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You are trying to avoid the main issue aren't you, that toyota is not worth defending.


Of course one don't expect toyota sales to drop to zero anywhere in the world. Because not all Chinese as well know what I now know, and all of you who read this. So if people don't know, they still buy from criminal ! From wolf in sheep's clothing !


And of those who do, or don't, they might also be short term minded, buy because of incentives, not thinking about the future.


Now I ask you back " Do you think quality will be good if relations between suppliers and toyota are so bad ? "


And think about this : If toyota DARED to bully their Japanese suppliers like that back in their homeland, think about what they dare to do to suppliers in Indonesia, Thailand etc.


I am not saying all Chinese are smart, and that all whoever is stupid. Don't try to play with words on this one. All I am saying is, enough Chinese are aware that toyota is not even in the top 10 in China anymore.


In the past, toyota did better in China, but all these news and stories made more Chinese think what I think, do what I do, that is, avoid this company, there are better cars, more trustworthy makers around to buy from.


Now your turn to answer my question. Don't avoid with continuous boring temporary increasing sales figures of people accepting temporary discounts, incentives from prostitutes. Not all people fall for this old trick.


At least in China, compared to most other countries, people there are not fooled and so blindly loyal to toyota like you !



I porget...179,000 fools in China for Q1 2010 only... please tell wai

http://www.inautonews.com/march-sales-b ... a-updating
Toyota China’s sales grew by 39% for the first quarter of 2010, to 179,000 year on year.
Chinese buy more more toyota = fools?[/quote]
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toyotaman wrote:I give you many stories already and evidence, and yet you still want to defend criminal. So how ? Very difficult right ?
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toyotaman wrote:INCENTIVES MAN !
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: Mr. Toyotaman...wai u no komen?
But..tapi...who incentives? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: no komen?
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Are you out of your God damn mind !

No hard technical facts ? So all those reports from yahoo. from cnn, from various news reporters around the world all are false ? If all are fake, then how can the US government fine toyota 16.4 million !!! ? dollars ?


If all are fake, then why do toyota CEO Akio toyoda keeps on saying sorry ?


I hate toyota ? Sure. I hate all who lie, cheat, corrupt, just like we all hate people like Gayus, Anggodo etc. Or do you want to also say no hard technical facts and that Gayus, Ayin etc are all innocent ?


No hard technical facts ? Tell that to the hundreds of Americans who already DIE !!!!


You, are in DENIAL ! datsu.



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toyotaman wrote:Find out who makes those rushes. daihatsu factory or toyota factory ? Look at the terios and rush ? Whats the difference other than logo ?

In Indonesia, the king is daihatsu, not toyota.


yeee... yang punya daihatsu juga toyota koq.... :e-naughty:
gimana sih..??? moso cuman ahli copas doang... :off_good:
Berarti Rush Daihatsu juga ya om toyotaman? :mrgreen:[/quote][/quote]

Data ente gak valid 100%... tipe2 tertentu avanza dan rush sudah diproduksi di pabrik toyota di karawang? will it still be daihatsu again?

kalo national bikin AC di pabrik changhong dengan teknologi national dan dikasih merek national, lalu digaransi ama perusahaan dan mekanik2 national, apa iya masih 'changhong'?

gw pribadi bilang memang kualitas avanza dan rush, itu memang kualitas daihatsu, jelek, walaupun yang dibuat di pabrik toyota sekalipun. karena sebetulnya kedua pabrik tersebut line facilitynya sama.... walaupun kualitas daihatsu, tetep harus dibedain lah mana yang badge toyota mana yg daihatsu.. aneh, benci bgt ama toyota sampe jelek2in terus... ampe detik ini, toyota, honda, suzuki yang gw punya dan pernah punya gak pernah masalah aneh2 tuh...

opini2 di thread ini dah mulai sucks nii.. semuanya opini.. dan copas dari orang lain yang belum tentu bener... gak ada TECHNICAL HARD FACTS!![/quote]
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toyotaman wrote:Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?

Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?

Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

You want to know why Americansare foolish? Because they have been fooled by toyota for so long !!! Buying so many toyotas and now they are shocked that 8 million toyotas got problems waiting to happen. And thats all that is known. Maybe more because as you now toyota always likes to coverup.
I porget...179,000 fools in China for Q1 2010 only... please tell wai

http://www.inautonews.com/march-sales-b ... a-updating
Toyota China’s sales grew by 39% for the first quarter of 2010, to 179,000 year on year.
Chinese buy more more toyota = fools?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/austra ... erdict-is/
The Vancouver Sun reports that Toyota Canada sales have risen 25.2 percent compared to February last year (the car-pocalypse). Toyota sold 12,693 Toyota and Lexus cars, trucks and SUV’s for February 2010. In addition, the Toyota Prius, Corolla and Matrix recorded their best ever February sales.
Pending
1. CHINA
2. CANADA


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no komen no komen. Is that all you can say ? you also no komen to my question : Can there be future quality if toyota keeps on treating their suppliers like that ?


