Toyota sedang mengalami ujian berat - PART 01

[maskopat]

At least the Chinese are not fooled. Could be why China is now very powerful and is the biggest car market in the world. They are not easily fooled by those inaccurate jd power ratings. The Chinese, even if some of you don't like them, are not known for being fools.

Canadians...fools, Australians...fools...Americans....fools...Japanese...fools Indonesians...fools

beli bensin... isi sampe fools...

[toyotaman]

Ha, those Canadians also still don't know who toyota is, but some already know. Read this :

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/biz/ ... 696849.cms

Toyota faces criminal charges in Canada

IANS, Mar 18, 2010, 10.56am IST

TORONTO: Toyota may be slapped with criminal charges in Canada for hiding accelerator problems from motorists even as it was trying to fix it.


The Japanese automaker recalled more than 2.3 million vehicles in the US and Canada in January to fix accelerator pedals that get stuck. Toyota executives appeared before a Canadian parliamentary panel Tuesday to explain the lapse.


According to Transport Minister John Baird, the government will ponder initiate criminal proceedings against the car giant after studying the testimony. He said action against the auto giant will be determined under the country's Motor Vehicle Safety Act.


"I can't direct the department to conduct a criminal investigation and lay criminal charges,'' minister said, adding that "if we have to raise the bar and make the law tougher with respect to disclosure, that's something we're prepared to do.''


Toyota executives reportedly admitted before the MPs that the company didn't alert vehicles users and the government about the sticky accelerator pedal as it was working to fix it.


The MPs blasted the Toyota executives for not being prompt in alerting car users about the problem.


"You've got a serious safety problem, you're already talking to your supplier about redesigning a faulty gas pedal and no one told Transport Canada ... until after a recall was issued. It was all occurring but you were telling nobody about it,'' said a ruling Conservative Party MP.


Apologizing for the 'anxiety and inconvenience' caused to car users, Yoshi Inaba, president and chief operating officer of Toyota Motor North America, said, "Nothing is more important to Toyota than the safety and reliability'' of its vehicles.


Canadians are also upset that Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda personally didn't come here to apologize as he did before Americans and Chinese.




http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/austra ... erdict-is/

The Vancouver Sun reports that Toyota Canada sales have risen 25.2 percent compared to February last year (the car-pocalypse). Toyota sold 12,693 Toyota and Lexus cars, trucks and SUV’s for February 2010. In addition, the Toyota Prius, Corolla and Matrix recorded their best ever February sales.

Much...people...buy toyota...because of me [/quote]

[FortunerMan]

At least the Chinese are not fooled. Could be why China is now very powerful and is the biggest car market in the world. They are not easily fooled by those inaccurate jd power ratings. The Chinese, even if some of you don't like them, are not known for being fools.

Canadians...fools, Australians...fools...Americans....fools...Japanese...fools Indonesians...fools

beli bensin... isi sampe fools...

Mau cepat beres...pake fool-oos

Tambah lagi...Thai...fools http://www.marketresearch.com/map/prod/2614642.html

As with production and sales, vehicle exports in 2009 held up better than expected, thanks largely to a better showing in the second half of the year, which saw improved vehicle demand in key external markets. Vehicle exports reached 535,565 units, a fall of 31% compared with the 775,652 newly built vehicles that were shipped in 2008. Largely in line with our cautiously positive production and sales forecasts, we anticipate that exports will rise by just over 5% to just over 563,000 units in 2010. Toyota continued to dominate the local sales market with a market share of 42.8% for 2009 as a whole, on the back of sales of 230,500 units for the year. In 2010, the company plans to sell a total of 257,000 new vehicles in Thailand, an increase of 11.5% y-o-y (a figure of 111,000 is targeted for passenger sales, while 146,000 is targeted for commercial vehicles). This is in line with the company’s prediction that total new vehicle sales in Thailand (inclusive of competitors) will reach 600,000 in 2010.

[FortunerMan]

I give you many stories already and evidence, and yet you still want to defend criminal. So how ? Very difficult right ?

INCENTIVES MAN !

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysl ... ves-again/
GM Tops March Incentives

Mr. Toyotaman...wai u no komen?

But..tapi...who incentives?

