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Bailing out GM makes it really tough for government to say no to other beggars
The staggering $10.6-billion from Ottawa and Ontario to help bail out General Motors - at least temporarily - will reverberate throughout Canadian public affairs for years. The bailout will make it politically almost impossible for the federal government to say no to other industries in distress when they ask for assistance.
ck ck ck...ngemis kiri kanan, kasian...
ternyata eh ternyata... the almighty Toyota pun bisa "ngemis"
It’s True: Toyota Asks Japanese Government-Backed Bank For $2b
By Edward Niedermeyer on March 3, 2009
Toyota Financial Services has requested a $2B loan from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation, a government-backed lending institution. TFS says it needs the money to cover the higher cost of borrowing in the US. According to Automotive News [sub], “Toyota may be the first of a string of Japanese companies with high credit ratings to turn to state-backed loans prior to the closing of books for the business year at the end of March.†Toyota’s “implied†credit rating based on credit-default swaps is considerably lower than its current Moody’s rating, as fears grow about liquidity problems across the automotive industry. The money will come from a $5B fund established by the Japanese government to provide liquidity for firms which operate abroad. These funds are said to come from Japan’s $1T+ in foreign cash reserves, the world’s second-largest foreign currency reserves after China. Nissan and Mitsubishi have also said they will apply for loans from this fund.
Toyota is still faring better than General Motors and Chrysler, which together have received $17.4 billion in emergency loans from the U.S. government, and asked for an additional $21.6 billion in aid last month.
A Chicago law firm representing people who have sued GM in several auto accident cases said they objected to parts of the plan that would free the "new GM" from liability for people injured by a defective GM product before June 1.
Steve Jakubowski, who filed the appeal notice for the accident litigants, said his appeal would assert that the bankruptcy judge overstepped his authority by preventing victims from pursuing litigation under their state product liability laws.
He estimated that about 1,000 lawsuitscould be pending with potential damages in the range of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Enak juga ya bangkrut...bisa bebas dari 1000 tuntutan
could be pending = aborted?...... maklum ane cupu bhs asing
hahahaha.... emg gw pikirin! keburukan GM ga bakal bikin Toyota menjadi baik
n seburuk2nya GM, masih lbh buruk toyota :
- jual killer car
- hire ex-NHTSA staf buat nutupin kasus2
- byr karyawan < UMR
- udah dituntut car owners-nya, dituntut pula ama shareholders-nya.... ASTAGANAGA !!!
ini ibarat org2 yg dulu jatuh cintrong ama Toyota, kini rame2 mau mukul gara2 dikhianati.... ckckckck
tp tetep, cinta mrk msh kalah jauh ama cinta om FM thd Toyota... die harder gitu loh
Nggak ada yg lebih buruk dari perusahaan bangkrut, terkenal pembuat produk buruk :p killer car? Yakin GM gak pernah bikin mati org? Gak pernah bikin injury?
Ooo...baru tau ane share price jatuh lebih buruk daripada bangkrut Coba tanya shareholder "old GM" Kuliah dimana dulu mas?
FortunerMan wrote:
Ada GM gak di Top 50? Tanya kenapa ada sih...General MILLS tapi...bukan Government Motors
emg gw pikiran apa?
- GM msh dlm tahap pemulihan sejak c11. wajar klo image-nya msh krg baik krn merk2 bermasalah, tp utk 4 core brands-nya aman2 aja tuh. udh tau progress GM di Cina? toyota mah ga ada apa2nya
Ooo...kok GM gak ada di admired companies tahun 2006? 2007? gak ada juga Tanya kenapa...kok perusahaan yg suci dan pembuat produk2 berkualitas dan tidak pernah bikin injury atau death bisa bobrok dan BANGKRUT
Jury Finds GM Negligent in Fuel Tank Case
By Warren Brown
The Washington Post
An Atlanta jury Thursday ordered General Motors Corp. to pay $105.2 million to the parents of a Georgia teenager who died in the fiery crash of a GM pickup truck in 1989.
The jury found GM guilty of negligence and awarded $101 million in punitive damages and $4.2 million in compensatory damages to Thomas and Elaine Moseley, parents of Shannon Moseley, the 17-year-old killed in the accident.
