Suzuki SX4 Vs All new jazz 2008 - Part 01

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Re: Suzuki SX4 Vs All new jazz 2008

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gw saranin sih bro adhival segera TD a.s.a.p.
utk SX4, gw rasa cuma test MT ato AT nya aja, yg laen2nya ngga usah dipusingin.
asli, build quality SX4 bener2 top.
*gw emang pake neobal, cuma gw rasa sama aja, sama2 CKD toh hehe.

dan harusnya sih saat ini ud ngga usah parno sama transmisi MT nya SX4 yah.
gw ud coba SX4 copper MT CKD mid Juni lalu, transmisinya ud seenak neobal MT gw stlh dituning bengkel.
ud ngga perlu injek gas sampe RPM 1500-2000 lg, karena RPMnya ud ngga turun parah lg pas lepas kopling.

kalo new jazz, gw blom TD seh, cuma emang pas masuk ke cockpit tu mobil di plaza senayan, perasaan nyaman, sporty, & mewah lgs menyergap (ciehhh) hahaha..
gw pribadi malahan lbh suka posisi duduk new jazz dibanding SX4/neobal (note: jok supir dimentok-in ke paling blkg).
kata cewe gw seh leg room new jazz sama SX4 sama (posisi duduk sama2 di blkg jok supir). Makanya cewe gw tetep pro neobal (krn leg room blkgnya legaa) dan insist supaya gw ngga ganti mobil.
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aldy wrote:Tambah rame nih,,setiap mobil punya kelebihan dan kekurangan tinggal sesuaikan dengan selera dan budget.. Butuh mobil keren interior eksterior dan fitur paling lengkap(sekalian pamer paddle shift ke tetangga :mrgreen: ) di kelas compact hatchback serta tiap hari selalu need for speed(young bloody :evil: ) : ambil jazz.. Kalo pengen exterior mencolok (beda desain sama mobil yg lain) dan GC tinggi serta budget agak terbatas: ambil SX4.. Tapi kalo masalah banjir saya berani bertaruh jazz tidak ada masalah selama ketinggiannya masuk akal.. Oiya jangan lupa mobil M/T sama matic beda,,jangan dibandingkan! matic punya lubang hawa / udara dibagian atas transmisi buat dinginkan transmisi sedang M/T tidak.. Jadi kalo sama2 mobil manual melewati banjir yang tingginya masuk akal buat mobil itu sok2 aja atuh.. Apalagi jazz, Cz Hon city(M/T) saya aja lewat padahal tinggi banjirnya setengah ban kijang innova lebih.. :e-dance:

Teleskopik adalah setir bisa dimaju mundurkan jadi lebih gampang dapet posisi ideal menyetir(ga semua mobil under 200juta punya fitur ini).. Ini juga salah satu kelebihan jazz dibanding SX4 yang cuma naik turun.. :e-clap:
Bro kalo lubang hawa itu baik m/t maupun a/t semua ada bro, cuman biasanya yang m/t ada sambungannya kayak selang kayak yang di gardan gitu, tapi semua ada lubang hawanya kok.
Saya cuman mau nambahin kan belum ada yang ngomong kalo selector untuk recirculated air dan fresh air punya jazz masih manual kayak mobil lama, sedangkan di sx4 maupun swift udah motorized lho, itu salah satu kelebihan sx4 yang jazz nggak punya, meskipun jazz steeringnya udah teleskopik :e-clap:
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iya sama spt feature airbag, kalo pakai electric spt yg versi luar, mau harga berapa.
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Loh masak sih bro manual ada lubang hawa kayaknya enggak deh soalnya sering liat2 mobil offroad pada manual semua direndam sampai setengah body ok2 aja asal pake snorkel.. Dan transmisi ga ada yang pake snorkel.. matic pake lubang udara cz panas yg ditimbulkan lebih besar (ada gejala selip karena pakai sistem basah) selip ini yang bikin transmisi jadi panas.. Beda sama manual yang ga ada gejala selip..
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Wah bro kalo fitur motorized sirkulasi ac ga akan sangat berguna.. beda kalo teleskopik kan mempermudah driver cari posisi nyetir ideal.. No offense. Bayangkan kalo ada orang gemuk tinggi tangannya kan pendek.. naik SX4 kakinya bakal nekuk biar tangannya bisa megang setir cz setir ga bisa maju.. Lebih General (setiap orang bisa nyesuaikan) gitu posisi nyetir njezz..
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silahkan beli bro... ditunggu komplen pertamanya, huehehehe....
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kalo cuma mau liat komplain, silakan liat di milis member nya , disana banyak dan berjibun ga habis2 atuh, daripada disini...
mobil apa yah yang ngga ada...
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enakan di sini..
kan bisa dapat pencerahan dari para expert seperti bro GTR.....
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komplain pertama kan udah berjibun tuh, upping price...
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^^

