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searching lagi di thread lawas SM:
Nah loh....piye toh iki? Berarti yg pake bardahl jadi korba iklan (atau kebohongan produsen?) yg menyatakan Bardahl aman buat catalytic converter & oxigen sensor.
PenyuTurbo wrote:Octane Booster BARDAHL itu menggunakan MMT (Methylcylcopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl). Yang jadi masalah adalah Manganese ini semacam RACUN untuk Catalytic Converter ... sering disebut dengan istilah Catalyst Poisoning ... lama-kelamaan ... dalam waktu yang relative singkat akan meng-NON-ACTIVE-kan fungsi Catalytic Converter. Unsur-unsur lain yang serupa dengan Manganese adalah Timbal (Lead), Sulphur, Zinc (Seng), Silicone, dan Phosphorus. Kalau CAT (Catalytic Converter) udah Non-Aktif (pensiun) ... ya ... COROLICA nya masuk ke jalur yang Gak Ramah Lingkungan ... itu aja.Danny wrote: tengkyu banget om atas penjelasannya,aku gak bisa bayangin kalo di SM gak ada orang2 yg seprti Om penyu,hehehe
yg sekarang modelnya yg two pieces,nah kalo aku ganti dgn yg one pieces lbh bagus mana hasilnya om?yg 1 pieces ato yg 2 pieces krn aku pengin peak torquenya n max powernya di 7800 RPM,kl HP nya prnah aku dyno test yaitu 190 HP,trus mo nanya tentang masalah BBM,aku sll isi dengan pertamax plus,tp kl sdng "tong-pes"aku isi dgn premium biasa tp aku campurin cairan penaik oktan merk BARDAHL,mesin gak knocking,apakah itu ada efek negatifnya Om?thanx bgt!
Untuk high revv (Top End) ... mendingan makai yang 2 pieces dan dikombinasikan dengan collector yang panjang supaya putaran bawahnya nggak jadi korban. Untuk menggeser dari 7200 ke 7800 cukup membesarkan diameter sebanyak 1/8 inches (3.2 mm) dari diameter yang sekarang terpasang.
Dyno Test 190 HP itu WHP kah ? normal kalau 190 WHP bisa dapet 240 kpj. Tong-Pes ini gara-gara banyak mod kah ? ... hehehehehehehe.
Disamping CAT ... yang akan jadi korban adalah Injectors, Busi dan Oxygen Sensor ... Di USA pun MMT ini ILLEGAL.
Nah loh....piye toh iki? Berarti yg pake bardahl jadi korba iklan (atau kebohongan produsen?) yg menyatakan Bardahl aman buat catalytic converter & oxigen sensor.
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sukuurr gw belum pake......padahal baru beli 3 botol.......
ato tunggu copot CC dulu baru pake ini barhdal
makin serem ahhh....jadnya utk sementara tetap pake power&clean V-octane..thanks pak imsus...
ato tunggu copot CC dulu baru pake ini barhdal
makin serem ahhh....jadnya utk sementara tetap pake power&clean V-octane..thanks pak imsus...
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lalu, kalau power & clean V-octane itu, bahan aktifnya apa, bro'ss ?...bukan MMT jg kan ?
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hmm... tapi dulu udah setahun lebih pake bardahl pas dicopot CC nya gpp tuh.. gak kotor2 amat juga...
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andy1800 wrote:lalu, kalau power & clean V-octane itu, bahan aktifnya apa, bro'ss ?...bukan MMT jg kan ?
dah gw baca2 di sekujur kemasan kotak dan kemasan botolnya, gak tertulis bahan2nya. MMT jg gak ada di tulis disitu
tapi tertulis dgn tegas disitu, bebas timbal (lead free) dan sangat aman bagi CC..
awas kalo itu PT. alvenjo bohong....