[maskopat]

Mau cepat beres...pake fool-oos

wah, udah susah sekarang kayaknya om... lagi banyak disorot di semua bidang...

[FortunerMan]

Mau cepat beres...pake fool-oos

wah, udah susah sekarang kayaknya om... lagi banyak disorot di semua bidang...

WAHHHHHHHHHHH don worry brader! I toyota lowyer son!

Maybe you are the son of one of the lawyer's defending corrupters / criminals. Like father like son.

[toyotaman]

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?


Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?


Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?


China. Fool ? In China, people commit corruption - immediately DEATH penalty. Thats why the country now so big and successful. Corruption is now much less than in the past.

At least the Chinese are not fooled. Could be why China is now very powerful and is the biggest car market in the world. They are not easily fooled by those inaccurate jd power ratings. The Chinese, even if some of you don't like them, are not known for being fools.

Canadians...fools, Australians...fools...Americans....fools...Japanese...fools Indonesians...fools

[FortunerMan]

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?


Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?


Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?


China. Fool ? In China, people commit corruption - immediately DEATH penalty. Thats why the country now so big and successful. Corruption is now much less than in the past.

At least the Chinese are not fooled. Could be why China is now very powerful and is the biggest car market in the world. They are not easily fooled by those inaccurate jd power ratings. The Chinese, even if some of you don't like them, are not known for being fools.

Canadians...fools, Australians...fools...Americans....fools...Japanese...fools Indonesians...fools

You porget..why Thai too...fools Americans? why fools?

[toyotaman]

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?


Again, people who like corrupt president like to buy from corrupt and criminal toyota. Surprised ?



Tambah lagi...Thai...fools http://www.marketresearch.com/map/prod/2614642.html

As with production and sales, vehicle exports in 2009 held up better than expected, thanks largely to a better showing in the second half of the year, which saw improved vehicle demand in key external markets. Vehicle exports reached 535,565 units, a fall of 31% compared with the 775,652 newly built vehicles that were shipped in 2008. Largely in line with our cautiously positive production and sales forecasts, we anticipate that exports will rise by just over 5% to just over 563,000 units in 2010. Toyota continued to dominate the local sales market with a market share of 42.8% for 2009 as a whole, on the back of sales of 230,500 units for the year. In 2010, the company plans to sell a total of 257,000 new vehicles in Thailand, an increase of 11.5% y-o-y (a figure of 111,000 is targeted for passenger sales, while 146,000 is targeted for commercial vehicles). This is in line with the company’s prediction that total new vehicle sales in Thailand (inclusive of competitors) will reach 600,000 in 2010.

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[doq]

ck ck ck.....
am not a toyota fans......but judging the whole world fools just because they had toyota is too much outta track i think

[toyotaman]

Never mind the Americans, YOU are the biggest fool out there for defending a criminal ! And not getting paid some more !



You porget..why Thai too...fools Americans? why fools? [/quote]

[FortunerMan]

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?


Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?


Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Wokeh...I add fools kolesyen Welkam Thailand

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

You still forget...why American fool... Buy lot of crook Toyota

[Abu2]

huurrraayy, i'm not a fool, because i own a suzuki's car....

[FortunerMan]

ck ck ck.....am not a toyota fans......but judging the whole world fools just because they had toyota is too much outta track i think

biarin aja bro...lucu nih...

[toyotaman]

But fools can be forgiven, because sometimes they don't know what they are doing. they don't have complete information, because some important information is covered up by the criminals. So can't blame them also.


Better be a fool than a criminal, or the criminal's lawyer. A fool, once he knows where he is wrong, can become clever again. But a criminal, well, unless he change for the better, you know.


But some people, like fortunerman, keeps on and likes defending criminals. Tell me why ? What are his motives ? Just because he owns a fortuner ? Well, he should understand, His fortuner is innocent. Its made by a criminal company, but the car itself is innocent. So don't worry about it man.


You can change, leave the darkness and embrace the light, the good. And you can still keep your innocent car. But frankly speaking, if I were you, knowing already that the future spareparts are made by this kind of company, I will sell it and buy a Honda or a Nissan or anyother honorable car maker.