The case, one of hundreds involving controversial side-mounted fuel tanks, is likely to reignite the volatile debate over product liability, with corporations denouncing the size of jury awards and consumer groups arguing that big damage awards make businesses accountable for their mistakes.
GM said it would appeal the decision of the Fulton County State Court jury. "We believe the verdict is incorrect," said GM spokesman Ed Lechtzin.
The GM truck involved in the crash is also the subject of a federal safety investigation. Consumer groups say that those cases involve at least 300 deaths, a number GM denies.
FortunerMan wrote:
Ada GM gak di Top 50? Tanya kenapa ada sih...General MILLS tapi...bukan Government Motors
emg gw pikiran apa?
- GM msh dlm tahap pemulihan sejak c11. wajar klo image-nya msh krg baik krn merk2 bermasalah, tp utk 4 core brands-nya aman2 aja tuh. udh tau progress GM di Cina? toyota mah ga ada apa2nya
Ooo...kok GM gak ada di admired companies tahun 2006? 2007? gak ada juga Tanya kenapa...kok perusahaan yg suci dan pembuat produk2 berkualitas dan tidak pernah bikin injury atau death bisa bobrok dan BANGKRUT
Jury Finds GM Negligent in Fuel Tank Case
By Warren Brown
The Washington Post
An Atlanta jury Thursday ordered General Motors Corp. to pay $105.2 million to the parents of a Georgia teenager who died in the fiery crash of a GM pickup truck in 1989.
The jury found GM guilty of negligence and awarded $101 million in punitive damages and $4.2 million in compensatory damages to Thomas and Elaine Moseley, parents of Shannon Moseley, the 17-year-old killed in the accident.
The case, one of hundreds involving controversial side-mounted fuel tanks, is likely to reignite the volatile debate over product liability, with corporations denouncing the size of jury awards and consumer groups arguing that big damage awards make businesses accountable for their mistakes.
GM said it would appeal the decision of the Fulton County State Court jury. "We believe the verdict is incorrect," said GM spokesman Ed Lechtzin.
The GM truck involved in the crash is also the subject of a federal safety investigation. Consumer groups say that those cases involve at least 300 deaths, a number GM denies.
fyi, artikel ini tertanggal Friday, February 5, 1993
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In December 1994, federal safety regulators--in exchange for a GM payment of $51 million for safety programs--dropped an investigation that could have led to a recall.
But the deal did nothing about the millions of trucks still on the road. Since the settlement, at least 65 people are believed to have burned to death in crashes of the old full-size pickups, according to a Times analysis of data from the Fatal Accident Reporting System, a U.S. government database.
Since the trucks were introduced in the 1970s, at least 725 people have burned to death in fuel fires triggered by C/K crashes, according to FARS data. The body count distinguishes the pickups, from a fire risk standpoint, as the most dangerous vehicles ever put on the road, according to safety groups, crash victims and their lawyers.
Gila...GM emang top banget...saking topnya sampe bangkrut Gak pernah bikin mati or injured orang sepanjang sejarahnya!
maskopat wrote:fyi, artikel ini tertanggal Friday, February 5, 1993
Betul, soalnya ada yg merasa GM perusahaan suci yg gak pernah bikin kematian atau injury. Malah sampe skrg masih ada kasusnya, tapi semua hangus karena perusahaannya udah bangkrut
Toyota di bilang bikin mati berapa org? 52? Kalo lebih dari TUJUH RATUS gimana?
maskopat wrote:fyi, artikel ini tertanggal Friday, February 5, 1993
Betul, soalnya ada yg merasa GM perusahaan suci yg gak pernah bikin kematian atau injury. Malah sampe skrg masih ada kasusnya, tapi semua hangus karena perusahaannya udah bangkrut
Toyota di bilang bikin mati berapa org? 52? Kalo lebih dari TUJUH RATUS gimana?
wah om, ane cuman menyampaikan berita di artikel. time stamp akan memudahkan pemirsa untuk membayangkan waktu kejadian...
satu lagi, kayaknya lagi membicarakan lebih baik dan lebih buruk deh.. bukan perusahaan suci...
