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toyotaman wrote:http://www.officer.com/online/article.j ... 1&id=51475


Wis. Woman Claims Her Toyota Accelerated, Causing Crash


Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010
Updated: March 31st, 2010 03:08 AM EDT


A Sheboygan Falls woman said her Toyota Camry accelerated on its own while she was trying to park, sending her crashing into a wall.


Myrna Marseilles, 76, of Kohler said she was parking her 2009 Toyota Camry in the YMCA parking lot when it just took off.
:mrgreen: Kayanya ane kira2 tau penyebabnya yg ini :mrgreen:
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udah masuk part II blm ya? :drinking:
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-ce ... id=9700622

Toyota CEO Apologizes to His Customers: 'I Am Deeply Sorry'
Akio Toyoda Apologizes for Safety Problems, Then Drives Away in a Black Audi.


Jan. 29, 2010

Akio Toyoda apologizes to customers for random acceleration problem."I am deeply sorry," said Akio Toyoda in a brief interview with the Japanese network NHK as he left his hotel in Davos, Switzerland. After the interview he was seen leaving in a black Audi.


Toyoda had been attending the economic conference with other corporate and government leaders this week, while his deputies struggled to quell a consumer rebellion triggered by the recall of nine million cars worldwide.


In the interview, Toyoda said he could not answer questions because the company "was still investigating." He said he hoped to provide an explanation to Toyota customers soon.


"Truly we think of our customers as a priority and we guarantee their safety," he said, according to a translation. Referring to the near collapse of the company's once strong reputation for safety and quality, Toyoda said, "I would like for the people to trust us."


Toyoda is the grandson of the car company's founder and has publicly criticized the company's drive for profits in the last decade.


The Wall Street Journal reported Toyota would place full page newspaper ads in 25 cities Sunday and Monday to explain how it plans to fix the most-recent defect found in eight of its models involving a sticky gas pedal.


The company is awaiting federal government approval of a redesigned accelerator pedal that is being produced by its supplier, CTS, and has already been shipped to some of its factories, according to CTS.


The company ordered a halt to sales and production of the eight models with the flawed pedal on Tuesday, following a recall of millions of cars a few days earlier.


The recall, which spread to Europe and China, is now estimated to involve at least nine million cars and trucks.
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Waxman: Toyota Told Us Gas Pedals Were Not the Problem

In Strongly Worded Letter, Reps. Waxman and Stupak Suggest That in Private Toyota Execs Are Telling A Different Story About the Causes of Runaway Toyotas


Two congressmen issued a strong statement Tuesday afternoon suggesting that recent statements by Toyota's top U.S. executive to the public about the causes of random acceleration were misleading, and that in private Toyota officials had said that sticky gas pedals were not the cause of the most serious acceleration incidents.


More PhotosRep. Henry Waxman, D.-Calif., and Rep. Bart Stupak, D.-Mich., questioned public claims made earlier this week by James Lentz, Toyota's U.S. president, that sudden acceleration was due to "two different issues," sticky gas pedals and poorly fitting floor mats, and that the company was "confident" that fixing those two problems would stop runaway Toyota incidents. Waxman and Stupak demanded answers from Lentz by the end of the week.


Waxman, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Stupak, chair of the Investigations Subcommittee, said that during a January 27, 2010 meeting with committee staff, Toyota executives said sticky gas pedals were probably not the cause of the more extreme incidents of acceleration, and that the actual causes of random acceleration were hard to pinpoint.


"Your public statements are different than the representations that Toyota officials made on January 27, 2010," Waxman and Stupak wrote in their letter. "When Committee staff inquired whether Toyota could be certain that floor mat entrapment and sticking accelerator pedals fully explained reports of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the Toyota officials present responded that causes of unintended acceleration are 'very, very hard to identify."


"Furthermore," continued the letter, "Toyota officials indicated that sticking accelerator pedals are unlikely to be responsible for the sensational stories of drivers losing control over acceleration as their cars race to 60 miles per hour or higher. The officials said that condensation build-up in a 'sticky pedal' can cause the accelerator to become lodged in a slightly depressed position, but they said that this would not lead to full-throttle acceleration.


"The Toyota officials did tell the Committee staff that accelerator pedals entrapped by all-weather floor mats could cause high-speed acceleration. There are, however, well-publicized, high-speed unintended acceleration events in Toyota vehicles that do not appear to have been caused by all-weather floor mats."


Waxman and Stupak requested that Lentz clarify his public statement about sticky gas pedals, and explain whether Toyota's position on the role of gas pedals had changed between January 27 and February 2. They also asked that Toyota provide evidence to their committee that sticky gas pedals were causing sudden high-speed acceleration, and for Lentz's public claims that electronics were not to blame for the acceleration problems.