Maybe you will start to have some intelligent comments once one of your family members start to suffer injuries, or worse, when those toyota parts made by angry suppliers start causing problems !


But..tapi...who incentives? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: no komen?[/quote]
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Almost all of the important evidence of toyota's criminal behaviour are in English, from overseas. People who can't read English can't understand, and will not know what is going on.


I therefore see no point in debating with people who don't know whats going on.


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toyotaman wrote:INCENTIVES MAN !

FortunerMan wrote:http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysl ... ves-again/
GM Tops March Incentives
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I waitingggggggggggggg....who gip incentippppppppppp :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ....
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Also pending :

fortunerman's toyota collection's future troubles, caused by parts made by angry suppliers.


His fanatical loyalty to such a corporation will be his greatest mistake, for him and his family one day. Mark my words !



Pending
1. CHINA
2. CANADA


:mrgreen: :mrgreen:[/quote]
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toyotaman wrote:fortunerman's toyota collection's future troubles, caused by parts made by angry suppliers. His fanatical loyalty to such a corporation will be his greatest mistake, for him and his family one day. Mark my words !
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

So no explanation wai canada = fools?
toyotaman wrote:Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?

Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?

Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

You want to know why Americansare foolish? Because they have been fooled by toyota for so long !!! Buying so many toyotas and now they are shocked that 8 million toyotas got problems waiting to happen. And thats all that is known. Maybe more because as you now toyota always likes to coverup.
I porget...179,000 fools in China for Q1 2010 only... please tell wai

http://www.inautonews.com/march-sales-b ... a-updating
Toyota China’s sales grew by 39% for the first quarter of 2010, to 179,000 year on year.
Chinese buy more more toyota = fools?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/austra ... erdict-is/
The Vancouver Sun reports that Toyota Canada sales have risen 25.2 percent compared to February last year (the car-pocalypse). Toyota sold 12,693 Toyota and Lexus cars, trucks and SUV’s for February 2010. In addition, the Toyota Prius, Corolla and Matrix recorded their best ever February sales.
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Why you stubborn fool. Read this :

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyota-Co ... l?x=0&.v=1

Toyota Continues with Incentives


On Monday April 12, 2010, 3:37 pm EDT


Toyota Motor (NYSE: TM - News) has decided to continue with its big promotions for auto sales until May 3, 2010. The automaker is overwhelmed by the huge response to its incentives, which includes cheap leases, zero-percent financing for 5 years and free maintenance for 2 years for return customers on most of its line-up.


DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW ?


The incentives have pushed Toyota’s sales up 41% to 186,863 vehicles in March despite its largest ever safety recall of 8.5 million vehicles in recent months. The automaker saw strong sales of even its recalled models, Corolla, Camry and RAV4. Sales of RAV4 more than doubled, while that of Corolla rose 33% and Camry jumped 41%. The automaker grabbed a market share of 17.5% during the month, up from 15.5% in the year-ago month.


According to Autodata Corp., Toyota's incentive during the month increased 46% to $2,310 per vehicle compared with GM's incentive of $3,174 per vehicle (down 19% year-over-year) and Ford's incentive of $3,035 per vehicle (down 2% year-over-year).


Toyota has revealed that it will continue to offer cheap leases on as many as 8 of its models, including the Camry, Corolla and RAV4. It has also expanded its 2-year free maintenance program to all customers, instead of return customers in March. However, the automaker has reduced the coverage under its zero-percent financing offers to 6 models from 8.


So far, Toyota has recalled 8.5 million vehicles from around the world related to problems such as faulty accelerator gas pedals, slipping floor mats and defective braking systems. The recall included favorites such as the 2010 Prius hybrid and Toyota Camry.


Toyota has been slapped with dozens of lawsuits due to the recall. The value of claims under the lawsuits is estimated to reach about $4 billion, reflecting an average loss of $600 per vehicle.


To make matters worse, the U.S. government has imposed the highest-ever fine of $16.4 million on Toyota, accusing it of a deliberate delay in recalling the vehicles by hiding its defects even though manufacturers are legally obligated to notify the U.S. safety regulators within 5 business days if they come to know of a safety defect.


Toyota may succeed in winning back consumer confidence through these incentives, but there is a pitfall. If extended over a long period, the incentives may pull down the company's profit margin.


TOYOTA MOTOR CORP (TM): Read the Full Research Report

Not all incentives are price discounts. What about zero percent financing ? What about free service ? If all these are not incentives, then what are they ?


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toyotaman wrote:INCENTIVES MAN !