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Red and Gold
Lime Green
Captivated wrote:
hahahaha.... emg gw pikirin! keburukan GM ga bakal bikin Toyota menjadi baik
n seburuk2nya GM, masih lbh buruk toyota :
- jual killer car
- hire ex-NHTSA staf buat nutupin kasus2
- byr karyawan < UMR
- udah dituntut car owners-nya, dituntut pula ama shareholders-nya.... ASTAGANAGA !!!
ini ibarat org2 yg dulu jatuh cintrong ama Toyota, kini rame2 mau mukul gara2 dikhianati.... ckckckck
tp tetep, cinta mrk msh kalah jauh ama cinta om FM thd Toyota... die harder gitu loh
Ooo...baru di tuntut ama shareholder...kalo yg udah settle gimana?
GM Settles Class-Action 401(k) Suit
January 17, 2008 General Motors Corp. avoided further litigation when it agreed Tuesday, January 15, to settle for $37.5 million a class-action lawsuit filed by 401(k) plan participants who suffered huge losses after GM shares fell sharply.
Canadian dealers file suit against GM
Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:12pm EST
TORONTO (Reuters) - More than 200 former General Motors' dealers from across Canada filed a C$750 million ($714 million) lawsuit on Thursday against the auto giant, nearly a year after they were terminated as part of the multibillion-dollar government bailout of the company.
Kocak bener nih...
1. gembor2 mobil org lain direcall, Captiva di recall
2. gembor2 bilang Toyota bikin killer car, GM bunuh 700 orang...itu baru satu kasus, belon yg lainnya
3. gembor2 Toyota di tuntut shareholder, GM di tuntut DEALER nya sendiri! ASTAGANAGAAAAAA
Susah, pecinta Daewoo die hard - kalo org yg tau GM dari dulu sih malu gembor2 ngawur
Captivated wrote:weleh2... kasus di Indonesia, selain rav4 ternyata fortuner jg (yg diduga) ikut2an ngacir sndiri
ngeri juga, walo kita bukan drivernya tp klo kita yg ditabrak kan ga lucu banget
GM Daewoo has announced a recall of the Chevrolet Captiva and the Chevrolet Cruze – we’re talking about a total of nearly 60,000 units. Of that number, 45 957 are Captivas while 12,604 are Cruzes. The Cruze is being recalled to correct defective fuel hoses while the Captiva issue involves steering wheels that can become detached. Apparently the steering column and steering intermediate shaft on some Captivas were not fully connected.
ASTAGANAGAAAAAAAA...BISA COPOT SETIRNYA!
Sebenernya ane gak nyukurin Captiva kena recall, peduli juga kaga...ngapain juga ane mikirin Daewoo - cuman lucu aja Fortuner gak ada urusan dgn recall...di tiup2 juga. Very funny. Besok ada Dyno nabrak dibilang ngacir sendiri juga ya - jangan lupa pake kata "diduga" biar gak terlalu ketara niat fitnahnya ok?
FortunerMan wrote:
Nggak ada yg lebih buruk dari perusahaan bangkrut, terkenal pembuat produk buruk :p killer car? Yakin GM gak pernah bikin mati org? Gak pernah bikin injury?
Ooo...baru tau ane share price jatuh lebih buruk daripada bangkrut Coba tanya shareholder "old GM" Kuliah dimana dulu mas?
pasar naik turun itu biasa, yg bikin jd tdk biasa :
At least three proposed class-action lawsuits filed by Toyota investors say the company gave false initial assurances that the sudden acceleration problem was a simple matter of floor mats trapping gas pedals, helping prop up the stock price.
The shareholder cases are part of an avalanche of potentially costly lawsuits against Toyota Motor Corp. over the acceleration issue, including those filed by crash victims and their families and those brought by Toyota owners contending their vehicles are worth far less because of the recalls.
The investor lawsuits say Toyota spread misleading information through press releases, conference calls with stock analysts and TV interviews to assure stockholders and the public that the accelerator problem was easily fixed or might be the driver's fault.
Instead, the lawsuits contend, top Toyota executives have known for nearly a decade that faulty electronic throttle controls caused vehicles to sometimes careen wildly out of control but covered it up to protect the company's reputation for safety  and its stock price. The company has not issued any recalls involving flaws in the electronic throttles and has repeatedly denied they are the problem.
