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Ttg investigasi ke Corolla/Matrix itu... http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/07/nhts ... corolla-m/ sebenernya gak heboh2 amat...cuman mobil thn 2006 mogok
It's important to note that about 397,000 vehicles are covered by the review, and that only 26 complaints have been lodged (that works out to about one in every 15,000 vehicles).
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ngomong2 problem,temen saya di Bali lagi manas2in saya supaya bareng2 minta ganti rugi ke Toyota. mirip Innova saya (http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... =8&t=11897), punya dia remnya juga ngunci saat dipakai jalan.

dia lagi di jalanan berliku antara Tabanan - Jembrana, rem ngunci, mobil oleng, akhirnya melintir dan terguling.
semobil bertiga, temen2 saya semua. untungnya seluruh penumpang pake seatbelt, jadi selamat deh.
kata temen saya, pihak Toyota di Bali ngotot itu kesalahan pengemudi.
padahal dia yakin bener, mobilnya hilang kendali gara2 rem ngunci.

karena tau saya punya masalah serupa, dia mengajak untuk ngomong ke Toyota.
cuma saya males, karena saya sudah nerima saja kalau masalah yg sy hadapi dgn Innova bukan kesalahan pabrik.
bukti tidak ada, nanti2nya kalau berbuntut panjang malah jadi merembet ke kasus pencemaran nama baik malah berabe.

ya begitu deh...
kita hidup di negara yg perlindungan konsumennya belum sempurna.
lebih baik jaga diri masing2 saja.

GTR wrote:kalo di indo, pernah ada artikel camry Q bermasalah yg masih misteri;
Pada KM 5000 rem tidak berfungsi dengan baik setir bergetar. Saya harus klaim lagi ke Auto 2000 Daan Mogot. Akhirnya disc brake diganti. Pada KM 10.000 rem tidak berfungsi dengan baik lagi. Disc brake diganti lagi dan kanvas rem. Apakah normal KM 10.000 harus ganti kanvas rem? Atau memang standar Toyota seperti itu?
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Om fortunerman bener2 Toyota Lover ya, selalu gak terima kl ada yg jelek2in Toyota :mrgreen:
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Biasa aja...sebenernya suka mainin org yg suka sirik/anti sama merek aja. Ada yg anti-Jepang, anti-Toyota, anti-Honda, lucu2 bentuk manusia. Semua juga saya belain kalo ada bau2 sentimennya. Liat aja contoh Freed di sebelah.

Kalo yg bener2 punya mobil bermasalah seperti mintblue gak pernah saya ganggu - tapi kalo yg sentimen ngawur seperti si mpvlover sih, paling doyan ane mainin. Oknumnya itu2 aja kok...
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momod GTR

soal ini ya, kebetulan kemarin liat cover mag nya...
http://www.economist.com/printedition/d ... sc=twitter

"Toyota slips up

Dec 10th 2009
From The Economist print edition
What the world’s biggest carmaker can learn from other corporate turnarounds

Alamy


LESS than two years ago Toyota swept past an ailing General Motors (GM) to become the world’s biggest carmaker. Now its newly installed boss, Akio Toyoda, the 53-year-old grandson of the founder, says that the firm could be locked in a spiral of decline. Toyota is still a hugely formidable company, and some within the industry (and inside Toyota itself) believe that Mr Toyoda may be overstating the case. Yet there is no shortage of signs that all is not well (see article).

