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maskopat wrote:
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abrof wrote:jadi asal dirawat FWD juga ok kan?
Cost lbh tinggi sistem RWD.
Ketahanan jg lbh tinggi RWD.
Makanya RWD biasanya dipake mbl dgn beban berat.
kalo ane duga sih, mobil pengangkut beban berat dibuat RWD lebih karena distribusi beban yang ke belakang. kalo ente bisa bikin mobil pengangkut dengan beban di depan dengan nyaman dan aman, ane yakin orang akan beralih ke FWD... :ngacir:
ya memang itulah alasan utamanya :mky_03:
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Turboman wrote:IMHO:
Sistem powertrain FWD kalau mau dibuat sangat robust bisa saja, tinggal gunakan komponen CV Joint yg terbuat dari Boron Steel / Tungsten Carbide Steel serta Grease High Performance spt buatan Royal Purple misalnya.

Masalahnya : kembali ke Cost & efek thd harga jual mobilnya

CMIIW
IMHO sistem FWD lemah bukan hanya di CV joint nya. Tapi jg termasuk di steering nya. CMIIW jg.
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Bai de way..perlu dibedakan rwd tahan beban berat dgn ladder frame tahan beban berat..2 hal yang berbeda...dikarenakan umum nya rwd memakai chassis ladder makanya dianalogikan dgn rwd badak...that is not the case in monocoque rwd.....cmiiw
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BADAK wrote:
Turboman wrote:IMHO:
Sistem powertrain FWD kalau mau dibuat sangat robust bisa saja, tinggal gunakan komponen CV Joint yg terbuat dari Boron Steel / Tungsten Carbide Steel serta Grease High Performance spt buatan Royal Purple misalnya.

Masalahnya : kembali ke Cost & efek thd harga jual mobilnya

CMIIW
IMHO sistem FWD lemah bukan hanya di CV joint nya. Tapi jg termasuk di steering nya. CMIIW jg.
oh..bisa dijelasin apa alasannya dak ?
lantas bagaimana jika ada 2 buah mobil dengan sistem penggerak berbeda tapi keduanya sama2 menggunakan konstruksi steering yg setipe, misalkan sama2 rack n pinion, kenapa yang FWD jd bisa cepet rusak ? :D
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ZombiEE wrote:Bai de way..perlu dibedakan rwd tahan beban berat dgn ladder frame tahan beban berat..2 hal yang berbeda...dikarenakan umum nya rwd memakai chassis ladder makanya dianalogikan dgn rwd badak...that is not the case in monocoque rwd.....cmiiw
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master zombiee has spoken :mky_03:
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jalu wrote:
BADAK wrote:
Turboman wrote:IMHO:
Sistem powertrain FWD kalau mau dibuat sangat robust bisa saja, tinggal gunakan komponen CV Joint yg terbuat dari Boron Steel / Tungsten Carbide Steel serta Grease High Performance spt buatan Royal Purple misalnya.