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di sekujur kemasan Bardahl jg nggak ada sebut2 MMT jg kan ?
lalu, drimana dulu itu PPT dpt infonya ya (bahwa Bardhal berbahan aktif MMT) ?
lalu, drimana dulu itu PPT dpt infonya ya (bahwa Bardhal berbahan aktif MMT) ?
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bang Andy, di barhdal ada tertulis koq mengandung MMT..td malem gw pastiin dgn membaca kemasannnya..
dan di kemasannya gak tertulis Lead free ato Safe for clearcoat..lah koq clearcoat?
maksudnya TiDAK ADA tertulis safe for catalityc converter..
dan di kemasannya gak tertulis Lead free ato Safe for clearcoat..lah koq clearcoat?
maksudnya TiDAK ADA tertulis safe for catalityc converter..
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yah.. bahaya donk gw pakai bardahl.. 
udah beberapa kali gw pakai.. hikz..

udah beberapa kali gw pakai.. hikz..

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mgkn mobil tidak ber-cc akan gak pa pa sih...
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cuman kaya nya mangan itu termasuk logam seperti timbal kan?

cuman kaya nya mangan itu termasuk logam seperti timbal kan?
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sama lhar bos..hehe
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Bagaimana bila octane booster yang bertimbal terebut dicampur dengan fuel injector cleaner?
bisa menyelesaikan masalah ato justru berbahaya?
ada yg pernah mencoba?
bisa menyelesaikan masalah ato justru berbahaya?
ada yg pernah mencoba?
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terpaksa lhar kita nunggu ahlinye jelasin nih..hehehe
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Kayaknya kita memerlukan klarifikasi dari para ahli nih... aku juga pake Bardahl di Pulsar 200 ku, sejauh ini oke2 aja sih.. mbuh gimana kalo dipake di mobil ber catalytic converter ya.... Mana bung PenyuTurbo nih ???
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Wah, baru saja saya sedang senang-senangnya merasakan performa CRV pakai bardahl octane booster kok sudah ada berita yang memperihatinkan. Sepertinya CC bikin masalah saja, apa sebaiknya dicopot saja? 