FortunerMan wrote:http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysl ... ves-again/
GM Tops March Incentives
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I waitingggggggggggggg....who gip incentippppppppppp :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ....
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toyotaman wrote:Almost all of the important evidence of toyota's criminal behaviour are in English, from overseas. People who can't read English can't understand, and will not know what is going on.


I therefore see no point in debating with people who don't know whats going on.


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Di suruh les bahasa bule tuh ama toyotaman :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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So no explanation also why you keep defending this criminal car maker ?

Anyway, all I know is I will refuse to trust and buy from such a company. Clear and simple.
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You also have to ask your mother again the difference between right and wrong, evil and good.


Obviously your mother forgot to teach you this topic when you were young. Thats why you still blindly defend this tricky company. Ask your mother tonight. Its actually very easy !



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reports dari yahoo?? cnn?? KANTOR BERITA?? don't you have any brain?? *jangan maen gede2an otak/pikiran lo ama gw, gw gak pernah insult lo secara pribadi yang bung sebelumnya*

mana HARD TECHNICAL FACTS dari regulator US? regulator jepang? regulator europe?? news reporters emangnya gak bisa dibribe juga ama pesaing toyota?

yang loe kasih cuman opinion n berita aja.. emangnya US government ngedenda terus ngasitau factsnya gak via badan yang bertanggung jawab? ada official press releasenya dr US government? ada data2 yang harus diketahui pengguna toyota supaya mereka bisa klaim balik ke toyota? halah, honda juga busuk.. nissan juga ada busuknya.. tapi gw fine2 aja make honda...

gw aware dengan toyota punya masalah, bahkan merek lain juga punya masalah di mobilnya.. dan gw gak nganggep companynya bersih bgt.. tapi mana hard TECHNICAL factsnya? TECHNICAL!! geee... gw sih bawa mobil ngapain mikirin company yg punya merek.. selama yg gw pake enak dan gak bermasalah ngapain mikirin yg aneh2..

mana ente jawab gak data tentang pabrik produksi avanza n rush? data ente juga gak valid 100% sebelumnya kan?

maen opini kaya maen api dalam sekam. Jangan ampe salah jatuh. kalo mau OOT ama kasus korupsi, tau darimana lo seorang koruptor bersalah ato gak sebelum diadili? yakin dia yang korupsi ato kambing hitamnya aja? koq bisa yakin 100% dia korupsi? loe ikutan korupsi bareng ama mereka ya jadi yakin 100% mereka korupsi?

aneh... tadinya gw kira ente cuman bisa copas2 aja.. tapi setelah ngasih opini, gak jauh2 dr opini copas-an nya juga.. gak ada opini pribadi yang berarti....
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toyotaman wrote:Not all incentives are price discounts. What about zero percent financing ? What about free service ? If all these are not incentives, then what are they ?
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It's...olreadi...included...in...calculation :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... 1203.shtml
Edmunds.com's monthly True Cost of IncentivesSM (TCISM) report takes into account all automakers' various U.S. incentives programs, including subvented interest rates and lease programs, as well as cash rebates to consumers and dealers.
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toyotaman wrote:Almost all of the important evidence of toyota's criminal behaviour are in English, from overseas. People who can't read English can't understand, and will not know what is going on.


I therefore see no point in debating with people who don't know whats going on.


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Abu2 wrote:diskusinya kenapa gak dalam bahasa indo aja seh....? :frm_bang_head:
iya neh... pake bahasa sunda.. mana lah ane ngerti... :e-naughty:

halah, kirain gak ngerti cakap2 nya?.....ane hanya merasalebih nyaman menggali dan mendapatkan informasi di forum otomotif indonesia, dengan bahasa indo, dibanding bahasa inggris...mbok ya, kalo pinter, ya cakap2 nya dalam bahasa indonesia, biarin aja quotenya dlm bahasa sesuai aslinya...

tp gak papalah, terserah sampean, yg penting ane gak fool punya toyota, biar aja ane fool gak bisa bhs inggris :mrgreen: :ngacir:
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Abu2 wrote:tp gak papalah, terserah sampean, yg penting ane gak fool punya toyota, biar aja ane fool gak bisa bhs inggris :mrgreen: :ngacir:
my inggris teacher ses...dis mistake english
toyotaman wrote:Tell that to the hundreds of Americans who already DIE !!!!
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sekarang om FortunerMan jadi toyotaman. cuman nulis itu2 mulu ga ada kasih jawaban dari pertanyaan toyotaman. :big_peace:

jangan2 orangnya sama. jadi pas yang satu diem, yg satu ngasih jawaban/pertanyaan terus. pas yang diem dah mulain ngejawab dan nanya, yg satunya malah 'diem'. wekekeke :ngacir:
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FortunerMan wrote:
Abu2 wrote:tp gak papalah, terserah sampean, yg penting ane gak fool punya toyota, biar aja ane fool gak bisa bhs inggris :mrgreen: :ngacir:
my inggris teacher ses...dis mistake english
toyotaman wrote:Tell that to the hundreds of Americans who already DIE !!!!
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
wakakakaka yg diserang malah grammarnya bukan opininya. dah ga betul ini. :shrug:
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zweifellos wrote:
FortunerMan wrote:
Abu2 wrote:tp gak papalah, terserah sampean, yg penting ane gak fool punya toyota, biar aja ane fool gak bisa bhs inggris :mrgreen: :ngacir:
my inggris teacher ses...dis mistake english
toyotaman wrote:Tell that to the hundreds of Americans who already DIE !!!!
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
wakakakaka yg diserang malah grammarnya bukan opininya. dah ga betul ini. :shrug:
Kalo ini betul gak? Baca dulu keseluruhan baru komentar :mrgreen:
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datsu wrote:reports dari yahoo?? cnn?? KANTOR BERITA?? don't you have any brain?? *jangan maen gede2an otak/pikiran lo ama gw, gw gak pernah insult lo secara pribadi yang bung sebelumnya*

mana HARD TECHNICAL FACTS dari regulator US? regulator jepang? regulator europe?? news reporters emangnya gak bisa dibribe juga ama pesaing toyota?

yang loe kasih cuman opinion n berita aja.. emangnya US government ngedenda terus ngasitau factsnya gak via badan yang bertanggung jawab? ada official press releasenya dr US government? ada data2 yang harus diketahui pengguna toyota supaya mereka bisa klaim balik ke toyota? halah, honda juga busuk.. nissan juga ada busuknya.. tapi gw fine2 aja make honda...

gw aware dengan toyota punya masalah, bahkan merek lain juga punya masalah di mobilnya.. dan gw gak nganggep companynya bersih bgt.. tapi mana hard TECHNICAL factsnya? TECHNICAL!! geee... gw sih bawa mobil ngapain mikirin company yg punya merek.. selama yg gw pake enak dan gak bermasalah ngapain mikirin yg aneh2..

mana ente jawab gak data tentang pabrik produksi avanza n rush? data ente juga gak valid 100% sebelumnya kan?

maen opini kaya maen api dalam sekam. Jangan ampe salah jatuh. kalo mau OOT ama kasus korupsi, tau darimana lo seorang koruptor bersalah ato gak sebelum diadili? yakin dia yang korupsi ato kambing hitamnya aja? koq bisa yakin 100% dia korupsi? loe ikutan korupsi bareng ama mereka ya jadi yakin 100% mereka korupsi?

aneh... tadinya gw kira ente cuman bisa copas2 aja.. tapi setelah ngasih opini, gak jauh2 dr opini copas-an nya juga.. gak ada opini pribadi yang berarti....
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toyotaman wrote:Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?
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FortunerMan wrote:Kalo ini betul gak? Baca dulu keseluruhan baru komentar :mrgreen:
toyotaman wrote:Maybe you are the son of one of the lawyer's defending corrupters / criminals. Like father like son.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
wekekeke, kalo komennya si toyotaman (bukan yg copas) saya baca keseluruhan (meski ada yg ga detail ngebacanya gara2 dicampur hasil copas, ane kurang greget baca hasil copas soalnya) karena emang gaya bahasanya bikin enak komen dia buat dibaca terlepas dari masalah benar gaknya dia.

kalo om posting fool fool molo, ya ga ada bedanya ama toyotaman. kalo emang benar alasannya gara2 personal attack si toyotaman, saya bisa ngertilah. daripada jadi kaya kemaren.

kita liat aja apa si toyotaman mo berubah lagi seperti sebelumnya dari diem ke ngomong trus ke ngomong yang tanpa personal attack, rasis, dll.
No one’s opinion is more correct than anyone else’s - All have a right to voice their opinions.
If you want to be respected, you need to show respect for others.
FortunerMan

Re: Toyota sedang mengalami ujian berat

Post by FortunerMan »

Ya ane mau tau...bangsa mana aja yg diaggep fool. Contohnya..Australi...keturunan penjahat...jadinya beli mobil penjahat...Toyota :mrgreen: Tapi Canada belon di jelasin kenapa pada beli Toyota...foolnya kenapa? Karena dingin jadi otaknya beku?... :mrgreen:
zweifellos wrote:karena emang gaya bahasanya bikin enak komen dia buat dibaca terlepas dari masalah benar gaknya dia.
Yg mana yg enak...yg ini? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
toyotaman wrote:You also have to ask your mother again the difference between right and wrong, evil and good. Obviously your mother forgot to teach you this topic when you were young. Thats why you still blindly defend this tricky company. Ask your mother tonight. Its actually very easy !