Toyota sedang mengalami ujian berat - PART 01

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betul oom meong.... persis! hehehe... dan masing2 selalu punya senjata yang lebih besar dr lawannya... jangan ampe keluar BFG yang di doom aja.. :big_slap:
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mandala1 wrote:
FortunerMan wrote:
Captivated wrote:kan sesuai judul tred om :mrgreen:
Kalo Fortuner ngacir sendiri...sesuai judul tred nggak?

ayo toyotaman,...bantuin cariin dong...kan ente paling sentimen ama IMV dr dulu...apalagi ama Avanza
Jangan lupa Rush/Terios om... :upss:
FortunerMan wrote:Sebenernya udah rada bosen, jauh lebih enak godain toyotaman...si Captivated at least gak pengecut.
Nah klonengan yg satu ini...ngomong aja kaga berani :mrgreen:

1. Kenapa takut ngomong? Takut digigit?
2. Kenapa takut ngomong? Takut ketahuan dari gaya ngomongnya?
3. Manusia macam apa yg takut ngomong di forum internet? Apalagi aslinya?
4. Siapakah gerangan toyotaman?

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Husssshhhh...hussshhh....jangan mengganggu perdebatan sengit..
:2gunfire: ........................... om kopat .................................... :frm_shock:
Silahkan dilanjutin lg om FM n Toyotaman, para pengganggu sudah saya bersihkan :frm_salut:
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Mana nih? Tinggal 8 halaman lagi ...... Ayo buruan .....
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ayo buruannn....seruduukkkkkk..........

Suzuki Gren pitara gak ada recall yah?
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Abu2 wrote:ayo buruannn....seruduukkkkkk..........

Suzuki Gren pitara gak ada recall yah?
gak ada recall...... :e-naughty:
tanpa recall jg kita sering mondar mandir beres nuntut garansi,hehehehe.............. :big_weee:
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hehehe....kalo di indo kan mind set nya masi kuno gt.... jadi yah sebenernya keadaan yg seolah2 tanpa recall itu bagus jg utk tidak mencederai resale value kendaraan kita....

* :e-pray: :e-pray: mudah2an nissan jgn recall buat masalah2 di lipina dehh, biar nanti kalo mo dijokul tuh mobil, resale value nya tetep tinggi.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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btw, om kopat diem2 koleksi nya nendang jg nehhh.... ditunggu di tret sebelah om.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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FortunerMan wrote:Sebenernya udah rada bosen, jauh lebih enak godain toyotaman...si Captivated at least gak pengecut.
Nah klonengan yg satu ini...ngomong aja kaga berani :mrgreen:

1. Kenapa takut ngomong? Takut digigit?
2. Kenapa takut ngomong? Takut ketahuan dari gaya ngomongnya?
3. Manusia macam apa yg takut ngomong di forum internet? Apalagi aslinya?
4. Siapakah gerangan toyotaman?

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kaya misalnya pake campur2 bhasa inggris yg mo niru2 singlish tapi malah jadi english blepotan alias blepolish yah om... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Bukan, ane rasa toyotaman bukan sithlord/hawa2
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wakakaka.....rame bener..... :mrgreen:

Tapi yg paling seru sih ngikutin postingannya om Sudarsono......lagi seru2 ngikutin tiba2 ilang aja jejaknya, bingung Om Sudar sebenernya pro ato kontra nih, setuju atau engga nih, Om FM aja ampe keder :mrgreen: .....Sip Lanjutttt Om Sudar...... :frm_salut:
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Captivated wrote:@risol : ini menarik, bisa kasih pencerahan buat ane bgmn GM (n mgkn Detroit 3) mempekerjakan underpaid/ilegal workers tsb?
- brp banyak? klo di Toyota bs sampe 1/3 (brdasar artikel tsb)
- brp gajinya? klo di toyota bs sampe <50% UMR
- jam kerjanya? dibandingkan dgn pekerja normal
utk 5 thn terakhir. jgn pake data dr jaman PD II ya... jaman itu Indo aja msh dijajah :mrgreen:

yg msh membingungkan, sbrp besarkah porsi upah labor/workers dlm pricing mbl? kok keliatannya gara2 gaji karyawan (UAW?) sampe GM bangkrut
Yah ane mana tau om, nanti kalo ada yg bongkar ane share deh articlenya (kaya dulu kasusnya Walmart)
Kalo soal begini2 sih pasti engga ada datanya, cuma tau sama tau aja.

Sebenernya pekerja assemblingnya big 3 itu semuanya anggota UAW, tapi pasti aja ada yg nyusup, belom lagi kalo ngomongin level di bawahnya (level dealer, sales dan mekanik2nya, pasti ada aja yg illegal)

Benefitnya UAW yg kegedean adalah SALAH SATU faktor kenapa "old GM" bangkrut, bukan satu2nya faktor yg bikin "old GM" bangkrut. Faktor lainnya: Kualitas mobil rendah, fokus di mobil2 yg haus bensin, supply chain mgt yg gak bener (supplynya kebanyakan), model2 yg kurang menarik karena kebanyakan merek/kebanyakan rebadge untuk pasar yg sama (Contoh: pontiac, chevy, saturn, buick itu mobil2nya kebanyakan modelnya sama semua walaupun mereknya beda2 untuk USDM), Costnya juga gede (dealer2nya kebanyakan: satu zip code aja bisa ada bbrp dealer, dan salah satunya adalah gedenya benefit u/retireenya UAW).

Tapi bukan berarti gajinya assembler GM lebih gede daripada assemblernya merek lain, bukan gitu. Gaji mereka sih mirip2 aja. Yg gede itu cost per karyawan karena karyawan aktifnya nanggung beban benefitnya si retiree. Jadi cost per karyawannya jauh lebih gede daripada merek lain yg gak pake union. Kaya social security aja, pas ane pensiun juga itu SS udah bangkrut kali karena nanti beban pensiun diperkirakan akan jauh lebih banyak dari pada jumlah uang yg di pajekkin ke pekerja2 muda.

Weleh...dari recall produk koq jadi ngomongin "moral" toyota ke karyawannya :mrgreen:
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kok jadi thread bb17 ya? :roll:
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Risol1 wrote:wakakaka.....rame bener..... :mrgreen:

Tapi yg paling seru sih ngikutin postingannya om Sudarsono......lagi seru2 ngikutin tiba2 ilang aja jejaknya, bingung Om Sudar sebenernya pro ato kontra nih, setuju atau engga nih, Om FM aja ampe keder :mrgreen: .....Sip Lanjutttt Om Sudar...... :frm_salut:
Gimana gak keder bro...kematian "sejak thn 2000" di bilang kematian dalam satu thn :shrug:
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I am not the Stig .... Eh Toyotaman.
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the stig mahhh sbodo ama mobil laenn slama bukan merek audi yg dibahas... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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FortunerMan wrote:Bukan, ane rasa toyotaman bukan sithlord/hawa2
mudah2an sehh bukann...
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Yah, tewas deh tret ini.
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wahh, di atas ada corvette nya om Posvett.....

jgn2 mobilnya dia neh :e-think:
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DOHC wrote:btw, om kopat diem2 koleksi nya nendang jg nehhh.... ditunggu di tret sebelah om.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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DOHC wrote:
FortunerMan wrote:Bukan, ane rasa toyotaman bukan sithlord/hawa2
mudah2an sehh bukann...
kalo bos admin atau momod mungkin bisa duga dengan cepat... :big_peace:
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