Toyota’s story has implications beyond the motor industry, for it is not just a car company; it is the model for manufacturing excellence whose “lean” techniques have been copied by countless firms. How it slipped up—and how it may right itself—carries lessons for others.
Falling giants

Although some of its rivals, notably Volkswagen of Germany and Hyundai of South Korea, have come through the terrible past year relatively unscathed, Toyota’s market-share has either fallen or been flat in every region in which it operates except Japan—a market that was shrinking well before the crisis struck. In America, its biggest and normally most profitable market, Toyota has been plagued by highly publicised recalls that have raised embarrassing questions about the safety of its vehicles. In China, India and Brazil, the big emerging markets that will provide nearly all the industry’s future growth, Toyota has been slow off the mark. Its lead in hybrid technology is under threat as other big carmakers scramble to bring low- and zero-emission vehicles to market before low-carbon legislation bites. Astonishingly, in the first three months of 2009 it made an even bigger loss than GM, which was then on the verge of bankruptcy. Underlying all these problems is an uncomfortable truth: Toyota’s rivals have now caught up. They now offer cars that are just as reliable but far more exciting than the rather dull vehicles Toyota has concentrated on producing in ever-larger numbers."
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maju aja bro mintblue.....gak usah takut...... kayak prita....nanti kita dukung dana juga pake coil....eh coin. Gw banyak coin game nih....
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abrof wrote:maju aja bro mintblue.....gak usah takut...... kayak prita....nanti kita dukung dana juga pake coil....eh coin. Gw banyak coin game nih....
@FortunerMan : trims ya sudah dilihat jernih permasalahannya. sy jg sebenernya kurang senang nimbrung di forum2 diskusi, habis forum2 yg sy pantau biasanya jd menjelek2kan merek/brand (mis: di forum fotografi malah meributkan nikon vs canon, bukan gimana caranya motret yg bagus). krmn itu mau curhat saja... habis tdk bernyali komplain lewat media massa, sy sadar posisi sy lemah.
sy sebenarnya mania Toyota. Alm. ayah sy sejak Hiace minibus thn 80-an sdh beli Toyota. eh, mertua sy kebetulan jg selalu beli Toyota. ya itulah, mungkin krn sdh berpuluh thn merasakan kehebatan mobil2 Toyota ada rasa nggak enak hati jg klo gr2 problem skrng sampai melebar ke mana2. sy sudah komplain resmi ke TAM,sy rasa cukup. yg penting pabrikannya tahu...

@abrof: wah, sy gak setabah bu prita... :big_slap: beraninya sebatas curhat di forum anonim spt ini, hehehehe klo pengen dukung, nanti lihat perkembangan temen sy yg di bali itu tuh. yg terbalik gara2 remnya ngunci.
klo dia perkarain terus mungkin lebih butuh uang koinnya :big_peace:
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gw mo nyumbang mur baut aja deh.. :big_slap:
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@Mintblue : Wah jalur Tabanan itu maut juga ya. Long long ago, waktu SMA, temenku juga nyungsep di sana. Untung ketahan pohon, kalau nggak .....

Emang susah membuktikan binding brakes tuh. Tapi kalau waktu kecelakaan semua tercatat oleh om polisi, terutama skid tracknya. Kemudian difoto gimana kronologis jatuhnya ..... bisa aja. Secara cara ngguling saat kecepatan konstan, akselerasi dan saat deselerasi beda.
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kalo ane rasa... kasus nya temen bro mintblue dan kasus bro mintblue sendiri itu bisa koq dimasukin ke suara pembaca, baik media cetak atau inet... tapi yah jgn kaya si prita jg cara penulisan nya... itu sama aja nyari ribut ama pihak kedua... tapi bro mintblue dan teman nya bisa menjelaskan dgn detail kronologi kejadian nya... lalu jelasin jg tindakan apa aja yg uda dilakukan oleh pihak toyota... nah jadi walaupun seandainya pihak toyota ga kluarin tindakan respon apapun, at least masyarakat ada aware akan masalah ini... nah jadi di kemudian hari kalo ada kasus serupa, ente2 yg punya problem yg sama ini uda kuat bukti2 nya...
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dari pengalaman, ga semua orang tulis ke surat pembaca, makanya banyak tips2 lahir diluar pabrikan.
Kijang kapsul versi awal dulu ada yg degradasi performa rem / kepanasan, berasap tipis di roda depan saat agresif menuruni turunan curam pegunungan, tidak terjadi lagi setelah penggantian pad.