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dicopot sala...(bisa ditimpuk sama enviromentalist)...ga dicopot sala...hehehe
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dapat comment dari EPA , sepertinya disanapun belum jelas apakah MMT safe atau tidak, tapi dari search internet sepertinya para manufacture mobil tetap melarang pengunaan MMT
Comments on the Gasoline Additive MMT (methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl)
MMT is a gasoline octane enhancer produced by the Afton Chemical Corporation (Afton), formerly known as the Ethyl Corporation. MMT is allowed in U.S. gasoline at a level equivalent to 1/32 grams per gallon manganese (gpg Mn).
In its decision on the use of MMT in the U.S., the Agency determined that MMT, added at 1/32 gpg Mn, will not cause or contribute to regulated emissions failures of vehicles. Some have expressed concerns that the use of MMT may harm on-board diagnostic equipment (OBD) which monitors the performance of emissions control devices in the vehicle. As of this time, the Agency believes the data collected is inconclusive with regard to OBD.
Manganese is a neurotoxin and can cause irreversible neurological disease at high levels of inhalation. However, ingested manganese is a required element of the diet at very low levels. There is a concern that the use of manganese additives in gasoline could increase inhalation manganese exposures.
After completing a 1994 risk evaluation on the use of MMT in gasoline, EPA was unable, based on the available data, to determine if there is a risk to the public health from exposure to emissions of MMT gasoline. The Agency stated "Although it is not possible based on the present information to conclude whether specific adverse health effects will be associated with manganese exposures in the vicinity of or exceeding the [estimated safe level over a lifetime of exposure], neither is it possible to conclude that adverse health effects will not be associated with such exposures." This assessment was based upon the level of MMT allowed in U.S. gasoline.
More specifically, modeling indicates that, as a result of MMT use in unleaded gasoline, certain portions of the population may be exposed to levels in the same range as the Reference Concentration (RfC or safe level for a lifetime exposure with an order of magnitude uncertainty). Because the expected exposure is not much higher or much lower than the RfC, a definitive conclusion about risk is impossible to reach. Long-term animal testing and exposure research are needed to more accurately define the risk.
Under Clean Air Act authority to require testing of motor fuels and additives, EPA has required the Afton Corporation to perform testing to help fill data gaps and potentially provide information that would result in a more definitive risk evaluation.
This testing included three health pharmacokinetic (PK) studies and one emission characterization study. Completed final reports for all of these studies have been submitted to EPA. These final reports can be found in the Federal Docket Management System (FDMS) at www.regulations.gov FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Exit EPA disclaimer" identified by docket number EPA-HQ-OAR-2004-0074.
In addition to the already completed tests, the manufacturer is now in the process of developing physiologically-based pharmacokinetic (PBPK) models for manganese which are being derived from data generated from the completed testing. Afton anticipates that these PBPK models will be completed in 2008.
After submission of this additional information, the Agency will study the results. The Agency may then be able to refine its risk evaluation or may ask for further testing based upon the results of the submitted testing and resulting model now being developed, as well as any other available data.
With funding from Afton, Research Triangle Institute (RTI) also completed a study of manganese exposures in Toronto, Canada where MMT is used. The Agency is also evaluating this study to determine what impact it might have on any evaluation of risk associated with use of the additive.
Contact: Joe Sopata, phone: (202) 343-9034, email: [email protected]
Comments on the Gasoline Additive MMT (methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl)
MMT is a gasoline octane enhancer produced by the Afton Chemical Corporation (Afton), formerly known as the Ethyl Corporation. MMT is allowed in U.S. gasoline at a level equivalent to 1/32 grams per gallon manganese (gpg Mn).
In its decision on the use of MMT in the U.S., the Agency determined that MMT, added at 1/32 gpg Mn, will not cause or contribute to regulated emissions failures of vehicles. Some have expressed concerns that the use of MMT may harm on-board diagnostic equipment (OBD) which monitors the performance of emissions control devices in the vehicle. As of this time, the Agency believes the data collected is inconclusive with regard to OBD.
Manganese is a neurotoxin and can cause irreversible neurological disease at high levels of inhalation. However, ingested manganese is a required element of the diet at very low levels. There is a concern that the use of manganese additives in gasoline could increase inhalation manganese exposures.
After completing a 1994 risk evaluation on the use of MMT in gasoline, EPA was unable, based on the available data, to determine if there is a risk to the public health from exposure to emissions of MMT gasoline. The Agency stated "Although it is not possible based on the present information to conclude whether specific adverse health effects will be associated with manganese exposures in the vicinity of or exceeding the [estimated safe level over a lifetime of exposure], neither is it possible to conclude that adverse health effects will not be associated with such exposures." This assessment was based upon the level of MMT allowed in U.S. gasoline.
More specifically, modeling indicates that, as a result of MMT use in unleaded gasoline, certain portions of the population may be exposed to levels in the same range as the Reference Concentration (RfC or safe level for a lifetime exposure with an order of magnitude uncertainty). Because the expected exposure is not much higher or much lower than the RfC, a definitive conclusion about risk is impossible to reach. Long-term animal testing and exposure research are needed to more accurately define the risk.
Under Clean Air Act authority to require testing of motor fuels and additives, EPA has required the Afton Corporation to perform testing to help fill data gaps and potentially provide information that would result in a more definitive risk evaluation.
This testing included three health pharmacokinetic (PK) studies and one emission characterization study. Completed final reports for all of these studies have been submitted to EPA. These final reports can be found in the Federal Docket Management System (FDMS) at www.regulations.gov FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Exit EPA disclaimer" identified by docket number EPA-HQ-OAR-2004-0074.
In addition to the already completed tests, the manufacturer is now in the process of developing physiologically-based pharmacokinetic (PBPK) models for manganese which are being derived from data generated from the completed testing. Afton anticipates that these PBPK models will be completed in 2008.
After submission of this additional information, the Agency will study the results. The Agency may then be able to refine its risk evaluation or may ask for further testing based upon the results of the submitted testing and resulting model now being developed, as well as any other available data.
With funding from Afton, Research Triangle Institute (RTI) also completed a study of manganese exposures in Toronto, Canada where MMT is used. The Agency is also evaluating this study to determine what impact it might have on any evaluation of risk associated with use of the additive.
Contact: Joe Sopata, phone: (202) 343-9034, email: [email protected]
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Kalo gw baca comment diatas sih, kalo kadar MMT 1/32 gram per gallon, diperbolehkan di US dan tdk akan menyebabkan emission failure pd kendaraan. Kandungan MMT di Bardahl brp ya? Soalnya kalo gw liat di botolnya kynya yg ada cuma cara pemakaian doank, ga ada bahan2nya. Bro Abu2 baca disebelah mananya ya......... 

