampe sekring dan baut...

Mass production pasti punya resiko tersendiri utk defect, dan itu yg harus di cari tau, kenapa? Biasanya sih 3rd party supplier yg ngaco.

Nah, tapi bukan berarti custom atau hand made car juga lebih baik. Namanya kendaraan, ribuan komponen bekerja bersamaan. Selalu ada resiko utk fault.

Kl takut recall, pake sepeda pancal aja. Hemat, sehat, ib style...

@bro ricz: pabrik temen ane pake RX350 2 unit, Alphard V 3 unit(sisanya mobil Jerman semua). sisa mobil operasional Habanjah dan Ipah yg jumlah nya puluhan. Very reliable sih, soalnya tuh ipah sama habanjah sering dioprek kelistrikannya utk tes audio module terbaru.

Belum gw ceritain lg, Ipah tmn bokap dan Tokisul tante gw yg udh jalan hampir 400 ribu KM dan masi survive ampe skrg...

[walid_007]

Wah, wah....


Kalo toyota gk reliable om gue gk bakal jual LC 100 taon 2000 py dia buat diganti LC 200 taon 2012 lhoo...


Dan, asal tau saja, 4 dari 5 mobil py dia semuanya Toyota, terdiri dari LC 200 2012, Prado 150 2010, Ipah G AT diesel 2009 dan GNKI G Diesel MT 2011..

Dan dia gk bakal pilih Toyota sbg mbl pribadinya dia kalo gk reliable...

betul banget omm ommm

semua mobil babe ane toyota
punya mobil kijang kapsul aja dulu sampe 4,,,sekarang tinggal 2
innoova
camry xv 30 dan 40

dulu juga pernah miara w210 avg (udah lepas) namun servisnya kudu ke smg dulu, harga jual jeblokk,,,avg interiornya all digital pake sR,,tapi sering problem,,,kalo di panasin plasrik2 nya sampe agak leleh
kaca belakang turun ndiri gak bisa naik,,,,railnya kena

jauh lebih "enak kemri" (free maintenance)
klo gwe bawa gwe cekokin premium...klo d merc ngelitik knalpotnya


jadi bisa GWE BILANG KALO TOYOTA PALING KUAT,GA REWEL,


dari kesemua mobil toyota gwe punya ,,,gak ada rewel yang berarti di umur 0-5 tahun bisa gwe bilang freee problem ,,,lebih dari itu tergantung orgnye

[ilhami]

bus mercy PPD terbukti awet banget,di banding busway bbg daewoo.
mobil awet atau nggak tergantung perawatan juga.

[ricz]

bus mercy PPD terbukti awet banget,di banding busway bbg daewoo.
mobil awet atau nggak tergantung perawatan juga.

Betul om..

Ipah tmn bokap tipe G bensin MT 2006, rute utama Denpasar - Gilimanuk, skrg odometer dh 300 ribuan, servis selalu Agung Denpasar, masi spt baru kenyamanannya...

[Resale Value]

Gara gara toyota permainkan / tunda recall, sampai nyawa konsumennya terancam, dan ada juga konsumennya yang sampai meninggal. Dan toyota, lagi, di denda :


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/au ... 4_CV_N.htm


Michael "Levi" Stewart was killed Sept. 15, 2007 when his 1991 Toyota compact pickup veered off the road at night about 1 mile from Fairfield, Idaho.


Michael "Levi" Stewart was 18 at the time of his death in a fatal crash.


By James R. Healey, USA TODAY



Toyota paid a record fine recently for dragging its feet on disclosing a safety defect blamed for potentially fatal unintended acceleration. Now, documents have come to light in a California lawsuit that point to possible delays involving an earlier safety issue, one that could result in loss of steering control.



Records of Toyota warranty repairs and customer complaints that are part of the lawsuit show that the car company was dealing with cracking and breaking steering relay rods in the U.S. for at least 11 years before it recalled 330,000 pickups and SUVs in Japan to replace the rods — and 12 years before its 2005 recall of nearly a million similar trucks in the U.S. for the problem.



The steering rod records that are part of the lawsuit again call into question whether Toyota promptly reports safety problems in the U.S. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration earlier this year fined Toyota the maximum $16.4 million for delaying a recall of 2.3 million vehicles for gas pedals that could stick, causing unintended acceleration. An ongoing investigation is looking at whether Toyota improperly delayed a separate recall of 5.4 million vehicles for floor mats that could trap poorly designed gas pedals.



Now NHTSA — which accepted Toyota's assertion after the 2004 steering rod recall in Japan that U.S. action was not needed— has opened a probe demanding that Toyota explain why it waited nearly a year to recall the trucks in the U.S. to fix the rods. The 2005 U.S. recall covered 1989-1995 Toyota 4Runners, 1989-1995 compact pickups, and 1993-1998 T100s.


Federal law requires an automaker to report a known safety defect within five business days.