I want to ensure future quality. And quality can only be assured if its made by an honest, honorable company, not by crooks, greedy, tricky crooks.


A much more sensible and common sense approach. But I don't think you will change. The toyota spirit is much too strong in you. Even if like I said, God forbid, somethings happen to your family one day.


Hmmmmmm.

ck ck ck.....
am not a toyota fans......but judging the whole world fools just because they had toyota is too much outta track i think

[FortunerMan]

But fools can be forgiven, because sometimes they don't know what they are doing. they don't have complete information, because some important information is covered up by the criminals. So can't blame them also.

Better be a fool than a criminal, or the criminal's lawyer. A fool, once he knows where he is wrong, can become clever again. But a criminal, well, unless he change for the better, you know.

So...explain not complete...why American fools? Japanese...Australians...Thai...Indonesians...fools...buy crook toyota a lot. You explain why Japanese fool...but why American fool?

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?


Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?


Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Wokeh...I add fools kolesyen Welkam Thailand

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

I want complete fools koleksyen

[toyotaman]

Its not funny man ! Read this again, and make up your mind whether you think toyota's spareparts will be of high quality or not ! :

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/busin ... gewanted=1


KARIYA, Japan — As Toyota’s president Akio Toyoda faces American lawmakers on Wednesday, his company will be facing something else here in Japan’s auto manufacturing heartland: an unprecedented level of opprobrium.


Torin Boyd/Polaris, for The New York Times

Osamu Miura, laid off by Toyota, with leaflets and a sign asking to be allowed to work.
Come what may, Toyota used to be able to count on a reflexive loyalty in this small city, where the rows of smoke stacks and metal-roofed factories rise like something out of Dickens. But after years of feeling the sting of Toyota’s cost-cutting, some of the workers and suppliers that used to be the company’s biggest cheerleaders are instead experiencing a sense of grim pleasure over the company’s woes.


The change is rooted in the changing behavior of Japanese corporations. Communities like Kariya that once enjoyed a near familial relationship with Toyota, have been feeling forsaken for years as this country’s social contract has changed.


While employment is still for life for Toyota’s full-time workers, some complain that the company is now miserly with wage increases. Over time it has steadily reduced the ranks of its short-term contractors and pressured its suppliers to decrease prices.


For decades, thousands of tiny auto parts companies like Sankyo Seiko were Toyota’s loyal legions, and toiled in relative obscurity to supply the behemoth. But the auto giant’s demands in recent years for ever lower prices have driven many of these companies out of business.


After successive price cuts, Toyota now pays them about 30 percent less for the same part than it did a decade ago, despite the higher cost of raw materials like steel, many companies say.


“Toyota just squeezes us, like it’s trying to wring water from a dry towel,” said Masayuki Nishioka, 49, whose factory in Kariya makes the rubber seals for Toyota’s car windows.


Last month something snapped for Sankyo’s owner, Teruo Moewaki. He appeared on local television to do the unthinkable: criticize Toyota, announcing that he would no longer accept orders from the automaker or its affiliates.


“I said on TV what they all want to say, but are afraid to,” said Mr. Moewaki, 60, standing in the dark one-room workshop where he and his three employees operate gritty machines. “Toyota said we were all one big family. But now they are betraying us.”


The outburst turned Mr. Moewaki into an instant local celebrity. But he is not the only one speaking out.


To hear many here tell it, in good times Toyota failed to increase wages for employees and forced painful price cuts on parts suppliers even as it earned record profits. Since the global downturn, these critics say, Toyota has released thousands of contract workers and squeezed parts makers even further.


While this may seem like normal, even prudent, management, many in Japan see it as an act of betrayal. In fact, Toyota has become a symbol here of how corporate Japan has begun to violate the nation’s unspoken postwar social contract, in which big paternalistic companies share the wealth with employees and business partners in good times and help them weather the bad.


“Toyota is attacked so much because it has become the face of corporate Japan,” said Hisao Inoue, the author of two books on Toyota. “All Japan’s social problems, economic problems, political problems all seem to pile up on Toyota.”


Mr. Inoue said the criticism can be unfair, and is part of a broader reaction here against globalization and the embrace of American-style competition under former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. Still, some dozen books have been published in the last five years, with titles like “The Dark Side of Toyota” and “The Toyota You Don’t Know.”


Even through the early 1990s economic collapse, as big companies squeezed costs or shifted production overseas to compete with lower-price rivals from South Korea and China, this manufacturing belt around the central city of Nagoya, an area known as the Detroit of Japan, seemed immune. Toyota continued to grow even as Japan stumbled in other industries, like consumer electronics.


Now there is a palpable sense of alarm in the air. Cities like Kariya appear to be turning into a new rust belt of abandoned industrial neighborhoods, with economists estimating the number of small manufacturers in this part of Japan has dropped by half in the last two decades to about 180,000. Unemployment has also taken off in Aichi prefecture, where Nagoya is located, doubling to 4.5 percent last year from the year before


One of the newly jobless is Osamu Miura, who worked for two years monitoring quality control at a sprawling plant making Prius hybrids in nearby Toyota City, where the automaker is based. Two months ago, the company said it would not renew his contract, making him one of thousands in that category after the global financial crisis began.


But unlike most of the others, Mr. Miura has refused to go quietly. Every day, he has donned his immaculate company uniform and Toyota cap to report for work at the factory gate, where he is invariably turned away. On a recent rainy afternoon, a half-dozen current and former Toyota employees, members of a small labor union, joined him in front of the gate to hand out fliers to passing workers.


“Toyota is going in the wrong direction, and so is Japan,” said Mr. Miura, 40, who taped a blue placard to his chest that said, “Let me work!”


“Standing up against Toyota is still a taboo,” said Hiroshi Oba, 56, a Toyota employee at the Prius plant who said he was putting his chances for promotion at risk by standing with Mr. Miura, “but these job cuts are a social problem that we cannot ignore.”


Paul Nolasco, a spokesman for Toyota, said the company was aware of such criticisms, but called them one-sided. He said that while the number of contract workers had fallen to 2,300 early this year, from 10,000 before the Lehman Brothers crisis in September 2008, some 900 contract workers have been given full-time jobs since 2008.


It is also hard to gauge the full extent of anger at Toyota. Japan’s establishment media have been restrained in their criticism even during the recalls for fear of angering the company, the nation’s largest advertiser. Toyota critics here say the community still frowns on criticism of the region’s largest employer, making many afraid to speak out.


But that is changing, too. Saichi Kurematsu, chairman of the Airoren, a federation of labor unions in Aichi prefecture, said that complaints once limited to the far left are entering the mainstream. He said attendance at his federation’s rallies against Toyota has jumped sevenfold since 2003, the local media now write about his activities and even small company owners, once antiunion, welcome his criticisms of Toyota.


“There has been a dramatic change in how people view Toyota,” Mr. Kurematsu said.


Mr. Moewaki, the factory owner who spoke out on TV, said small companies are moving out of the auto industry to survive.


“Toyota just fills its own pockets now,” Mr. Moewaki said. “It is already clear that we cannot rely on Toyota anymore.”

ck ck ck.....am not a toyota fans......but judging the whole world fools just because they had toyota is too much outta track i think

biarin aja bro...lucu nih...

[FortunerMan]

Its not funny man

Is funny...i laughing...see why you no answer why american fools? American buy crook toyota.. A LOT

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?

Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?

Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

Please complit fools kolesyen...

[toyotaman]

You want to know why Americans are foolish ? Because they have been fooled by toyota for so long !!! Buying so many toyotas and now they are shocked that 8 million toyotas got problems waiting to happen. And thats all that is known. Maybe more because as you now toyota always likes to coverup.


Remember, dead men tell no tales !


But not all Americans are stupid. Many are now turning to Hondas, Nissans, Hyundais, GMs, Fords etc. The remaining fools want to take advantage of the criminal incentives. All I can think of is, when those cars they buy give them future problems, let's see if they still think its a good buy or not in the future.


I ask you, if a prostitute offers you a discount you want or not ? What if she got AIDS ? Still want ? Stupid or not ? You tell me ?


I want complete fools koleksyen [/quote]

[FortunerMan]

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?

Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?

Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

You want to know why Americansare foolish? Because they have been fooled by toyota for so long !!! Buying so many toyotas and now they are shocked that 8 million toyotas got problems waiting to happen. And thats all that is known. Maybe more because as you now toyota always likes to coverup.

