Avanza vs Xenia

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Toyota Avanza
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Daihatsu Xenia
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Re: Avanza vs Xenia

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Avanza....

Yup, I know, basis mobil sama plek. Enjin Daihatsu pulak. Tapi memang susah kalo udah nyangkut 'image'. Toyota jelas lebih elitis ketimbang Daihatsu hehehe.... Walau yang 'Toyota' di Avanza ya cuman logonya ma dealernya doank.... :big_peace:
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Nightster Guy wrote:Avanza....

Yup, I know, basis mobil sama plek. Enjin Daihatsu pulak. Tapi memang susah kalo udah nyangkut 'image'. Toyota jelas lebih elitis ketimbang Daihatsu hehehe.... Walau yang 'Toyota' di Avanza ya cuman logonya ma dealernya doank.... :big_peace:
Ustahiad khan anak asuhnya atoyot, oom... Berarti kalo biacara ustahiad, ya berarti atoyot, begitu sebaliknya... apakah lantas berarti Habanja is nothing, because of its Daihatsu inner..? Apakah kalo lantas kita bicara GranMax/Luxio, lantas berarti pasti Ustahiad? Padhal diekspor ke Jepun jadi begini khan...?

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ak4ng wrote:biasa2 aja si....... g ad yg aneh.....
iya biasa2 aja borosnya :big_smoking:
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akhirnya terbukti kalo apanja gak seirit kembarannya... :upss:



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masi lebih boros ipah,, lebih boyot, tbw telmi, ac lama dinginnya, dll
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ak4ng wrote:masi lebih boros ipah,, lebih boyot, tbw telmi, ac lama dinginnya, dll
ak4ng wrote: mana buktinya??????????

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VanzMatic wrote:
ak4ng wrote:masi lebih boros ipah,, lebih boyot, tbw telmi, ac lama dinginnya, dll
ak4ng wrote: mana buktinya??????????

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berikut ini itung2an di atas kertas (teoritis) untuk perbandingan berapa beban yang dibawa per 1 daya kuda mesin.

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Innova 2.0 bensin Manual, Curb Wieght nya 1.525 kg, power nya 136ps
Power to weight ratio : 1 ps buat membawa beban 11,2 kg

Innova 2.0 bensin Matic, Curb weight 1.640 kg, power sama, 136ps
Power to weight ratio: 1 ps membawa 12,06 kg beban.

Sekarang untuk Avanza:
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Avanza1.3 E/G:
M/T -> CW: 1.045 kg, Power: 92ps. PtW Ratio : 1ps membawa 11,36 kg
A/T -> CW: 1.060 kg, Pwr: idem. PtW Ratio: 1 ps membawa 11,52 Kg

Avanza 1.5S:
M/T -> CW: 1.070 kg, Pwr: 109 ps. PtW Ratio: 1 ps : 9,8 kg
A/T -> CW: 1.085 kg, Pwr idem, Ptw Ratio: 1ps:9,95kg.

Di atas kertas, secara teori, AvE dan AvG harusnya lebih boros dikit dibanding Ipah. Dan untuk AvS, wajar kalo 1.5S lebih banyak yang pecicilan di tol dengan PtW Ratio yang relatif enteng gitu..

Tapi, yang harus / layak diingat, masih ada variabel2 lain yang secara implisit mempengaruhi FC:
1. 'Rasa' saat membawa kendaraan 2000cc dengan 1300cc, jelas beda. Membawa 2000cc, rasanya nih kaki pengin injek dalem terus pedal gasnya.

2. Gir rasio nya termasuk halus atau kasar? Kalau termasuk kasar, cirinya a.l tarikan bengis, tapi top speed kedodoran. Mau dimasukin beban se gajah juga mampu diangkut. Resikonya, bensin lebih boros. Tapi kalo gir nya alus, tarikan agak2 memble, tapi top speednya mantap! BBM relatif lebih irit dibanding yang ber rasio kasar. Masalahnya, kalo dijejelin beban berat sampe batas maksimum atau lebih, tarikannya tambah boyot..