In addition, the congressmen questioned the timeline offered by Lentz in his public appearances this week. Lentz said in two different interviews that Toyota became aware of sticky pedals in October 2009. According to Stupak and Waxman, Toyota officials said last week that the company learned of the problem through reports of sticky pedals in England and Ireland in April or May 2009.


Waxman and Stupak asked that Lentz provide documents and evidence to support his public claims by this Friday, February 5.
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toyotaman wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayTo ... id=9730328


Waxman: Toyota Told Us Gas Pedals Were Not the Problem

In Strongly Worded Letter, Reps. Waxman and Stupak Suggest That in Private Toyota Execs Are Telling A Different Story About the Causes of Runaway Toyotas


Two congressmen issued a strong statement Tuesday afternoon suggesting that recent statements by Toyota's top U.S. executive to the public about the causes of random acceleration were misleading, and that in private Toyota officials had said that sticky gas pedals were not the cause of the most serious acceleration incidents.


More PhotosRep. Henry Waxman, D.-Calif., and Rep. Bart Stupak, D.-Mich., questioned public claims made earlier this week by James Lentz, Toyota's U.S. president, that sudden acceleration was due to "two different issues," sticky gas pedals and poorly fitting floor mats, and that the company was "confident" that fixing those two problems would stop runaway Toyota incidents. Waxman and Stupak demanded answers from Lentz by the end of the week.


Waxman, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Stupak, chair of the Investigations Subcommittee, said that during a January 27, 2010 meeting with committee staff, Toyota executives said sticky gas pedals were probably not the cause of the more extreme incidents of acceleration, and that the actual causes of random acceleration were hard to pinpoint.


"Your public statements are different than the representations that Toyota officials made on January 27, 2010," Waxman and Stupak wrote in their letter. "When Committee staff inquired whether Toyota could be certain that floor mat entrapment and sticking accelerator pedals fully explained reports of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the Toyota officials present responded that causes of unintended acceleration are 'very, very hard to identify."


"Furthermore," continued the letter, "Toyota officials indicated that sticking accelerator pedals are unlikely to be responsible for the sensational stories of drivers losing control over acceleration as their cars race to 60 miles per hour or higher. The officials said that condensation build-up in a 'sticky pedal' can cause the accelerator to become lodged in a slightly depressed position, but they said that this would not lead to full-throttle acceleration.


"The Toyota officials did tell the Committee staff that accelerator pedals entrapped by all-weather floor mats could cause high-speed acceleration. There are, however, well-publicized, high-speed unintended acceleration events in Toyota vehicles that do not appear to have been caused by all-weather floor mats."


Waxman and Stupak requested that Lentz clarify his public statement about sticky gas pedals, and explain whether Toyota's position on the role of gas pedals had changed between January 27 and February 2. They also asked that Toyota provide evidence to their committee that sticky gas pedals were causing sudden high-speed acceleration, and for Lentz's public claims that electronics were not to blame for the acceleration problems.


In addition, the congressmen questioned the timeline offered by Lentz in his public appearances this week. Lentz said in two different interviews that Toyota became aware of sticky pedals in October 2009. According to Stupak and Waxman, Toyota officials said last week that the company learned of the problem through reports of sticky pedals in England and Ireland in April or May 2009.


Waxman and Stupak asked that Lentz provide documents and evidence to support his public claims by this Friday, February 5.
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hoahhmmm..... ngomong2 blom masuk part 2 nehh... :e-think: :e-think:
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DOHC wrote:hoahhmmm..... ngomong2 blom masuk part 2 nehh... :e-think: :e-think:
Tret terpanjang dalam sejarah SM?

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Revolving Door: From US Safety Agency to Toyota Representative

Federal Investigations of Runaway Toyotas Excluded Most Serious Cases After NHTSA Official Is Hired by Car Company


Federal safety investigators agreed to exclude reports of the most serious cases of alleged "runaway Toyotas" after the intervention of a former safety official hired to be a Washington, D.C. representative of Toyota, an ABC News investigation has found.


ABC News has learned that federal safety investigators agreed to exclude reports of the most serious cases of alleged runaway Toyotas from their investigations after the intervention of two former safety officials hired to be Washington, D.C. representatives of Toyota, including Chris Santucci (above).


As a result, the federal investigation of Toyota's computer-controlled throttle in 2004 never examined any case in which the sudden acceleration lasted longer than a second or two, or in which the driver tried to brake, effectively ruling out all high-speed episodes.