halo bro :mrgreen:

pa kabar ?
long time no see :beer:

do u remember me ? :e-whistle:


btw,
kemaren gue ke showroomnya Suzuki di Pulogadung,
setelah ngobrol2 dgn salesnya,
ditawarin test drive SX-4 matic,
IMHO SX-4 emang bagus sih,
Akselerasi biasa aja,
tapi....
- handling mantap,
- mesin halus & merdu,
- built quality oke,
- gear-change AT halus bgt,
- bantingan suspensi pas buat gue
- kabinnya cukup senyap :e-clap:

jadi pengen nih :mrgreen:

:off_good_job: to suzuki

anyway...
konon, mnrt kepala bengkel, transmisinya ud Electronically Controlled
trus iseng2 gue buka kap mesin,
ternyata ATF-nya msh menggunakan DEXRON III (tertera di dipstic ATF-nya), :e-think:
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kebanyakan mobil memang dexron III, a/t modern require up to dexron III H
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^^

no problem buat gue, :mrgreen:

mau pake oli ATF jenis apa juga :mrgreen:

keuntungannya,
DEXRON III murah & mudah didapat :e-dance:

klo gue sih vote for SX-4

Honda New Jazz ??
agak ragu sih, honda jazz cuma unggul di speed aja
faktor2 lain blm tau,
yg udah2,
Honda di Indonesia itu durability-nya agak kurang,
& spare-part agak mahal

berbeda bgt dgn Honda di US sono, yg konon,
one of the most reliable car
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lonelyguy wrote:^^

halo bro :mrgreen:

pa kabar ?
long time no see :beer:

do u remember me ? :e-whistle:


btw,
kemaren gue ke showroomnya Suzuki di Pulogadung,
setelah ngobrol2 dgn salesnya,
ditawarin test drive SX-4 matic,
IMHO SX-4 emang bagus sih,
Akselerasi biasa aja,
tapi....
- handling mantap,
- mesin halus & merdu,
- built quality oke,
- gear-change AT halus bgt,
- bantingan suspensi pas buat gue
- kabinnya cukup senyap :e-clap:

jadi pengen nih :mrgreen:

:off_good_job: to suzuki

anyway...
konon, mnrt kepala bengkel, transmisinya ud Electronically Controlled
trus iseng2 gue buka kap mesin,
ternyata ATF-nya msh menggunakan DEXRON III (tertera di dipstic ATF-nya), :e-think:
ATFnya udah T -IV tertulis di buku service manual, bukan owner's manual, tertulis mobil 3309 atau suzuki atf 3317
di website mobil 1 mobil 3309 adalah termasuk T-IV bukan dexron III
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^^

T-IV kan toyota/lexus punya ? :e-think:


:e-think:

kok aneh ya,
di bagian kepala dipstick ATF-nya yg berwarna merah itu,
tertulis "DEXRON III"

mana yg bener nih ? :e-wall:
dipstick ato buku service manual ? :e-think:
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lonelyguy wrote:^^

T-IV kan toyota/lexus punya ? :e-think:


:e-think:

kok aneh ya,
di bagian kepala dipstick ATF-nya yg berwarna merah itu,
tertulis "DEXRON III"

mana yg bener nih ? :e-wall:
dipstick ato buku service manual ? :e-think:
Toyota memang udah agak lama menggunakan ATF yang Type T-IV, sedangkan suzuki baru GV,Swift,SX4 dan SX4 sedan. Sebelumnya ATFnya semua dexron III
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kalo T-IV sudah ada slip-lock, kalo ada tertera harus ini, harus diikuti or kurang optimal kerja a/t nya
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lonelyguy wrote:^^

no problem buat gue, :mrgreen:

mau pake oli ATF jenis apa juga :mrgreen:

keuntungannya,
DEXRON III murah & mudah didapat :e-dance:

klo gue sih vote for SX-4

Honda New Jazz ??
agak ragu sih, honda jazz cuma unggul di speed aja
faktor2 lain blm tau,
yg udah2,
Honda di Indonesia itu durability-nya agak kurang,
& spare-part agak mahal

berbeda bgt dgn Honda di US sono, yg konon,
one of the most reliable car
hah??cuma menang di speed?kalo cuma menang di speed mah Jazz ga bakal selaris itu..fitur2 macem ultra seat jelas sangat membantu
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SaebaRyo wrote:gw saranin sih bro adhival segera TD a.s.a.p.
utk SX4, gw rasa cuma test MT ato AT nya aja, yg laen2nya ngga usah dipusingin.
asli, build quality SX4 bener2 top.
*gw emang pake neobal, cuma gw rasa sama aja, sama2 CKD toh hehe.

dan harusnya sih saat ini ud ngga usah parno sama transmisi MT nya SX4 yah.
gw ud coba SX4 copper MT CKD mid Juni lalu, transmisinya ud seenak neobal MT gw stlh dituning bengkel.
ud ngga perlu injek gas sampe RPM 1500-2000 lg, karena RPMnya ud ngga turun parah lg pas lepas kopling.

kalo new jazz, gw blom TD seh, cuma emang pas masuk ke cockpit tu mobil di plaza senayan, perasaan nyaman, sporty, & mewah lgs menyergap (ciehhh) hahaha..
gw pribadi malahan lbh suka posisi duduk new jazz dibanding SX4/neobal (note: jok supir dimentok-in ke paling blkg).
kata cewe gw seh leg room new jazz sama SX4 sama (posisi duduk sama2 di blkg jok supir). Makanya cewe gw tetep pro neobal (krn leg room blkgnya legaa) dan insist supaya gw ngga ganti mobil.

Minggu besok rencana mo TD jazz, rencananya yg tipe S A/T doank. Kalo TD X-over masih nunggu konfirmasi. Hari senin kemaren dijanjiin minggu depan ini, tp belom tau harinya. Baru hari minggu nanti sy akan telepon lagi. Gak enak hati juga kalo ampir tiap hari nanyain ini terus. Lagian juga emang baru ada waktu setelah sabtu besok ini. Padahal sih sy sudah bilang kalo sy gak keberatan nyamperin any suzuki dealer di ja-ta-de-bek yg bisa TD A/T & M/T sekaligus, tp salesnya tetap mo usahain utk sy gak jauh2 ke dealer suzuki yg lain. Baik sih begitu, tp efeknya jadi agak lama nih. Tp gpp, asal bisa tetap TD at last minggu depan ini. Well, let see lah gmana nanti....
Masih tetap pada pilihan X-over, walau belum 100% final, jd tetap berpeluang utk tipe2 yg lain walau kayanya kecil. Bukan cuma jazz, tp bisa juga neobal, dsb.