3. Kondisi lalulintas dan jumlah penumpang. Ini yang paling subjektif ke pengukuran FC! Macet parahh, di siang bolong jam 12-14, bebannya 8-9 orang..apalagi pake Premium! Neraka benerr buat mesin mobil atau motor. Makanya, engga cukup fair kalo membandingkan FC dengan kondisi jalan yang berbeda, waktu yg berbeda, rute yang berbeda, jumlah penumpang juga beda.

Jadi, masalah FC memang ngga bisa disamaratakan antara mobil satu dengan lainnya.

Demikian, hari ini tidak ada PR, pelajaran cukup sekian.
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VanzMatic wrote:berikut ini itung2an di atas kertas (teoritis) untuk perbandingan berapa beban yang dibawa per 1 daya kuda mesin.

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Innova 2.0 bensin Manual, Curb Wieght nya 1.525 kg, power nya 136ps
Power to weight ratio : 1 ps buat membawa beban 11,2 kg

Innova 2.0 bensin Matic, Curb weight 1.640 kg, power sama, 136ps
Power to weight ratio: 1 ps membawa 12,06 kg beban.

Sekarang untuk Avanza:
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Avanza1.3 E/G:
M/T -> CW: 1.045 kg, Power: 92ps. PtW Ratio : 1ps membawa 11,36 kg
A/T -> CW: 1.060 kg, Pwr: idem. PtW Ratio: 1 ps membawa 11,52 Kg

Avanza 1.5S:
M/T -> CW: 1.070 kg, Pwr: 109 ps. PtW Ratio: 1 ps : 9,8 kg
A/T -> CW: 1.085 kg, Pwr idem, Ptw Ratio: 1ps:9,95kg.

Di atas kertas, secara teori, AvE dan AvG harusnya lebih boros dikit dibanding Ipah. Dan untuk AvS, wajar kalo 1.5S lebih banyak yang pecicilan di tol dengan PtW Ratio yang relatif enteng gitu..

Tapi, yang harus / layak diingat, masih ada variabel2 lain yang secara implisit mempengaruhi FC:
1. 'Rasa' saat membawa kendaraan 2000cc dengan 1300cc, jelas beda. Membawa 2000cc, rasanya nih kaki pengin injek dalem terus pedal gasnya.

2. Gir rasio nya termasuk halus atau kasar? Kalau termasuk kasar, cirinya a.l tarikan bengis, tapi top speed kedodoran. Mau dimasukin beban se gajah juga mampu diangkut. Resikonya, bensin lebih boros. Tapi kalo gir nya alus, tarikan agak2 memble, tapi top speednya mantap! BBM relatif lebih irit dibanding yang ber rasio kasar. Masalahnya, kalo dijejelin beban berat sampe batas maksimum atau lebih, tarikannya tambah boyot..

3. Kondisi lalulintas dan jumlah penumpang. Ini yang paling subjektif ke pengukuran FC! Macet parahh, di siang bolong jam 12-14, bebannya 8-9 orang..apalagi pake Premium! Neraka benerr buat mesin mobil atau motor. Makanya, engga cukup fair kalo membandingkan FC dengan kondisi jalan yang berbeda, waktu yg berbeda, rute yang berbeda, jumlah penumpang juga beda.

Jadi, masalah FC memang ngga bisa disamaratakan antara mobil satu dengan lainnya.

Demikian, hari ini tidak ada PR, pelajaran cukup sekian.
Class dismissed..!!
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VanzMatic wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Avanza....

Yup, I know, basis mobil sama plek. Enjin Daihatsu pulak. Tapi memang susah kalo udah nyangkut 'image'. Toyota jelas lebih elitis ketimbang Daihatsu hehehe.... Walau yang 'Toyota' di Avanza ya cuman logonya ma dealernya doank.... :big_peace:
Ustahiad khan anak asuhnya atoyot, oom... Berarti kalo biacara ustahiad, ya berarti atoyot, begitu sebaliknya... apakah lantas berarti Habanja is nothing, because of its Daihatsu inner..? Apakah kalo lantas kita bicara GranMax/Luxio, lantas berarti pasti Ustahiad? Padhal diekspor ke Jepun jadi begini khan...?

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Hehehe....