There have been five similar investigations since 2004, and the same limitation applied to the most recent probe in 2007, involving complaints of electronic issues and uncontrolled acceleration in the Lexus model.


"It's beyond explanation," said Edgar Heiskell, a lawyer suing Toyota over a fatal crash of a Camry in Detroit which allegedly raced out of control. "I have not seen an explanation that makes sense," he said.


Toyota officials have repeatedly referred to the federal investigations as confirmation there is no electronic or computer defect causing some of their cars to race out of control.


But internal government memos and court testimony analyzed by ABC News show the federal investigations were extremely limited in scope, after negotiations involving former safety investigators who had been recruited to work for Toyota's Washington, D.C. office.


"Longer duration incidents involving uncontrollable acceleration" were deemed to be "not within the scope of this investigation," according to a 2004 memorandum in the files of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA).


The memorandum was written on March 23, 2004, shortly after the NHTSA official, Scott Yon, met with two former NHTSA colleagues who worked for Toyota, including Chris Santucci, who had left the agency only six months earlier, according to his testimony in a civil lawsuit.


"We discussed the scope," Santucci testified. "I think it worked out well for both the agency and Toyota."


Cases Not Included In Investigation

Twenty-six of the 37 initial complaints of runaway Toyotas were excluded from the federal investigation in 2004 following the negotiations between the safety agency and the Toyota representatives.


The 26 excluded incidents included 25 cases in which accidents or crashes were reported. They were never investigated.


The investigation, involving Camry, Lexus and other models, was closed after four months, "without identifying a defect trend."


"By keeping that narrow focus, NHTSA almost ensured they wouldn't have enough complaint data to take action," said Sean Kane, of Safety Research & Strategies, a private auto research firm.


A Toyota spokesman said the company "respectfully declined to comment."


Under federal law, an employee in the executive branch is barred for two years after leaving government service from representing any matter under the employee's previous official responsibility.

It is not known whether the restriction applies to a federal safety investigator.

A Toyota spokesperson said Santucci was not available to answer questions.

In addition to excluding longer duration sudden acceleration episodes, the safety agency also ruled out any case in which the brake pedal had been applied.


A document submitted by Toyota to the safety agency confirmed it would not submit any reports "in which the customer alleged that they could not control a vehicle by applying the brake."


"Of course, our client who went from a very low speed to almost 80 miles an hour would have lasted more than one or two seconds and there's strong evidence she was trying to apply the brakes," said Heiskell. "So by the NHTSA Toyota standard of what was to be submitted, that would not have even been considered."


There was no immediate comment from the safety agency. Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood has praised NHTSA for its efforts to hold "Toyota's feet to the fire."


Editor's Note: On March 2, 2010, Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood testified that his department had investigated the actions of Santucci and another former NHTSA investigator hired by Toyota and determined that they did not violate federal conflicts law. The law prohibits former executive branch employees from representing a matter under the employee's previous official responsibility for two years after leaving government service.


Secretary LaHood told Congress: "Everything that we can tell at this point is that they did work for Toyota and they did talk to people at DOT, but not in an area where they were responsible. … I'm saying that our review of it, it does not appear that they were engaged in activities that they were prohibited by law from engaging in." (Read more about Secretary LaHood's statements to Congress here and here.) Mr. Santucci has testified in court litigation that he worked on two Toyota matters during his employment at NHTSA, but neither involved sudden acceleration.
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toyotaman wrote:Secretary LaHood told Congress: "Everything that we can tell at this point is that they did work for Toyota and they did talk to people at DOT, but not in an area where they were responsible. … I'm saying that our review of it, it does not appear that they were engaged in activities that they were prohibited by law from engaging in." (Read more about Secretary LaHood's statements to Congress here and here.) Mr. Santucci has testified in court litigation that he worked on two Toyota matters during his employment at NHTSA, but neither involved sudden acceleration.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayTo ... 215&page=1


Toyota Gives $100K to Democratic, Republican Political Groups
Donations A Sign of Increased Activity in Washington


By MATTHEW MOSK
Feb. 9, 2010


Just as Toyota was engaged in tense negotiations with federal officials over problems with sudden acceleration, the automaker's North American subsidiary donated more than $75,000 to two major political committees.


The U.S. subsidiary of the Japanese automakerdonated $50,400 to the Democratic Governors Association in November and December of last year. The company gave $25,000 to the Republican Governors Association in November, having already sent a check for $25,000 in April.


Most of the contributions landed as the car maker began tense discussions with the U.S. Department of Transportation over mounting concerns with random acceleration in several of its models.