FortunerMan wrote:
Ooo...kok GM gak ada di admired companies tahun 2006? 2007? gak ada juga Tanya kenapa...kok perusahaan yg suci dan pembuat produk2 berkualitas dan tidak pernah bikin injury atau death bisa bobrok dan BANGKRUT
Jury Finds GM Negligent in Fuel Tank Case
By Warren Brown
The Washington Post
An Atlanta jury Thursday ordered General Motors Corp. to pay $105.2 million to the parents of a Georgia teenager who died in the fiery crash of a GM pickup truck in 1989.
The jury found GM guilty of negligence and awarded $101 million in punitive damages and $4.2 million in compensatory damages to Thomas and Elaine Moseley, parents of Shannon Moseley, the 17-year-old killed in the accident.
The case, one of hundreds involving controversial side-mounted fuel tanks, is likely to reignite the volatile debate over product liability, with corporations denouncing the size of jury awards and consumer groups arguing that big damage awards make businesses accountable for their mistakes.
GM said it would appeal the decision of the Fulton County State Court jury. "We believe the verdict is incorrect," said GM spokesman Ed Lechtzin.
The GM truck involved in the crash is also the subject of a federal safety investigation. Consumer groups say that those cases involve at least 300 deaths, a number GM denies.
1. silakan dicari dmn ane prnh blg : GM perusahaan suci, tdk prnh bikin injury..... wkwkwkwk
2. msh dr artikel tsb...
Moseley's 1985 GMC Sierra pickup was struck from the side by another vehicle operated by a drunken driver, according to court records.
GM's attorneys argued that Moseley was hit by a drunken driver moving at 70 mph and that the company could not be expected to build a fuel system that could withstand that kind of impact.
ooooo jadi klo ada mbl terbakar krn dihajar mbl laen dgn kec. > 110kmh dr samping, itu krn mbl-nya "pembunuh" ya?
klo ada sedan digilas ama tronton, berarti sedannya yg "membunuh" drivernya? ilmu baru ini.....
klo ada mbl yg ga digas tp ngcir sndiri, direm kaga brenti2, sampe bs nabrak mbl2 laen... itu lbh bagus dr kasus diatas ya?
ckckckck... artikel 1993 dibawa, ga ada yg lbh tua?.......... jaman 40-50an mgkn? kan jaman ledak2an kan tuh
1993 mbl bermasalah, apakah 2010 msh bermasalah juga?
thn 70-an mbl2 jepang dianggap apa di amrik? "CRAP" !!!
kekekekek
GM Daewoo has announced a recall of the Chevrolet Captiva and the Chevrolet Cruze – we’re talking about a total of nearly 60,000 units. Of that number, 45 957 are Captivas while 12,604 are Cruzes. The Cruze is being recalled to correct defective fuel hoses while the Captiva issue involves steering wheels that can become detached. Apparently the steering column and steering intermediate shaft on some Captivas were not fully connected.
ASTAGANAGAAAAAAAA...BISA COPOT SETIRNYA!
Sebenernya ane gak nyukurin Captiva kena recall, peduli juga kaga...ngapain juga ane mikirin Daewoo - cuman lucu aja Fortuner gak ada urusan dgn recall...di tiup2 juga. Very funny. Besok ada Dyno nabrak dibilang ngacir sendiri juga ya - jangan lupa pake kata "diduga" biar gak terlalu ketara niat fitnahnya ok?
loh... bukan gw yg blg, gw cm merepro apa kata okezone. mknya gw sebut "yg diduga"
Out Of Control, Pengemudi Fortuner Dilarikan ke RS
Jum'at, 12 Maret 2010 - 10:22 wib
Lusi Catur Mahgriefie - Okezone
JAKARTA - Sebuah mobil Toyota Fortuner mengalami out of control (lepas kendali) di jalan layang Karet, Jakarta Pusat, ke arah barat. Akibatnya, pengemudi harus dilarikan ke rumah sakit.
Seperti dilansir situs TMC Polda Metro Jaya, Jumat (12/3/2010), peristiwa ini terjadi sekira pukul 10.00 WIB.
“Akibat peristiwa ini salah seorang sopir mengalami luka serius,†ujar petugas TMC, Bripka Yuswantoro.
