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asudarsono wrote:Call them.

Mereka siap kok jawab.

Saya juga udah nelpon.

Bisa bahasa Inggris khan?
Gak perlu nelpon om

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 317n1.html
The agency received 15,174 complaints involving unintended acceleration in the past decade and has run 141 investigations of the phenomenon since 1980, closing 112 of them without corrective action.
http://www.automobile.com/audi-investig ... ation.html
Monday the NHTSA stated it is investigating the 1998 and 1999 Audi A6 for a possible defect that could cause the sedan to accelerate “out of the control of the driver.”

Why the need to investigate? The government organization states that 16 complaints have been lodged with the agency regarding stuck throttles in cold weather, normally sub-freezing temperatures. One of the 16 complaints states that the vehicle was “fully accelerating on its own,” while another says the vehicle “suddenly began to race,” which resulted in the car running past stop signs and through intersections before the engine was shut off.
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FortunerMan wrote:
asudarsono wrote:iya, bro punya pertanyaan dasar amat sih. Gak apa2, jangan malu2.
Pertanyaan saya simple...apa buktinya NTHSA databasenya mulai dr thn 2000...seperti om bilang?

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 317n1.html
The agency received 15,174 complaints involving unintended acceleration in the past decade and has run 141 investigations of the phenomenon since 1980, closing 112 of them without corrective action.
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K h a n u d a h d i b i l a n g :

Pakai 60 Minutes

Saya tadi udah mulai jelaskan dengan dimulai dari Audi itu lho.
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asudarsono wrote:
FortunerMan wrote:
asudarsono wrote:iya, bro punya pertanyaan dasar amat sih. Gak apa2, jangan malu2.
Pertanyaan saya simple...apa buktinya NTHSA databasenya mulai dr thn 2000...seperti om bilang?

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 317n1.html
The agency received 15,174 complaints involving unintended acceleration in the past decade and has run 141 investigations of the phenomenon since 1980, closing 112 of them without corrective action.
Terus nyimpen data investigation sejak 1980 di mana om? :mrgreen:
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asudarsono wrote:K h a n u d a h d i b i l a n g :

Pakai 60 Minutes
60 minutes hanya kena kasus penipuan karena Audi 5000 di demo mereka ternyata di mod duluan.
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archives
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asudarsono wrote:archives
Archives itu bukan database ya om? :mrgreen:
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Iya, tapi udah keburu ribut duluan.

Gini : kata NHSTA ada 16 komplaint. Kata CARS ada ratusan. CARS ini yang menggerakkan agar Audi diinvestigasi. Caranya, CARS infoin ke 60 Minutes shg mereka bikin segmen, terus CARS kompor2in kongress. Kongress menyuruh NHSTA bergerak.
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asudarsono wrote:Database NHTSA dimulai tahun 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975 and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
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Ya ya, archives itu database juga, yang udah dormant. Kalau bahasa Indonesianya gudang arsip lama kali.
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asudarsono wrote:Ya ya, archives itu database juga, yang udah dormant. Kalau bahasa Indonesianya gudang arsip lama kali.
Berarti udah ada database kan? :mrgreen:
asudarsono wrote:Database NHTSA dimulai tahun 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975 and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
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FortunerMan wrote: ck ck ck....
Iya ck ck ck ck ..... itu database antara Pemerintah Federal dan Pemerintah Negara Bagian bro. Maaf emang baru bisa segitu, kurang user friendly ya. Datanya juga cuma baru sampai 2008.

Coba di ODI aja, untuk urusan komplain masyarakat
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Bos, itu singkatan dari data dalam databasenya mulai tahun 2000, selebihnya diarchive. Kalau database sih udah dibuat dari tahun 1970an, saat NHSTA berdiri. Tapi data yg masih dipakai cuma dari 2000.
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asudarsono wrote:Bos, itu singkatan dari data dalam databasenya mulai tahun 2000, selebihnya diarchive. Kalau database sih udah dibuat dari tahun 1970an, saat NHSTA berdiri. Tapi data yg masih dipakai cuma dari 2000.
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Maksudnya?
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asudarsono wrote:Maksudnya?
Kalo saya ngomong pake source om, om mana sourcenya
asudarsono wrote:Database NHTSA dimulai tahun 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975 and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
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Yah sih om yg ngibul donk. Itu FARS bukan database yg dicari. Cari database di ODI aja.

Gpp, wajar kalau bro terkecoh. Tapi jangan ngibul dan ngarang ya. Jangan pula tertipu.
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FortunerMan wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
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Tahu arti sensus khan
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asudarsono wrote:
FortunerMan wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975 and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
Jadi ini bukan DATABASE NHTSA?
asudarsono wrote:Database NHTSA dimulai tahun 2000.
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Itu juga database NHSTA bro, tapi bukan yang dimaksud.