Toyota is not allowed to donate directly to federal office holders or candidates. But these contributions were legal. Corporations -- even the U.S. subsidiaries of those with foreign owners --are permitted to donate to the major gubernatorial fundraising committees, and no limits have been placed on how much they can give.


Still, these donations appear to have been unusual. Toyota does not have a large public footprint when it comes to political giving. There is no report of the company making a similar donation to the governors associations during the prior three years. And the automaker does not have a registered political action committee under its company banner, though foreign-owned corporations can establish and contribute to PACs as long as the PACs are overseen by an American citizen or green-card holder.


Toyota Spent $5 Million on Lobbying in 2009

Most political contributions bearing the corporate name have come from U.S. dealerships. For instance, Wilfred Templeton Fort Myers Toyota in Florida gave the RGA $20,000 last year. And a PAC formed by Gulf States Toyota, a regional association of 150 dealers, handed out $1,000 donations to eight Republicans and four Democrats from Louisiana, Texas and Oklahoma.


The automaker does, however, spend prolifically on lobbying. Last year, Toyota spent more than $5 million on its lobbying efforts, according to figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. Eight major lobbying firms identify Toyota as a client.


And as the company's difficulties have become more complex, its Washington team appears to be growing. Earlier this month, Toyota hired the DC public affairs firm The Glover Park Group. The Washington-based firm includes principals Joe Lockhart, a White House spokesman under President Bill Clinton, and Joel Johnson, a former Clinton senior adviser, as well as Kevin Madden, a communications specialist for Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney.


Toyota did not respond to a request for comment by press time
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Corporate lobbying tidak illegal juga toyotaman :mrgreen: Semua industri ada tukang lobbynya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Lobby
"Energy Lobby" is the umbrella term used to name the paid representatives of large oil, gas, coal, and electric utilities corporations who attempt to influence governmental policy. So-called Big Oil companies such as ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Total S.A., Chevron Corporation, and ConocoPhillips are amongst the largest corporations associated with the Energy Lobby. General Electric, Southern Co., First Energy, and the Edison Electric Institute (EEI) are among the most influential electric utilities corporations.[1] Both electric companies and big oil and gas companies are consistently among the ten highest-spending industrial lobbyists
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/ ... 6424.shtml
Big Three Spending Millions On Lobbying
As Congress mulls over a bailout for U.S. automakers, some may be thinking about more than jobs and the economy.
The auto industry spent nearly $50 million lobbying Congress in the first nine months of this year.

And people tied to the auto industry gave another $15 million in campaign contributions, CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports.
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Risol1 wrote: FARS, yg mrpk lembaga yg langsung ada dibawah NHTSA, pasti punya data2 tipe, merek dari tiap2 mobil yg terlibat kecelakaan.
Karena tujuan FARS/NHTSA itu bukan cuma ngumpulin dan publish data (kaya BPS nya indo), tapi juga badan ini bertanggung jawab untuk meminimalkan potensi accident2 tsb terjadi lagi di masa datang. Makanya semua informasi ttg kecelakaan tsb (termasuk merek dan model mobil) juga pasti dicatet di Db nya.

Juga publikasi2/artikel2 dari media2 besar, bahkan basis datanya US govt u/ menganalisis kecelakaan yg melibatkan berbagai merek mobil juga kemungkinan besar asalnya dari sini kali. Jadi mereka pasti punya data2 mobil2 tsb, BUKAN cuma tabulasi akumulasi kecelakaan aja yg dicatet.

Sebagai contoh, coba aja om masuk ke website fARS (yg om kasi diatas tuh), lalu click "request data" link yg ada di kanan atas. Disitu ada ftp sitenya FARS, click ftp sitenya.
Disitu om bisa pilih tahun yg om mao riset, sesudah pilih tahun, om pilih aja direktori "DBF", lalu keliatan zip file "FARSYYYY"
Unzip deh filenya, udah deh keliatan semua info ttg vehicle yg om cari (merek, model, vin, engine, dll....) :mrgreen:
sori pengen nanya, dr dbase tsb ada nongol merknya ya?
kok ane cari2 cuma angka2 aja yg muncul... apa merk-nya dikodekan? ada daftar kode-nya ga spy kita tau merk A no kodenya 1, dst
ato ane kelewatan kali yak? :e-think:

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62T0V620100330
NASA to help on Toyota probe

U.S. auto safety regulators are turning to scientists from the NASA space and aeronautics agency for help analyzing Toyota electronic throttles to see if they are behind unintended acceleration, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said.

Separate from the work of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration scientists, LaHood said, experts from the National Academy of Sciences will lead a study of unintended acceleration across the auto industry, a broader issue raised by congressional lawmakers at recent hearings on Toyota Motor Corp.