Dia mengatakan, saat itu mobil Toyota Fortuner bernopol B 1280 TJA sedang menanjak di jalan layang karet arah barat, tiba-tiba mobil Fortuner tersebut lepas kendali.
Saat ini petugas telah mengamankan kendaraan tersebut menggunakan kendaraan derek, dan membawa sopir ke rumah sakit terdekat guna mendapatkan pertolongan medis.
Mengenai arus lalu lintas sekitar, terpantau hingga kini masih tersendat.
FortunerMan wrote:
Nggak ada yg lebih buruk dari perusahaan bangkrut, terkenal pembuat produk buruk :p killer car? Yakin GM gak pernah bikin mati org? Gak pernah bikin injury?
Ooo...baru tau ane share price jatuh lebih buruk daripada bangkrut Coba tanya shareholder "old GM" Kuliah dimana dulu mas?
pasar naik turun itu biasa, yg bikin jd tdk biasa :
At least three proposed class-action lawsuits filed by Toyota investors say the company gave false initial assurances that the sudden acceleration problem was a simple matter of floor mats trapping gas pedals, helping prop up the stock price.
The shareholder cases are part of an avalanche of potentially costly lawsuits against Toyota Motor Corp. over the acceleration issue, including those filed by crash victims and their families and those brought by Toyota owners contending their vehicles are worth far less because of the recalls.
The investor lawsuits say Toyota spread misleading information through press releases, conference calls with stock analysts and TV interviews to assure stockholders and the public that the accelerator problem was easily fixed or might be the driver's fault.
Instead, the lawsuits contend, top Toyota executives have known for nearly a decade that faulty electronic throttle controls caused vehicles to sometimes careen wildly out of control but covered it up to protect the company's reputation for safety  and its stock price. The company has not issued any recalls involving flaws in the electronic throttles and has repeatedly denied they are the problem.
GM Settles Class-Action 401(k) Suit
General Motors Corp. avoided further litigation when it agreed Tuesday, January 15, to settle for $37.5 million a class-action lawsuit filed by 401(k) plan participants who suffered huge losses after GM shares fell sharply.
The suit was filed in 2005 after Detroit-based GM’s shares plunged 75 percent, causing GM employees and retirees to suffer substantial financial losses in their 401(k) plans. The agreement enforces changes that GM has already made to its 401(k) plans, which includes GM no longer matching employees’ salary deferrals with GM stock or requiring employees to invest some of their own 401(k) plan contributions in GM common stock.
Several charges were filed against GM in the suit, including that it “breached fiduciary duties in violation of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974†and “failed to provide participants with complete and accurate information regarding stocks and the true risks of investing,†according to court documents.
Makanya jangan sibuk jelek2in merek lain aja, baca dulu sejarah GM Kalo ini emang ente gak tau, bukan pura2 gak tau. Makanya jangan taunya Daewoo aja
FortunerMan wrote:
Ooo...kok GM gak ada di admired companies tahun 2006? 2007? gak ada juga Tanya kenapa...kok perusahaan yg suci dan pembuat produk2 berkualitas dan tidak pernah bikin injury atau death bisa bobrok dan BANGKRUT
Jury Finds GM Negligent in Fuel Tank Case
By Warren Brown
The Washington Post
An Atlanta jury Thursday ordered General Motors Corp. to pay $105.2 million to the parents of a Georgia teenager who died in the fiery crash of a GM pickup truck in 1989.
The jury found GM guilty of negligence and awarded $101 million in punitive damages and $4.2 million in compensatory damages to Thomas and Elaine Moseley, parents of Shannon Moseley, the 17-year-old killed in the accident.
The case, one of hundreds involving controversial side-mounted fuel tanks, is likely to reignite the volatile debate over product liability, with corporations denouncing the size of jury awards and consumer groups arguing that big damage awards make businesses accountable for their mistakes.
GM said it would appeal the decision of the Fulton County State Court jury. "We believe the verdict is incorrect," said GM spokesman Ed Lechtzin.
The GM truck involved in the crash is also the subject of a federal safety investigation. Consumer groups say that those cases involve at least 300 deaths, a number GM denies.
1. silakan dicari dmn ane prnh blg : GM perusahaan suci, tdk prnh bikin injury..... wkwkwkwk
2. msh dr artikel tsb...