"There is a pattern of covering up defects at Toyota," asserts Clarence Ditlow, head of the Center for Auto Safety, a watchdog group often at odds with both automakers and NHTSA. "It looks to me like Toyota knew about" the relay rod problem long before the recalls, he says.



Because the documents are part of a lawsuit, Toyota declined to comment or to address why it told NHTSA in 2004 there wasn't a U.S. problem, even though Toyota had been fielding U.S. complaints for years and had been making warranty repairs for more than a decade.



"Toyota's long-standing policy is to not provide comment in regard to ongoing litigation," spokesman Brian Lyons says. He says Toyota is cooperating with NHTSA's demand that Toyota explain why it didn't recall U.S. vehicles sooner.



The steering relay rod links the front wheels to the steering system. If it breaks, the vehicle can't be steered.



"You might have a little control over one tire, but that other one is going to do what it wants," says Idaho State Police Capt. Brian Zimmerman.



Idaho State Police investigated a fatal crash Sept. 15, 2007, near Fairfield, Idaho, of a 1991 Toyota compact pickup that was on the U.S. steering rod recall list. Driver Michael Levi Stewart, 18, was killed; three passengers were injured. None wore safety belts, Zimmerman says.



The Stewart family's lawsuit, filed in California state court by John Kristensen of the O'Reilly Collins firm in San Mateo, includes the Toyota-owner complaint and warranty information, obtained in discovery. Kristensen says Stewart got the truck in July 2007.



He says the previous owner testified he received no recall notice. The Stewart family got a notice three months after the crash. The lawsuit is scheduled for trial this fall.



A USA TODAY analysis of that complaint and warranty data shows at least 153 steering rod repairs to 4Runners and compact and T-100 pickups from 1993 to September 2005, when the vehicles were recalled in the U.S.



Two fatal crashes in addition to Stewart's are linked to Toyota relay rod failures, according to NHTSA. One happened before the recall.



The warranty records show that not only was the company replacing relay rods in U.S. trucks under warranty, but also doing so-called goodwill replacements, free repairs on vehicles on which the warranty has expired.



"It would seem unusual that warranty work would be conducted after the warranty period, unless it were a known fault. There's a certain admission of guilt if the work is repeatedly performed after the warranty period," says Jeff Bartlett, an editor at auto and consumer products tester Consumer Reports. "That would suggest they saw a trend, an emerging problem."



The steering problem apparently was well-known enough to Toyota dealers that at least once — in August 1995 — a dealer replaced the rod on a new pickup before it was sold, the warranty records show.


Not all customers equal


Complaint documents also show that Toyota didn't treat all customers equally.


Jack Anderson of Garland, Texas, recalls the relay rod snapping in 2000 on his 1989 compact pickup that was later on the recall list. "It could have been a wreck deluxe if I hadn't gotten off" the road.


He says Toyota refused to repay him for the repairs. He also says he never got a recall notice, even though his truck is covered.



In some other cases, however, the customer-complaint documents show, Toyota provided "goodwill" reimbursement for some or all of the costs.


The lawsuit documents include these examples of the warranty relay rod replacements for vehicles that were out of warranty:


•February 2002, before the Japan or U.S. recalls, on a 1998 T-100 pickup with 111,000 miles.

•February 2003, before the recalls, on a 1997 T-100 with 103,000 miles.

•January and February 2005, after the Japan recall but before the U.S. recall, on five 4Runners, ranging from a 1990 to a 1994, with mileage ranging from 109,000 to nearly 278,000 miles.


The complaints include comments from dealer technicians or service managers about the rods. Typical: "Weak metal stressed and cracked," says a note about a rod replacement in February 2006.


The recalls came after highly publicized crashes.


In Kumamoto, Japan, in 2004, steering failed on a vehicle similar to the U.S. 4Runner, causing a head-on crash that injured five and got considerable media attention. The relay rod recall in Japan followed.



In San Diego County, last August, a crash killed off-duty California Highway Patrol officer Mark Saylor and three family members after an improper floor mat jammed a Lexus gas pedal. Toyota announced a recall to fix mats and pedals in November.



•The U.S. recalls came months after foreign actions for the same problems.


In the steering rod case, Toyota recalled 330,000 vehicles in Japan in October 2004 and didn't recall 977,000 similar U.S. models until September 2005.



In the case of gas pedals that could cause unwanted acceleration, Toyota changed the design of gas-pedal assemblies in European-market vehicles in July 2009 but said it didn't suspect a problem with similar U.S. models. Jan. 21, Toyota recalled 2.3 million U.S. vehicles to replace the sticky pedals.



Kristensen, the lawyer in the Stewart suit against Toyota, calls that a pattern: "If they didn't change last time, why do you think they will this time?"

[artoodetoo]

Apapun itu, my next car will be a Toyota



Eh, Mitsubishi ding ...................

[ricz]

Udah pernah pake Toyota?