Mesin Diesel vs Mesin Bensin

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Mesin Diesel vs Mesin Bensin

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perbincangan klasik aah.
krn so far perbincangannya tersebar di byk trid.
diperbincangkan saja ala buku2 for dummies


karakteristik dan keunggulan masing2 tu apa saja. trutama kayaknya dr sisi karakteristik power n torque. bs juga nyerempet ke masalah kemudahan perawatan. dll.
klo dikemukakan perbandingan2, mohon yg sekelas ya.
*misalnya: mesinnya innova bensin dan diesel itu mestinya gak bs diperbandingkan head to head deh, secara cc nya jg dah terlalu beda. klo selisih 100-200 cc nampaknya bisa diperbandingkan ya?
lalu nyerempet teknikalnya, kenapa bisa ada keunggulan msg2 itu akibat dari apanya?



*ini trid terinspirasi jg dr tridnya maskopta knp diesel kecil gak ada metik
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Re: Mesin Diesel vs Mesin Bensin

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Terlalu luas

disempitin dulu ruang lingkupnya

Dieselnya mau yang :
- NA mekanikal ?
- Turbo mekanikal ?
- Turbo CRD ?

gasoline nya mau yg :
- NA karburator ?
- NA injeksi ?
- NA GDI ?
- Turbo EFI ?
- Turbo GDI ?

IMO :
Kalau berdasarkan difficulty level saya pribadi menempatkan :

Diesel turbo CRD VS Gasoline DI turbo

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waduh gini deh klo jd dummies... iya ya, terlalu luas ya...
ok deh mohon om turbo dan yg lain2 sbg yg paham utk mempersempitnya.. shg bisa dikemukakan secara for dummies.


nah iya, kayaknya krn memang yg umum tersedia sekarang2 ini adlh Diesel CRDI turbo, maka pembandingnya yg sekelas mestinya juga harus yg Bensin Turbo jg ya. nah, mohon dimulai saja dari itu.
klalau bensinnya yg turbo tp tidak direct injection, gak bisa dipandang sekelas kah? ...tp mmg akan menimbulkan dispute sih ya, klo bukan DI tp diperbandingkan jg.



klao mesin Captiva 2000cc // 160 HP @3800 rpm // 360 Nm @1750-2750 rpm ..... dengan mesin 328i 2000cc // 240 HP @6000 // 350 Nm @1250-4800...atau mesin C250 CGI 1800cc // 200 HP @5500 // 310 Nm @2000-4300 ....mereka itu bisa dianggap sekelas atau gak sih?




wah kok gak ada mesin jepangan turbo yg di mobil2 populer ya?
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CX-7 GT populer ga ya? Tuh mesin nya turbo... :mrgreen: barusan ktmu di jalan td...

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Klo untuk touring & mobil jenis SUV, jelas lelbih enak Diesel

Tapi klo untuk kebut2an push to the limit tetap gasoline lebih enak. Sensasi high rev dikala ngebut blm bisa didapat pada Diesel
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madcat015 wrote:CX-7 GT populer ga ya? Tuh mesin nya turbo... :mrgreen: barusan ktmu di jalan td...

Masih ngiler kl liat itu mobil... :e-wall:
Jandanya turun sekitar 150 jutaan..

Teman gue kemaren jual CX7 GT py dia kisaran 500 jutaan, belinya 650 juta taon 2011-2012 awal gue lupa..

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Jose wrote:Klo untuk touring & mobil jenis SUV, jelas lelbih enak Diesel

Tapi klo untuk kebut2an push to the limit tetap gasoline lebih enak. Sensasi high rev dikala ngebut blm bisa didapat pada Diesel
yup setuju banget,,, untuk driving anthusiast ,,, si bensin menang kemana-mana lah....karena bensin bisa dibejek sampe mentok dgn putaran ganas d 7000rpm gtu

klo disel sih stay calm aja (low rev)

itu sih ,,,namun klo bensin udah konf V ....udah lah ga bakal pengen ngerasain IL ato disel :big_slap:
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Soal mesin mah mau BBM nya apa ya kembali ke disain mesin itu se advanced apa dulu lah (IMO & CMIIW)

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Aaaaa gimana ya..hmmmm
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Gasoline DI dimana ide menyemprotkan BBM scr lgs ke ruang bakar itu mengambil ide dr mesin Diesel

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@om turbo: kayak konsep mesin nya Mercedes... Diesotto kalo ga ane ga salah ingat...

Katanya mengadopsi cara kerja mesin diesel utk bensin. Ga tau kabar nya bijimane... :shrug:

@bro ricz: ane dilarang beli mobil non honda dan seken sm ce2 ane... :e-wall:

So, good bye S2K dan CXs...