Moseley's 1985 GMC Sierra pickup was struck from the side by another vehicle operated by a drunken driver, according to court records.
GM's attorneys argued that Moseley was hit by a drunken driver moving at 70 mph and that the company could not be expected to build a fuel system that could withstand that kind of impact.
ooooo jadi klo ada mbl terbakar krn dihajar mbl laen dgn kec. > 110kmh dr samping, itu krn mbl-nya "pembunuh" ya?
klo ada sedan digilas ama tronton, berarti sedannya yg "membunuh" drivernya? ilmu baru ini.....
klo ada mbl yg ga digas tp ngcir sndiri, direm kaga brenti2, sampe bs nabrak mbl2 laen... itu lbh bagus dr kasus diatas ya?
ckckckck... artikel 1993 dibawa, ga ada yg lbh tua?.......... jaman 40-50an mgkn? kan jaman ledak2an kan tuh
1993 mbl bermasalah, apakah 2010 msh bermasalah juga?
thn 70-an mbl2 jepang dianggap apa di amrik? "CRAP" !!!
kekekekek
Katanya Toyota killer car? GM udah bunuh 300 orang, 700 orang, Toyota 52 org. Siapa yg killer car? itung aja berapa kali lipet tuh? Sampai skrg pun masih ada lawsuit terhadap GM, cuman HANGUS karena GM BANGKRUT.
GM Daewoo has announced a recall of the Chevrolet Captiva and the Chevrolet Cruze – we’re talking about a total of nearly 60,000 units. Of that number, 45 957 are Captivas while 12,604 are Cruzes. The Cruze is being recalled to correct defective fuel hoses while the Captiva issue involves steering wheels that can become detached. Apparently the steering column and steering intermediate shaft on some Captivas were not fully connected.
ASTAGANAGAAAAAAAA...BISA COPOT SETIRNYA!
Sebenernya ane gak nyukurin Captiva kena recall, peduli juga kaga...ngapain juga ane mikirin Daewoo - cuman lucu aja Fortuner gak ada urusan dgn recall...di tiup2 juga. Very funny. Besok ada Dyno nabrak dibilang ngacir sendiri juga ya - jangan lupa pake kata "diduga" biar gak terlalu ketara niat fitnahnya ok?
loh... bukan gw yg blg, gw cm merepro apa kata okezone. mknya gw sebut "yg diduga"
Out Of Control, Pengemudi Fortuner Dilarikan ke RS
Jum'at, 12 Maret 2010 - 10:22 wib
Lusi Catur Mahgriefie - Okezone
JAKARTA - Sebuah mobil Toyota Fortuner mengalami out of control (lepas kendali) di jalan layang Karet, Jakarta Pusat, ke arah barat. Akibatnya, pengemudi harus dilarikan ke rumah sakit.
Seperti dilansir situs TMC Polda Metro Jaya, Jumat (12/3/2010), peristiwa ini terjadi sekira pukul 10.00 WIB.
“Akibat peristiwa ini salah seorang sopir mengalami luka serius,†ujar petugas TMC, Bripka Yuswantoro.
Dia mengatakan, saat itu mobil Toyota Fortuner bernopol B 1280 TJA sedang menanjak di jalan layang karet arah barat, tiba-tiba mobil Fortuner tersebut lepas kendali.
Saat ini petugas telah mengamankan kendaraan tersebut menggunakan kendaraan derek, dan membawa sopir ke rumah sakit terdekat guna mendapatkan pertolongan medis.
Mengenai arus lalu lintas sekitar, terpantau hingga kini masih tersendat.
klo mo komplen, sono ama okezone.....
Mana hasil investigation Polisinya? Lepas kendalinya karena apa? Kalo dia terlalu ngebut emang tidak bisa lepas kendali ya? Ada nggak di artikel diatas bilang itu karena kasus sudden acceleration seperti di Amerika?
Ngapain ane komplen ke okezone, articlenya hanya melaporkan kecelakaan. Yg menghubung2kan ke kasus recall ngacir sendiri adalah ente. Fitnah itu tidak baik mas gak diajarin ya di SD? Kualat kan malah Captiva yg recall mau COPOT SETIRNYA..."ASTAGANAGAaaaaaa"
Harus hati2 nih kalo liat Captiva di jalanan...ntar tiba2 copot setirnya cilaka ane
penyubali wrote:Sorry Bros, but this discussions are getting lame and more and more childish..lbh baik diskusi yg lbh konstruktif aja..