Di sirion, tips semacam ini bisa juga karena pemiliknya sudah lelah, & bukan lahir dari mediasi surat pembaca, ternyata pin kaliper memang oblak :
http://www.otomotifnet.com/otoweb/index ... 0/1/7/6141

Di yaris, ada yg fitting/plate discbrake-pad "tidak ngeplak pas" dengan dudukan di kalipernya.

mungkin sumber masalah2 seperti ini berasal dari vendor, aisin. kalo kita belanja master rem, sampe2 pedagang spareparts langganan minta kita pilih yg presisi, aisin ori jepang; jangan yg bikinan aisin ori negara lainnya <= bener ga nih om dal...
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DOHC wrote:kalo ane rasa... kasus nya temen bro mintblue dan kasus bro mintblue sendiri itu bisa koq dimasukin ke suara pembaca, baik media cetak atau inet... tapi yah jgn kaya si prita jg cara penulisan nya... itu sama aja nyari ribut ama pihak kedua... tapi bro mintblue dan teman nya bisa menjelaskan dgn detail kronologi kejadian nya... lalu jelasin jg tindakan apa aja yg uda dilakukan oleh pihak toyota... nah jadi walaupun seandainya pihak toyota ga kluarin tindakan respon apapun, at least masyarakat ada aware akan masalah ini... nah jadi di kemudian hari kalo ada kasus serupa, ente2 yg punya problem yg sama ini uda kuat bukti2 nya...
Setuju, masukin aja surat pembaca jadi mereka gak lengah dan/atau pongah. Memang tidak ada perusahaan yg sempurna - jangankan perusahaan raksasa dengan penjualan ntah berapa dgn jumlah produk ntah berapa, bisnis/toko secuil pun kadang bikin sebel. Makin banyak penjualan, akan makin banyak defect. Penjualan Innova aja berapa ribu sebulan - pastinya tidak akan sempurna. Maju terus!
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kalo baca defect product gini miris ya... gak kebayang kalo kita yang ngalami.. hiks...
gimana cara yang terbaik untuk membuka komunikasi antara kita (sebagai pengguna) dengan produsen (ATPM)?

ane yakin, sebagian dari kita yang komplen bukan dengan maksud menyalahkan ATPM itu koq. tapi minta mobilnya diperbaiki dengan "sempurna". juga agar menjadi feedback bagi ATPM untuk memperbaiki designnya di batch berikutnya..

yah, semoga produk2 berikutnya jadi lebih baik... :e-pray:
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@FM,
kira2 dengan kasus di amrik ini, gimana dengan penjualan toyota/lexus di sana? apakah berpengaruh cukup signifikan ya?
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masih berlanjut nih...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100127/ap_ ... ota_recall

Toyota halts US sales of Camry, 7 other models
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maskopat wrote:@FM,
kira2 dengan kasus di amrik ini, gimana dengan penjualan toyota/lexus di sana? apakah berpengaruh cukup signifikan ya?
Signifikan...naiknya :P

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/2 ... 37769.html
Toyota sold more than 34,000 Camrys in December, making the midsize sedan America's best-selling car. It commands 3.4 percent of the U.S. market and sales rose 38 percent from a year earlier. Sales of the Corolla and Matrix, a small sedan and a hatchback, totaled 34,220 last month, making up 3.3 percent of the market and sales up nearly 55 percent from December of 2008.
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bener om.. gak ngaruh bagi penjualan toyota. :frm_tumbright:
ternyata konsumen masih percaya.. :frm_salut:
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kalo mnurut ane sigh karena konsumen disana uda terbiasa dgn kata "recall"... malah memberikan apresiasi thd "kejujuran dan tanggung jawab" atpm atas produk mereka yg bermasalah... makanya kaga ngaruh ama penjualan nya
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Data penjualannya buat 2009, berita recallnya hari ini.
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asudarsono wrote:Data penjualannya buat 2009, berita recallnya hari ini.
Kasus2 nya udah lama om, udah ada recall (yg lebih besar) sebelumnya.