Database NHSTA kebetulan ada banyak bro ..... maaf Pemerintah Amerika Serikat urusannya banyak.
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asudarsono wrote:Itu juga database NHSTA bro, tapi bukan yang dimaksud.

Database NHSTA kebetulan ada banyak bro ..... maaf Pemerintah Amerika Serikat urusannya banyak.


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asudarsono wrote:Database NHTSA dimulai tahun 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975 and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
Jadi maunya database apa om...kasitau dong :mrgreen:
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Nah, kalau gitu saya kasih tahu :

FARS itu database buat sensus kecelakaan, gunanya untuk mengevaluasi program keselamatan (before after gitu). Sensus artinya kita aktif mendatangi si sumber data dan data itu harus terkumpul 100% (atau secara statistik 100%)

Ada juga VSR database berisi data pengetesan NCAP masing2 kendaraan dll. Ini juga sudah mandatory dan bersifat sensus.

dll tapi yang kita cari dalam hal ini adalah :
ODI itu buat database untuk menampung komplain masyarakat mengenai defect2 yang mereka alami. Menurut saya secara statistik masih jauh dari andal, karena hanya mengandalkan satu varian paling payah dari accidental sampling methode.

Saya nggak main2 waktu usul telepon mereka lho.
NOTICE: If you are interested in obtaining specific recall information for a particular vehicle, you can do so by calling the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Auto Safety Hotline at 1-800-424-9393 1-800-424-9393 .
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asudarsono wrote:Nah, kalau gitu saya kasih tahu :

FARS itu database buat sensus kecelakaan, gunanya untuk mengevaluasi program keselamatan (before after gitu). Sensus artinya kita aktif mendatangi si sumber data dan data itu harus terkumpul 100% (atau secara statistik 100%)

Ada juga VSR database berisi data pengetesan NCAP masing2 kendaraan dll. Ini juga sudah mandatory dan bersifat sensus.

dll tapi yang kita cari dalam hal ini adalah :
ODI itu buat database untuk menampung komplain masyarakat mengenai defect2 yang mereka alami. Menurut saya secara statistik masih jauh dari andal, karena hanya mengandalkan satu varian paling payah dari accidental sampling methode.

Saya nggak main2 waktu usul telepon mereka lho.
NOTICE: If you are interested in obtaining specific recall information for a particular vehicle, you can do so by calling the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Auto Safety Hotline at 1-800-424-9393 1-800-424-9393 .
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_H ... nistration
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA, often pronounced "nit-suh") is an agency of the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government, part of the Department of Transportation. It describes its mission as “Save lives, prevent injuries, reduce vehicle-related crashes.”

As part of its activities, NHTSA is charged with writing and enforcing safety, theft-resistance, and fuel economy standards for motor vehicles, the latter under the rubric of the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) system. NHTSA also licenses vehicle manufacturers and importers, allows or blocks the import of vehicles and safety-regulated vehicle parts, administers the VIN system, develops the anthropomorphic dummies used in safety testing, as well as the test protocols themselves, and provides vehicle insurance cost information. The agency has asserted preemptive regulatory authority over Greenhouse gas emissions, but this has been disputed by such state regulatory agencies as the California Air Resources Board.

Another of NHTSA’s major activities is the creation and maintenance of the data files maintained by the National Center for Statistics and Analysis. In particular, the Fatality Analysis Reporting System, or FARS, has become a resource for traffic safety research not only in the US, but throughout the world. Research contributions using FARS by researchers from many countries appear in many non-US technical publications, and provide a significant database and knowledge bank on the subject.
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asudarsono wrote:Database NHTSA dimulai tahun 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatality_A ... ing_System
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) was created in the United States by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to provide an overall measure of highway safety, to help suggest solutions, and to help provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs.

FARS contains data on a census of fatal traffic crashes within the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. To be included in FARS, a crash must involve a motor vehicle travelling on a trafficway customarily open to the public and result in the death of a person (occupant of a vehicle or a non-occupant) within 30 days of the crash. FARS has been operational since 1975 and has collected information on over 989,451 motor vehicle fatalities and collects information on over 100 different coded data elements that characterizes the crash, the vehicle, and the people involved.
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Weleh, yaudah kalau mau pakai FARS. Saya gak maksa lho ya. Nih websitenya : http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

Kayak sakit gigi tapi si sakit malah maksa ke dokter jantung.
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