OK...todays toyotaman FOOLS kolesyen

[toyotaman]

I tell you fortunerman, when a company's suppliers start to get MAD with them, smart people pay attention and think ! WHY ? What will the future consequences be ? How can there be future quality when suppliers are ANGRY with toyota ?


If you are smart, you should know what to do. But if you still want to defend criminal, I don't know what are you thinking.


Can there be quality with so much bad relationship between supplier and factory ?


YOU TELL ME.

Of course the bad quality don't happen immediately. But it will probably give you trouble, SOONER OR LATER. Those who buy toyotas now because of those incentives never thought about this. Maybe they, like you, keeps on thinking about those jd power ratings.


Trust those jd power reports if you want. I pay more attention to those real life stories told by suppliers, customers, news reports !


I say : WATCH OUT !

[FortunerMan]

Australians... fools. They are racists I heard. Racist fools. What do you expect ? They are descendants of British criminals remember, thrown to the Australian continent long time ago by the British like waste. Ya descendants of criminals buy from criminal like toyota. Surprised ?

Japanese...fools. Buy so many toyotas just because its 100% Japanese, and the Japanese government work together with toyota to cover-up problems. Like the story I quote sometime ago. Even toyota's Japanese suppliers got mad with toyota. Remember that story ? Or you also pretend not to know ?

Indonesians...fools ? Yes, there are fools. Big fools. Corruptors are set free or only sentenced to prison 3-5 years. Artalyta Suryani was given a big discount to her prison sentence recently. Lots of tax people and police, judges work together to destroy the country. Fool or not ? You tell me ?

Talk about Thais, wah, also many fools there. Look at them now. Wearing Red shirts and causing trouble here and there, defending a former corrupt president. Disturbing the country's stability. Crazy right ?

You want to know why Americansare foolish? Because they have been fooled by toyota for so long !!! Buying so many toyotas and now they are shocked that 8 million toyotas got problems waiting to happen. And thats all that is known. Maybe more because as you now toyota always likes to coverup.

I porget...179,000 fools in China for Q1 2010 only... please tell wai

http://www.inautonews.com/march-sales-b ... a-updating

Toyota China’s sales grew by 39% for the first quarter of 2010, to 179,000 year on year.

Chinese buy more more toyota = fools?

[datsu]

Find out who makes those rushes. daihatsu factory or toyota factory ? Look at the terios and rush ? Whats the difference other than logo ?

In Indonesia, the king is daihatsu, not toyota.


yeee... yang punya daihatsu juga toyota koq....
gimana sih..??? moso cuman ahli copas doang...

[/quote] Berarti Rush Daihatsu juga ya om toyotaman? [/quote][/quote]

Data ente gak valid 100%... tipe2 tertentu avanza dan rush sudah diproduksi di pabrik toyota di karawang? will it still be daihatsu again?

kalo national bikin AC di pabrik changhong dengan teknologi national dan dikasih merek national, lalu digaransi ama perusahaan dan mekanik2 national, apa iya masih 'changhong'?

gw pribadi bilang memang kualitas avanza dan rush, itu memang kualitas daihatsu, jelek, walaupun yang dibuat di pabrik toyota sekalipun. karena sebetulnya kedua pabrik tersebut line facilitynya sama.... walaupun kualitas daihatsu, tetep harus dibedain lah mana yang badge toyota mana yg daihatsu.. aneh, benci bgt ama toyota sampe jelek2in terus... ampe detik ini, toyota, honda, suzuki yang gw punya dan pernah punya gak pernah masalah aneh2 tuh...

opini2 di thread ini dah mulai sucks nii.. semuanya opini.. dan copas dari orang lain yang belum tentu bener... gak ada TECHNICAL HARD FACTS!!

[Abu2]

diskusinya kenapa gak dalam bahasa indo aja seh....?

[FortunerMan]

aneh, benci bgt ama toyota sampe jelek2in terus... ampe detik ini, toyota, honda, suzuki yang gw punya dan pernah punya gak pernah masalah aneh2 tuh...

Ente punya Toyota? FOOL