Keknya salah menginterpretasikan statement saya, brow.. :)
Sama sekali gak mendiskreditkan Daihatsu dengan kalimat yang saya bold merah. Saya cuma menandaskan bahwa Avanza itu Daihatsu, titik tanpa embel2 bahwa Daihatsu jelek dsb..

Saya user Daihatsu dari 92-2003 kok hehe.. Classy '92 > duo Espass '95 '96 buat drag 'n daily > CSX '99.
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@VM: sy kurang ngerti gmn ngitung2 mana mobil yg lebih boros.... seperti post anda di atas yg rasio berat kosong vs output,,, knp torque ga diitung??? kan momen untuk pergerakan mobil tergantung torsi itu sendiri kan???? bukan max output....
imho ya,,,,,, mohon dikoreksi....
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Hmmmm....

Jelaslah Innova lebih boros dibanding Avanza, wonk CC nya lebih gede hehehe.... (teknologi mesin +- sama lah y.., anggap Avanza nya uda yg VVTI). Walau power to weight ratio sama pun, semua parameter lain pun sama (faktor kaki kanan, lalu lintas, dll dsb), pastinya size 2.000 CC akan lebih rakus dari 1.3 or 1.5.

Nah, kata 'lebih boros' itupun AMBIGU. Ferrari boros, tapi kenceng, OK lah, bisa dibilang 'gak boros' karena terbayar ama performanya.

Nah, power to weight ratio Innova beti ama Avanza, performa kedodoran, so, saya tarik kesimpulan Innova itu boros versus Avanza diliat dari perspektif manapun. Kalo dia lebih boros tapi performa lebih asoy, saya tarik statement saya barusan hehehe.............. Keknya memang ada 'yang salah' ama Innova ntah apa kok boyo banget gitu.

Lhahdhalah kok dadi OOT tho, iki lak mbahas Avanza ato Xenia tho y..
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ipah terkesan lebi boyot karena settingan ECU nya... ratio gigi nya... tbw nya... dan jgn lupa... liat aja tachometer nya ipah ama apanja...

tapi kalo dibilang boyo sehh ga jg koq... coba aja ipah gen 1... pasang unichip buat ngakalin tbw laggin nya... ngasepin apanja mahh segampang ngebuka jari bayi... :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle:
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hayu lah aduin ipah gen 1 ama apanja gen 1..............
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DOHC wrote:ipah terkesan lebi boyot karena settingan ECU nya... ratio gigi nya... tbw nya... dan jgn lupa... liat aja tachometer nya ipah ama apanja...

tapi kalo dibilang boyo sehh ga jg koq... coba aja ipah gen 1... pasang unichip buat ngakalin tbw laggin nya... ngasepin apanja mahh segampang ngebuka jari bayi... :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle:
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ak4ng wrote:hayu lah aduin ipah gen 1 ama apanja gen 1..............
apanja tetangga ente lawannya SL maakopat k4ng.. Koq mlh cari lawan baru...
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BADAK wrote:
ak4ng wrote:hayu lah aduin ipah gen 1 ama apanja gen 1..............
apanja tetangga ente lawannya SL maakopat k4ng.. Koq mlh cari lawan baru...
masa avanza lawan ipah berani,klo lawan SL g berani??? :big_smoking: yg penting kan nyaliny tebal kang??? :upss:
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SL kan mobil rally.... ipah mah cuma taksi ...............
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sekarang di jakain mas kopat adu dmn??di tanah ato aspal panas???ipah se klo bawa yg bensin g sor la,sor yg diesel,klo da gigi3 ni ngacir abiz.krn turbo da an.hehehhe
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ipah desel max outputnya cuma 100an hp...... apanja S max outputnya 109 hp, lebih ringan lg......
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Coba berikan data torsinya masing2 :big_smoking:
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kalo adu top speed torsi ga begitu ngaruh kan????
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Kalo adu top speed di tanjakan? :big_smoking:
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sama aja.. sepengetahuan sy... torsi ngaruh besar kalo berhenti di tanjakan lalu gerak lg...
kalo udah ancang2 dari bawah torsi ga ngaruh2 amat...........
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ak4ng wrote:SL kan mobil rally.... ipah mah cuma taksi ...............
Pernyataan ini kl diposting di Innova Community mungkin ak4ng bakal diasepin rame2 smp gak bisa napas :upss:
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