Masalahnya : kembali ke Cost & efek thd harga jual mobilnya

CMIIW
IMHO sistem FWD lemah bukan hanya di CV joint nya. Tapi jg termasuk di steering nya. CMIIW jg.
oh..bisa dijelasin apa alasannya dak ?
lantas bagaimana jika ada 2 buah mobil dengan sistem penggerak berbeda tapi keduanya sama2 menggunakan konstruksi steering yg setipe, misalkan sama2 rack n pinion, kenapa yang FWD jd bisa cepet rusak ? :D
Setau pengetahuan gw yg dangkal, jarang ada mbl beban berat menggunakan sistem rack n pinion. Dalam hal ini mbl beban berat rata2 jg menggunakan sistem RWD. Alasannya krn sistem rack n pinion ini sangat rentan thd guncangan & benturan, krn pd sistem ini rumah gigi langsung berhubungan dgn roda dgn melalui tie rod. Benturan yg terjadi scr terus menerus, ditambah beban berat muatan akan menyebabkan rack cepat bengkok & rusak. Rack yg bengkok ini menyebabkan setelan roda terganggu & kestabilan kemudi berkurang. Mungkin ini salah satu alasan sistem RWD (dalam hal ini mbl dgn beban berat) jarang yg menggunakan rack n pinion system. CMIIW master jalu :frm_salut:
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BADAK wrote:
jalu wrote:
BADAK wrote:IMHO sistem FWD lemah bukan hanya di CV joint nya. Tapi jg termasuk di steering nya. CMIIW jg.
oh..bisa dijelasin apa alasannya dak ?
lantas bagaimana jika ada 2 buah mobil dengan sistem penggerak berbeda tapi keduanya sama2 menggunakan konstruksi steering yg setipe, misalkan sama2 rack n pinion, kenapa yang FWD jd bisa cepet rusak ? :D
Setau pengetahuan gw yg dangkal, jarang ada mbl beban berat menggunakan sistem rack n pinion. Dalam hal ini mbl beban berat rata2 jg menggunakan sistem RWD. Alasannya krn sistem rack n pinion ini sangat rentan thd guncangan & benturan, krn pd sistem ini rumah gigi langsung berhubungan dgn roda dgn melalui tie rod. Benturan yg terjadi scr terus menerus, ditambah beban berat muatan akan menyebabkan rack cepat bengkok & rusak. Rack yg bengkok ini menyebabkan setelan roda terganggu & kestabilan kemudi berkurang. Mungkin ini salah satu alasan sistem RWD (dalam hal ini mbl dgn beban berat) jarang yg menggunakan rack n pinion system. CMIIW master jalu :frm_salut:
pembahasan diatas lbh cenderung membahas kelemahan sistem rack & pinon,lha...lalu alasan steering mobil FWD lebih lemahnya dimana dak ? :D
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Pertanyaan: apakah fortuner dan crv berbeda sistem steering nya? Atau sama sama pake rack n pinion?
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jalu wrote:

pembahasan diatas lbh cenderung membahas kelemahan sistem rack & pinon,lha...lalu alasan steering mobil FWD lebih lemahnya dimana dak ? :D
mungkin lebih mudahnya bisa dikatakan:
FWD = rack n pinion
RWD = recicurlating ball
mungkin hal ini tidak mutlak, tp sistem ini paling umum digunakan mbl2 saat ini.
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BADAK wrote:
jalu wrote:

pembahasan diatas lbh cenderung membahas kelemahan sistem rack & pinon,lha...lalu alasan steering mobil FWD lebih lemahnya dimana dak ? :D
mungkin lebih mudahnya bisa dikatakan:
FWD = rack n pinion
RWD = recicurlating ball
mungkin hal ini tidak mutlak, tp sistem ini paling umum digunakan mbl2 saat ini.
jelasin dak bedanya apa.......
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saya baca di brosur fortuner..steering nya pake rack n pinion om badak....gimana tuuh.. :big_peace:
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vote42ner wrote:saya baca di brosur fortuner..steering nya pake rack n pinion om badak....gimana tuuh.. :big_peace:
Ya memang tidak semua mbl RWD pake recicurlating ball. Kijang, Panther, Kuda jg pake rack n pinion. Tapi yg plg banyak menggunakan rack n pinion mbl FWD. CMIIW yah. Hanya berdasarkan pengamatan pribadi, rack end termasuk kurang kuat dibandingkan recicurlating ball.
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vote42ner wrote:saya baca di brosur fortuner..steering nya pake rack n pinion om badak....gimana tuuh.. :big_peace:
Ya memang tidak semua mbl RWD pake recicurlating ball. Kijang, Panther, Kuda jg pake rack n pinion. Tapi yg plg banyak menggunakan rack n pinion mbl FWD. CMIIW yah. Hanya berdasarkan pengamatan pribadi, rack end termasuk kurang kuat dibandingkan recicurlating ball.
SL ane tahun 82, RWD sudah pake rack and pinion om... :mky_08:

ane terus terang masih bingung nyambungin FWD dan RWD didalam hal kekuatan drivetrain dan powertrain. termasuk mungkin sistem suspensi.
kalo ban depan yang lebih cepat botak karena FWD lebih masuk akal. karena beban kerja roda depan bertambah. selain untuk belok dan juga menarik mobil. kalo dt dan pt? masih bingung dimana nyambunginnya.. :shrug:
mohon pencerahannya.. semoga ane yang tolol ini bisa lebih memahami.. :thanks:
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Maap kalo membingungkan, maksud saya disini bahwa sistem rack n pinion yg umumnya digunakan pada mbl FWD lbh rentan rusak, drpd sistem recicurlating ball pd mbl RWD. IMO yah..
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Trackball BB jadoel saya juga udah rusak, ogah2an jalannya :mrgreen:
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BADAK wrote:Maap kalo membingungkan, maksud saya disini bahwa sistem rack n pinion yg umumnya digunakan pada mbl FWD lbh rentan rusak, drpd sistem recicurlating ball pd mbl RWD. IMO yah..
wah, kalo gitu masih terlalu banyak penentu kerusakan om.. kalo sistem circulating ball gitu emang katanya lebih awet daripada r&p... cmiiw.
makanya ada yang bilang sistem steering everest atau ranger lebih tahan dibanding di PS/triton dan hilux/fortie..
tapi ane sih gak sangsi dengan kekuatan steer PS/triton dan hilux/fortie. secara teori mungkin. tapi mitsu dan toyot bukan pemain baru di mobil pekerja berat gini.. :big_peace:

tapi masalah FWD dan RWD dan RWD lebih kuat di kaki? mari kita bahas dah...
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BADAK wrote:Maap kalo membingungkan, maksud saya disini bahwa sistem rack n pinion yg umumnya digunakan pada mbl FWD lbh rentan rusak, drpd sistem recicurlating ball pd mbl RWD. IMO yah..
nah..berarti pembahasannya mesti dipisah antara steering system dng power train.... :D
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FortunerMan wrote:Trackball BB jadoel saya juga udah rusak, ogah2an jalannya :mrgreen:
di ambassador, 35rb ganti trackball om, langsung cespleng lagi.... :mrgreen: , ane pernah ganti di situ 2x....
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om FM koleksi BBnya lengkap ya...... dr yang jadul ampe modern....... :mky_03: :mky_03:
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ak4ng wrote:om FM koleksi BBnya lengkap ya...... dr yang jadul ampe modern....... :mky_03: :mky_03:
coba pake bedak anti BB biar gak BB.... :mky_04:
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maskopat wrote:
ak4ng wrote:om FM koleksi BBnya lengkap ya...... dr yang jadul ampe modern....... :mky_03: :mky_03:
coba pake bedak anti BB biar gak BB.... :mky_04:
coba trackball BB-nya dibedakin biar mau jalan lagi :mky_04:
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nescafe wrote:
maskopat wrote:
ak4ng wrote:om FM koleksi BBnya lengkap ya...... dr yang jadul ampe modern....... :mky_03: :mky_03:
coba pake bedak anti BB biar gak BB.... :mky_04:
coba trackball BB-nya dibedakin biar mau jalan lagi :mky_04:
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Baru nemu trid ginian....

Super lengkap. Most recommended thread. Dari soal kaki2 mobil sampe bedak dibahas campur aduk jadi 1.... Image

Kenapa drivetrain FWD lebih rentan? Karena selain sebagai penggerak dia juga harus belok2. Lain dibanding RWD yang berbagi tugas. Belakang sebagai tenaga, depan buat belok.

Ini IMO nya nubie sotoy yang pernah bermasalah berbulan2 ama Prestige 89 nya adik, saat taun 99an lah, mobil umur 10 taun, bunyi 'ktok-ktok-ktok' saat belok nyaris patah. Mesti ganti entah apanya 4 jutaan, jaman taun segitu mah 4 juta berasa dirampok.
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