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acrott aja om.... :ngacir:
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jalan rusak gue pilih Diesel ,jalan mulus pilih bensin
Performa mesin berlipat ganda setiap 30 tahun
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madcat015 wrote:@om turbo: kayak konsep mesin nya Mercedes... Diesotto kalo ga ane ga salah ingat...

Katanya mengadopsi cara kerja mesin diesel utk bensin. Ga tau kabar nya bijimane... :shrug:

@bro ricz: ane dilarang beli mobil non honda dan seken sm ce2 ane... :e-wall:

So, good bye S2K dan CXs...

Welcome Brio... :frm_bang_head:
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ricz wrote:
madcat015 wrote:@om turbo: kayak konsep mesin nya Mercedes... Diesotto kalo ga ane ga salah ingat...

Katanya mengadopsi cara kerja mesin diesel utk bensin. Ga tau kabar nya bijimane... :shrug:

@bro ricz: ane dilarang beli mobil non honda dan seken sm ce2 ane... :e-wall:

So, good bye S2K dan CXs...

Welcome Brio... :frm_bang_head:
Welcome sentolop donk.... :big_smoking:
CRZ????

140hp itu sports car??? :off_no:

Tanpa S+ mode? cuman 120hp... Interior biasa2 aja, ga kerasa mobil 500jeteng... :off_no:

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madcat015 wrote:@om turbo: kayak konsep mesin nya Mercedes... Diesotto kalo ga ane ga salah ingat...

Katanya mengadopsi cara kerja mesin diesel utk bensin. Ga tau kabar nya bijimane... :shrug:

@bro ricz: ane dilarang beli mobil non honda dan seken sm ce2 ane... :e-wall:

So, good bye S2K dan CXs...

Welcome Brio... :frm_bang_head:
beli brio diesel aja Om :wkkk:
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madcat015 wrote:
ricz wrote:
madcat015 wrote:@om turbo: kayak konsep mesin nya Mercedes... Diesotto kalo ga ane ga salah ingat...

Katanya mengadopsi cara kerja mesin diesel utk bensin. Ga tau kabar nya bijimane... :shrug:

@bro ricz: ane dilarang beli mobil non honda dan seken sm ce2 ane... :e-wall:

So, good bye S2K dan CXs...

Welcome Brio... :frm_bang_head:
Welcome sentolop donk.... :big_smoking:
CRZ????

140hp itu sports car??? :off_no:

Tanpa S+ mode? cuman 120hp... Interior biasa2 aja, ga kerasa mobil 500jeteng... :off_no:

*bentar2... ane jualan Hando tapi protes tentang Hando lagi...* :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
Swap K20A lharrr bro... :upss:
Tuner jepun (top secret ato apa) ganti mesin CRZ ama K20A....

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Ide bagus... :off_good_job:

*besok ngubek bengkel... siapa tau ada mesin F20 atau F22 tercecer disana...* :upss:

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diesel vs bensin ?? diesel donk... apalagi yg berturbo dan cc gede... pas di starter aja suaranya uda nikmat... diplintir putaran mesin nya, smakin tinggi smakin mantap jeritan nya... keras dan berbobot... ga cempreng nyaring ngiingg macam mesin bensin cc cekak.. :upss: :upss: :upss:
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DOHC wrote:diesel vs bensin ?? diesel donk... apalagi yg berturbo dan cc gede... pas di starter aja suaranya uda nikmat... diplintir putaran mesin nya, smakin tinggi smakin mantap jeritan nya... keras dan berbobot... ga cempreng nyaring ngiingg macam mesin bensin cc cekak.. :upss: :upss: :upss:
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Klo nubie sih cenderung ke whole package drpd solely meliat jenis mesin nya doank, diesel or bensin..tergantung mobil apa yang dibicarakan...
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ZombiEE wrote:Klo nubie sih cenderung ke whole package drpd solely meliat jenis mesin nya doank, diesel or bensin..tergantung mobil apa yang dibicarakan...
Betul nich :frm_tumbright:

Mesin sehebat apapun kalo rasio transmisi-nya gak sesuai yah outputnya gak akan optimal juga......apapun BBM nya
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ZombiEE wrote:Klo nubie sih cenderung ke whole package drpd solely meliat jenis mesin nya doank, diesel or bensin..tergantung mobil apa yang dibicarakan...
misal nya sperti le'sus yah jemb... :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03:
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Setuju om Turbo...

Om Jembiee mmg paling top kl bicara mobil... apalg le'syuss...

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