Dan juga, Car and Driver mengadakan tes apakah rem Camry/Lexus cukup kuat untuk menahan laju mesin
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09 ... -tech_dept
With the Camry’s throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet—that’s a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry’s throttle closed. From 100 mph, the stopping-distance differential was 88 feet—noticeable to be sure, but the car still slowed enthusiastically enough to impart a feeling of confidence. We also tried one go-for-broke run at 120 mph, and, even then, the car quickly decelerated to about 10 mph before the brakes got excessively hot and the car refused to decelerate any further. So even in the most extreme case, it should be possible to get a car’s speed down to a point where a resulting accident should be a low-speed and relatively minor event.
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In the end, though, we found no major deficiencies with the Camry’s ability to defuse an unintended-acceleration situation. But the No. 1 automaker could learn a few lessons from the competition here—namely a throttle cutoff and a more responsive push-button ignition.
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yang jadi pertanyaan ane, kenapa harus sampe menyetop produksi dan penjualan ya? :e-think:
kalo gak salah, kasusnya udah 3-4 bulan. penjualan tetap tinggi, dan dibuktikan rem tetap berfungsi walau masih full throttle dan tiba2 keluar berita ini... :e-think:

btw, recall yang dilakukan apakah sudah melakukan perbaikan total? atau sekedar perbaikan sementara ya?
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/the- ... -ready-to/
Well, the fix is in, so to speak, as Automotive News reports that affected Toyota plants are now gearing up to receive replacement accelerator pedal mechanisms. A Toyota spokesperson confirmed to the industry paper that the supplier responsible for manufacturing the parts, CTS Corporation, has finished developing a replacement mechanism and that some units have already been shipped to plants, though the amount and which plants received have them is unknown. The factories will likely still shut down from February 1–5 in order to keep inventory in check, but having the replacement assemblies now will help ensure they're in the pipeline when production of each model resumes.
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dilihat dari modelnya, ternyata Camry yg di negara2 ASEAN (tmsk Indonesia) beda dgn Camry Amrik yg diributin ini ya?
katanya klo Camry ASEAN = Toyota Aurion di Australia,
sedangkan Camry Australia = Camry Amrik. lieuer euy :e-think:

jadi kita berpikir positif ajah, Camry di Indonesia beda banget sama yg di Amrik, jadi nggak usah khawatir ada defect. begitu ya?

lagipula sy kelasnya baru Kijang,blum Camry. Mdh2an pedal akselerator Innova nggak sama kayak yg dipakai Camry Amrik, hehehe (''Ge-er banget,'' kata Toyota;masak Kijang lu disamain ama Camry) :big_slap: :big_slap:
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^ kalo mnrt Product Planning Department PT Toyota-Astra Motor (TAM) Bansar Maduma, pedal gas camry di indo beda dgn amrik
indo : pedal gantung
amrik : pedal gas yang model linknya di bawah, menyatu dengan lantai kabin.

http://oto.detik.com/read/2010/01/27/14 ... lebih-aman


tp kalo lht di gbr dibwh, beda ga ama camry indo? :e-think:
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/photos ... _ns_1.html
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Kok ngawur ya tuh org TAM, justru yg pedal gantung yg bisa nyangkut di karpet. Kalo linknya menyatu dengan lantai kabin mana mungkin karpet nyelip dibawahnya?

Wong solusinya di Amerika cuman dikasi pedal yg lebih pendek kok (malah solusi sementaranya pedal gas di kikis), berarti kan sama aja kaya model Indonesia, link di atas :P
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/19/repo ... ed-accele/
Inside Line and Kyodo News are reporting that Toyota may be close to announcing that they will shorten the gas pedal of the four million vehicles affected by the recall.
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Menurut ane sih sama aja...orang ATPM sih asal ngemeng aja. Belon ada kejadian aja kali di Indonesia...karena rata2 org Indonesia better drivers (bukan more polite ya :P, tapi lebih jago nyetirnya), jadi kalo ada apa2 tinggal pindahin ke N aja beres urusan.