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Kalo aku sih, mending copot CC daripada malah bikin masalah... yang penting walau tanpa CC, tetap lolos uji emisi, karena kita optimalkan pembakaran/pengapian mesin mobil kita...
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Memang secara logika lebih simpel mencopot CC seperti om JESKONENG bilang. Apalagi dapet kompensasi penambahan tenaga. HeheheJESKONENG wrote:Kalo aku sih, mending copot CC daripada malah bikin masalah... yang penting walau tanpa CC, tetap lolos uji emisi, karena kita optimalkan pembakaran/pengapian mesin mobil kita...

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Ya di botolnya bro, cb baca deh ada tertulis disitu, bukan mmt, tp kepanjangan nya itu...yg adaa til til nya....Sugie wrote:Kalo gw baca comment diatas sih, kalo kadar MMT 1/32 gram per gallon, diperbolehkan di US dan tdk akan menyebabkan emission failure pd kendaraan. Kandungan MMT di Bardahl brp ya? Soalnya kalo gw liat di botolnya kynya yg ada cuma cara pemakaian doank, ga ada bahan2nya. Bro Abu2 baca disebelah mananya ya.........
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apaan tuh til til ...Abu2 wrote:Ya di botolnya bro, cb baca deh ada tertulis disitu, bukan mmt, tp kepanjangan nya itu...yg adaa til til nya....Sugie wrote:Kalo gw baca comment diatas sih, kalo kadar MMT 1/32 gram per gallon, diperbolehkan di US dan tdk akan menyebabkan emission failure pd kendaraan. Kandungan MMT di Bardahl brp ya? Soalnya kalo gw liat di botolnya kynya yg ada cuma cara pemakaian doank, ga ada bahan2nya. Bro Abu2 baca disebelah mananya ya.........

Ini loh: Methylcyclopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylcycl ... ricarbonyl
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wah...kalo cuman copot CC trus tetep pake OB yg ada MMT-nya (apalagi dalam dosis besar), saya kira permasalahannya masih berlanjut loh pak Jes, toh meskipun lolos uji emisi, kalo saya baca - baca referensi dari internet mengenai tabiat si MMT, si MMT ini ngga ramah sama injeksi, busi, dan sensor - sensor pembakaran, persis seperti yang PPT tulis:JESKONENG wrote:Kalo aku sih, mending copot CC daripada malah bikin masalah... yang penting walau tanpa CC, tetap lolos uji emisi, karena kita optimalkan pembakaran/pengapian mesin mobil kita...
PenyuTurbo wrote:Octane Booster BARDAHL itu menggunakan MMT (Methylcylcopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl). Yang jadi masalah adalah Manganese ini semacam RACUN untuk Catalytic Converter ... sering disebut dengan istilah Catalyst Poisoning ... lama-kelamaan ... dalam waktu yang relative singkat akan meng-NON-ACTIVE-kan fungsi Catalytic Converter. Unsur-unsur lain yang serupa dengan Manganese adalah Timbal (Lead), Sulphur, Zinc (Seng), Silicone, dan Phosphorus. Kalau CAT (Catalytic Converter) udah Non-Aktif (pensiun) ... ya ... COROLICA nya masuk ke jalur yang Gak Ramah Lingkungan ... itu aja.
Disamping CAT ... yang akan jadi korban adalah Injectors, Busi dan Oxygen Sensor ... Di USA pun MMT ini ILLEGAL.
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