"We are determined to get to the bottom of unintended acceleration," LaHood said in an interview with Reuters ahead of the formal announcement on Tuesday.

The Transportation Department's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is just beginning its review of Toyota electronic throttles, which have come under heightened scrutiny following the recall of 8.5 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles over the past six months for unintended acceleration.
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http://blog.taragana.com/science/2010/0 ... cars-9421/
In a separate study, the National Academy of Sciences will examine unwanted acceleration and electronic vehicle controls in cars from around the auto industry, LaHood said. The National Academy is an independent organization chartered by Congress.

The academy study, expected to take 15 months, will review acceleration problems and recommend how the government can ensure the safety of vehicle electronic control systems.
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http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... 39988/1290
Toyota sales up 30 percent in March; worst may be over

Perhaps seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, Toyota expects March sales to be up 30 to 35 percent over year-ago figures, outpacing industry gains, its top U.S. executive said today.

Jim Lentz, president of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., said the “biggest surprise has been the RAV4,” which saw sales surge to an expected 22,000 units in March, far above the crossover’s typical sales. Lentz theorized that perhaps RAV4 incentives were a bit high.

While both car and truck sales have risen, “it’s really light trucks that are driving the business,” Lentz told journalists gathered outside the NADA/IHS Global Insight Forum here.

Lentz said he thinks the worst may be over in the crisis surrounding claims of unintended acceleration of Toyota vehicles.
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Guys...please stay in topic... :big_peace:
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mandala1 wrote:Guys...please stay in topic... :big_peace:
dengarlah apa kata om meong....
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Captivated wrote:
Risol1 wrote: FARS, yg mrpk lembaga yg langsung ada dibawah NHTSA, pasti punya data2 tipe, merek dari tiap2 mobil yg terlibat kecelakaan.
Karena tujuan FARS/NHTSA itu bukan cuma ngumpulin dan publish data (kaya BPS nya indo), tapi juga badan ini bertanggung jawab untuk meminimalkan potensi accident2 tsb terjadi lagi di masa datang. Makanya semua informasi ttg kecelakaan tsb (termasuk merek dan model mobil) juga pasti dicatet di Db nya.

Juga publikasi2/artikel2 dari media2 besar, bahkan basis datanya US govt u/ menganalisis kecelakaan yg melibatkan berbagai merek mobil juga kemungkinan besar asalnya dari sini kali. Jadi mereka pasti punya data2 mobil2 tsb, BUKAN cuma tabulasi akumulasi kecelakaan aja yg dicatet.

Sebagai contoh, coba aja om masuk ke website fARS (yg om kasi diatas tuh), lalu click "request data" link yg ada di kanan atas. Disitu ada ftp sitenya FARS, click ftp sitenya.
Disitu om bisa pilih tahun yg om mao riset, sesudah pilih tahun, om pilih aja direktori "DBF", lalu keliatan zip file "FARSYYYY"
Unzip deh filenya, udah deh keliatan semua info ttg vehicle yg om cari (merek, model, vin, engine, dll....) :mrgreen:
sori pengen nanya, dr dbase tsb ada nongol merknya ya?
kok ane cari2 cuma angka2 aja yg muncul... apa merk-nya dikodekan? ada daftar kode-nya ga spy kita tau merk A no kodenya 1, dst
ato ane kelewatan kali yak? :e-think:

thx
Betul, cuman angka2 (ID) aja di MAKE & MODEL, mesti cari table "kunci" nya ...tapi yg jelas ADA datanya, all the way to 1975 (waktu FARS di mulai).
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so.. shall we back to the topic now??

atau topicnya saya lock aja?
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lock sajah :big_slap: :big_slap: :big_slap:
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mari kembali ke topic. sok waelah copas panjang2, adu data adu opini.

yg ga suka bisa hindari mampir sini, yg suka dikit silahkan intip dan yang doyan jangan lupa bawa minuman dan makanan ringan sebagai peneman menikmati setiap huruf di thread ini. :mrgreen:
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nescafe wrote:so.. shall we back to the topic now??

atau topicnya saya lock aja?
Lanjut Gan!!!!
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nescafe wrote:so.. shall we back to the topic now??

atau topicnya saya lock aja?
Jangan....kasian toyotaman :mrgreen: dia selalu on topic kok!
Terakhir kite lagi ngobrolin lobbyist Toyota di Washington.
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Re: Toyota sedang mengalami ujian berat

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jadi gimana nih sodara2?? ini topic mau dilanjut apa ditutup?

vote deh,, quote tulisan saya..
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