Yah gimana ya om, kalo ada org yg kerjaannya tiap hari cari2 kejelekan merek lain - terpaksa lah dikasi sejarah merek dia (yg jauh lebih busuk). Biar ngaca dikit gitu. Apanya yg mau konstruktif?
Fortuner gak ada urusan ama recall Toyota aja di ikut2in Eh taunya Captiva kena recall setir bisa copot! No offense buat Captiva owners yg lain...cuman lucu aja, niat fitnah Fortuner malah tiba2 keluar berita Captiva kena recall. Om penyubali punya Captiva pernah i ganggu tak? Gak kan?
Setuju tidak konstruktif, memang tidak ada niat konstruktif - ya balesannya tidak konstruktif juga.
penyubali wrote:Sorry Bros, but this discussions are getting lame and more and more childish..lbh baik diskusi yg lbh konstruktif aja..
Yah gimana ya om, kalo ada org yg kerjaannya tiap hari cari2 kejelekan merek lain - terpaksa lah dikasi sejarah merek dia (yg jauh lebih busuk). Biar ngaca dikit gitu. Apanya yg mau konstruktif?
Fortuner gak ada urusan ama recall Toyota aja di ikut2in Eh taunya Captiva kena recall setir bisa copot! No offense buat Captiva owners yg lain...cuman lucu aja, niat fitnah Fortuner malah tiba2 keluar berita Captiva kena recall. Om penyubali punya Captiva pernah i ganggu tak? Gak kan?
Setuju tidak konstruktif, memang tidak ada niat konstruktif - ya balesannya tidak konstruktif juga.
bukannya di tret ini kita bahas toyota? trus akhirnya malah ngumbar merk lain karena sesuatu dan lain hal?
sudah jelas di judul tret... kalo mau, buka tret tentang GM...
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Red and Gold
Lime Green
penyubali wrote:Sorry Bros, but this discussions are getting lame and more and more childish..lbh baik diskusi yg lbh konstruktif aja..
Yah gimana ya om, kalo ada org yg kerjaannya tiap hari cari2 kejelekan merek lain - terpaksa lah dikasi sejarah merek dia (yg jauh lebih busuk). Biar ngaca dikit gitu. Apanya yg mau konstruktif?
Fortuner gak ada urusan ama recall Toyota aja di ikut2in Eh taunya Captiva kena recall setir bisa copot! No offense buat Captiva owners yg lain...cuman lucu aja, niat fitnah Fortuner malah tiba2 keluar berita Captiva kena recall. Om penyubali punya Captiva pernah i ganggu tak? Gak kan?
Setuju tidak konstruktif, memang tidak ada niat konstruktif - ya balesannya tidak konstruktif juga.
bukannya di tret ini kita bahas toyota? trus akhirnya malah ngumbar merk lain karena sesuatu dan lain hal?
sudah jelas di judul tret... kalo mau, buka tret tentang GM...
Kalo mau ngebahas recall Toyota, tentu Fortuner tidak ikut2an. Kenyataannya? Motifnya udah ketahuan banget. Kalo mau ngebahas recall Toyota, tentu tidak ada urusan dengan labor practices Toyota. Kenyataannya?
Kalo dikasi sejarah GM yg jauh lebih busuk, bisa dipake buat kasi gambaran - bagaimana perusahaan lain menghandle recall2nya?
Kalo mau bilang Toyota bikin "Killer Cars" yg mematikan 52 org...bagaimana yg bikin 300an org mati (GM trucks)? Apa jadinya "Mass murderer"?
Bro, RAV yg V6 emang bagus sebagai soft offroader. Kenapa harus heran?
Bukannya saya udah bilang di depan toyota daihatsu lagi murah meriah sampai jadi semurah telur? Jadi kapan nih belinya? Lumayan lho Camry yg baru ini.........
Kalo ini emang ente gak tau, bukan pura2 gak tau. Makanya jangan taunya Daewoo aja 