Sempet nanya sama salesnya soal "anehnya" transmis MT X-over, trus sy bilang bahwa sy dapet info dari forum2 spt ini kalo masalah ini sudah bisa "diatasi", tp katanya kalo mo tuning tunggu 1000 km / service pertama, kalo tuning dari awal ato sebelum pemakaian bisa kena biaya lagi, Bener begitu?? Tp soal biaya ini belum bisa dikonfirmasi.
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Oiya bro adhival saya ada saran kalo pengen ngetes agresifitas mesin n transmisi jangan lupa pake Mode S jangan D bahkan coba aja sekalian paddle shiftnya.. Pokoknya naik mobil honda jangan setengah2,, saya kalo nyetir ni mobil bejek aja baru kerasa bedanya sama mobil lain.. Tapi jalan lengang tentunya..he8
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oli transmisi sx4 sangat murah, seliterya ga ampe 30rb
perpindahan giginya jg halus kek transmisi mobil lain yg punya embel2 "modern"

setau saya oli transmisi beberapa mobil jepang sudah pake yg bagus punya yg harga 150rb / liter kayak mobil2 eropa gitu..
bener2 harga yg ga masuk akal, oli kok harga 150rb/liter, emangnya ada campuran air liur dewa kali ye

lalu utk TD mbl Honda, emang harus di geber abis, soalnya emang karakter mesin honda yg boyo di bawah, kenceng di putaran atas. jadi tau bener kemampuannya seberapa.
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adhival wrote:
Sempet nanya sama salesnya soal "anehnya" transmis MT X-over, trus sy bilang bahwa sy dapet info dari forum2 spt ini kalo masalah ini sudah bisa "diatasi", tp katanya kalo mo tuning tunggu 1000 km / service pertama, kalo tuning dari awal ato sebelum pemakaian bisa kena biaya lagi, Bener begitu?? Tp soal biaya ini belum bisa dikonfirmasi.
gue punya udah 22rb lebih, masih aja belum beres itu problem di gigi satu. kayaknya sih emang perlu re program ECU, terlalu miskin kayaknya campuran BBM di rpm 600 kebawah. sejak kemaren gw masukin ke beress lagi, gw inepin sampe beres pokoknya. idle up nya juga kebalik tuh, kalo a/c on, rpm gak naik, malah turun dan setelah menyentuh 600rpm maka mesin bergetar... mekanik nya aja bingung.
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GTR wrote:kalo cuma mau liat komplain, silakan liat di milis member nya , disana banyak dan berjibun ga habis2 atuh, daripada disini...
mobil apa yah yang ngga ada...
milis membernya dimana ya bro gtr?
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ada yg tau berat jazz 2008 ga?
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lonesnake wrote: Toyota memang udah agak lama menggunakan ATF yang Type T-IV, sedangkan suzuki baru GV,Swift,SX4 dan SX4 sedan. Sebelumnya ATFnya semua dexron III
GTR wrote:kalo T-IV sudah ada slip-lock, kalo ada tertera harus ini, harus diikuti or kurang optimal kerja a/t nya
lah...
di dipstick ATF-nya SX-4 & Neo-Bal, jelas2 tertera (DEXRON III)
coba buka kap mesinnya, trus liat deh "tulisan" dibagian dipstick ATF-nya

tau dipstick kan ? :roll:

contoh lain:
lucky_strike_21 wrote:oli transmisi sx4 sangat murah, seliterya ga ampe 30rb
perpindahan giginya jg halus kek transmisi mobil lain yg punya embel2 "modern"

setau saya oli transmisi beberapa mobil jepang sudah pake yg bagus punya yg harga 150rb / liter kayak mobil2 eropa gitu..
bener2 harga yg ga masuk akal, oli kok harga 150rb/liter, emangnya ada campuran air liur dewa kali ye

lalu utk TD mbl Honda, emang harus di geber abis, soalnya emang karakter mesin honda yg boyo di bawah, kenceng di putaran atas. jadi tau bener kemampuannya seberapa.
@lonesnake & GTR
tuh kan bener,
DEXRON III itu harganya kurang lebih 30rb :e-dance:

klo T-IV mana ada yg harga segitu :glodak: