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Guys, New Honda Jazz kan dah mo luncur nih Juli ini, mari kita bandingkan dgn Livina XR :
1. Konsumsi BBM
2. Kenyamanan suspensi
3. Handling
4. Akselerasi
5. Kapasitas bagasi
6. Price

Lagi timbang2 mo ganti mobil nih abis pertamax naik terus, mana Vios gw ga bisa minum Premium, even campur 50:50 PertamaxPlus n Premium pun msh ngelitik n ngempos dia.. :capede:
Atau kah krn penggunaan muffler megafon yah :D Atau lepas catalic converter bisa jadi solusi? Atau kah setelan mesin?

Pls help me guys..
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waduh..tar tunggu new Jazz kluar om baru bs dibandingin..skrg ma banding2 in juga cm skedar perkiraan2 aja..huh?? Vios jd knocking ya bis campur 50:50 PertamaxPlus n Premium.saya dah cba campur si blom berasa apa2..tar berasa knocking br blk pertamax lg d..
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kok Yaris ga knp2 yaa dikasi minum premium? malah tarikan kenceng juga masi bisa nandingin Jazz VTEC? padahal mesinnya sama
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alvin_kiak wrote:Guys, New Honda Jazz kan dah mo luncur nih Juli ini, mari kita bandingkan dgn Livina XR :
1. Konsumsi BBM
2. Kenyamanan suspensi
3. Handling
4. Akselerasi
5. Kapasitas bagasi
6. Price

Lagi timbang2 mo ganti mobil nih abis pertamax naik terus, mana Vios gw ga bisa minum Premium, even campur 50:50 PertamaxPlus n Premium pun msh ngelitik n ngempos dia.. :capede:
Atau kah krn penggunaan muffler megafon yah :D Atau lepas catalic converter bisa jadi solusi? Atau kah setelan mesin?

Pls help me guys..
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taxi vios perasaan minumnya premium deh kata sopirnya. wdh kasian amat vios ga bs minum premium, ane x-trail aj ks premium dah ampir 3 taon mantap2 aj.

kembl ketopik, kemrn waktu lg di autlet audio ketemu sales honda, dia bilng new jazz dah bs inden dari skrng, DP 5 jeti, kl inden dibatalin duit dipulangin ga kena potongan. trus gw tanya harganya berapa, dia bilng blum tau. aneh juga ya blum tau harga dah berani buka daftar inden :e-think:
infonya pake mesin i-vtec 1500 cc, pas gw tanya isu awal ngeluarin mesin v-tec lama dia si bantah. new jazz vs livina xr dah pernh diulas di autobild, tp waktu itu yang dibahas pinjem fit punya IU. kl dari ulasannya si new jazz keliatan menang byk point dibandng livina xr.
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new jazz kemana2 lah jauhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Iya nih, ga tau knp vios gw ga sreg ma premium, mkgn krn dah kebiasaan pertamax plus dari awal..
Mo konsul ke bengkel dulu ah, sapa tau ada yg bisa disetel2 biar ga alergi premium... hehe..

Thx guys atas info2nya..
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alvin_kiak wrote:Iya nih, ga tau knp vios gw ga sreg ma premium, mkgn krn dah kebiasaan pertamax plus dari awal..
Mo konsul ke bengkel dulu ah, sapa tau ada yg bisa disetel2 biar ga alergi premium... hehe..

Thx guys atas info2nya..
OOT. Gw juga dulu gitu pindah dari P+ ke premium lsng. Mesin vios gak bisa disetel apa2. Paling cuman ECUnya aja. Tapi itu juga balik lagi ke program standar setelah beberapa ribu KM..

Saran pertama copot dulu CC nya.. Abis itu pake premium + racun "bardahl" hehehe...
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datsu wrote:
alvin_kiak wrote:Iya nih, ga tau knp vios gw ga sreg ma premium, mkgn krn dah kebiasaan pertamax plus dari awal..
Mo konsul ke bengkel dulu ah, sapa tau ada yg bisa disetel2 biar ga alergi premium... hehe..

Thx guys atas info2nya..
OOT. Gw juga dulu gitu pindah dari P+ ke premium lsng. Mesin vios gak bisa disetel apa2. Paling cuman ECUnya aja. Tapi itu juga balik lagi ke program standar setelah beberapa ribu KM..

Saran pertama copot dulu CC nya.. Abis itu pake premium + racun "bardahl" hehehe...
Bro ga sayng kl pk acara copot CC ? bukannya premium udh bebas timbal ya ? coz CC kan intergated ke ECU, misl kl di lepas sinyal umpan balik CC ke ECU bs kacau. coz pernh ada kasus gara2 CC dilepas ECU jd ngaco. sory neh kl salah :mrgreen:
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Gak sayang bro.. CC bisa dipasang lagi nanti asal arahnya jelas...

Pernah ada postingan dari Mr. Turboman kalo gak salah bawa semurni2nya premium ternyata masih mengandung sedikit sekali timbal. Gak ngefek emang. Pelepasan CC tujuannya supaya mesin lebih plong, jadi lebih nerimo ketika waktu pengapian jadi maju krn pake premium (tanpa setting apapun)

Kalo sensor mah CC gak berhubungan langsung yah ama ECU, tapi, oxygen sensor di ujung2nya. Nah ini mah gak dicopot.. jadi gak terlalu ngaruh. Ada beberapa mobil yang ngaruh katanya kalo masih dingin RPMnya suka naik turun.. tapi untungnya di vios gw gak. Jadi selama O2 sensornya gak dicopot gak masalah..
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datsu wrote: Saran pertama copot dulu CC nya.. Abis itu pake premium + racun "bardahl" hehehe...
kalo kondisi standar mobil (tanpa copot CC) kira2 aman tidak pake Bardahl? Saya lagi nyoba Premium+Bardahl setelah downgrade dari Shell Super
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Bro tapi setelah saya banding2kan memang mesin DOHC beda bgd dari SOHC saya dirumah punya honda city VTEC m/t(city)danGrand Livina 1.5 m/t(GL).. :e-think:
City saya kalo diajak cruising santai dalem kota irit banget dan mesin smooth bgd tarikan bawahnya..bahkan kalo cuma nyalip2 dikit ga perlu geber2 rpm tinggi (<3500rpm).. Tapi kalo kaki udah pegel sama ga sabar injek pedal gas tau2 aja rpm udah 5000-5500rpm (karakter VTEC).. Kekurangannya mesin menderu2 agak kasar (karakter SOHC) apalagi di jalan tol jalan 140km/h kedengeran bgd suara mesin(menderu) kalo rpm >3500rpm..(mesin jazz 2008 tetap sama L15A tapi sudah i-VTEC dan power di improve 120ps jadi perkiraan karakter mesin mirip2 aja mesin lama)..
Sedangkan kalo saya pake GL dalem kota lebih boros dikit kalo kaki ga sabar ngurut gas (karakter HR15DE lemah rpm bawah juga karakter mesin DOHC ga se smooth mesin SOHC rpm bawahnya,bisa dibuktikan kok :e-dance: ) jadi sering oper gigi sekitar 3000an rpm biar ga kehilangan power on demand.. Tapi semua itu terbayar lunas, dengan karakter DOHC kayaknya bawaannya pengen ngebut aja alias nginjek rata pedal gas :e-dance: .. Selain mesin DOHC very2 powerfull rpm >3500 suaranya nyaris ga kedengeran alias smooth (dibanding city saya lo :e-naughty: ) ga ada istilah ga tega nginjek gas he2.. Bahkan kemaren full loaded 6 orang (@70kg an) jalan 140km/h mesin masih punya nafas lagi bwt ke 160km/h bahkan 180km/h. Jadi kesimpulan saya kalo suka mobil matic dan jarang menguras adrenalin ambil honda jazz 2008(tapi bukan g bisa lo jazz buat nguras adrenalin).. :e-naughty:.. Kalo ga mentingkan fitur, tidak pengen merasakan kontur aspal di indonesia dan suka maen rpm >3500(ga mentingin harga bbm :e-whistle:) ambil aja Livina XR..bahkan di milis ada yg udah buktikan iritnya mesin HR15DE Livina XR a/t tembus 1:20 driving mode santai.. :thanks:..(saya sudah pakai 2 mobil ini rata2 lebih dari 3000km tapi) :ngacir:
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Mesin city(=jazz) sudah kalah 1 generasi dari MR/HR series.
Mesin MR/HR series ini memang sarat teknologi tinggi yg sebenarnya lebih pas disandingkan dgn mesin Rseries honda atau i-vtec.
Teknologi yg sama pada keduanya (MR/HR dgn Rseries) antara lain:
Circular bore machining (permukaan dinding cylinder sehalus cermin dan un-even cracking con-rod (con-rod dipatahkan menjadi 2 bagian agar benar2 sempurna pemasangannya).

Teknologi HR/MR yg sama dgn Lseries (jazz lama):
offset cylinder, dimana saat posisi piston pada titik mati atas tidak tegak lurus dengan crankshaft.

Karakter bentangan tenaga DOHC dan SOHC semua tergantung setting terutama camshaft.
DOHC dgn karakter putaran rendah : mesin TLC v8, contoh lain di indo : mesin xeniavanza;
bentangan tenaga mesin ini jauh lebih rendah rpmnya daripada SOHC contoh estilogenio.
SOHC(non-variable valve) tidak bisa menang tenaga di 2(atau lebih) kondisi : rpm rendah dan tinggi, cenderung pada salah satunya.
DOHC lebih memungkinkan untuk dapat di 2 kondisi rpm rendah dan tinggi, and even better (juga pada mesin SOHC) dengan tambahan bbrp doping: variable valve timing, lift control, variable lenght intake manifold, individual ignition.
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liat2aja wrote:
datsu wrote: Saran pertama copot dulu CC nya.. Abis itu pake premium + racun "bardahl" hehehe...
kalo kondisi standar mobil (tanpa copot CC) kira2 aman tidak pake Bardahl? Saya lagi nyoba Premium+Bardahl setelah downgrade dari Shell Super
kalo bardahlnya sih aman bgt bro.. tapi kalo premiumnya sy gak tau. Tapi dulu udah pake premium 2 tahun baru copot CC ternyata gak kotor2 amat sih... dan kebetulan waktu itu copot CC cuman biar tenag gak ngempos kalo pake premium.. Yang pasti kalo mobil dibiasain pake bensin bagus trus pindah ke premium, jangan lupa italian tune-up sekali2 ya bro.. :D
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Italian tune-up? mksdnya apa bro?

CC nya Vios letaknya di mana sih?
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livina XR bro, sekarang ada yg varian X-gear beda bumper dan beberapa aksesori
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modelnya boljug tuh x gear. tp tetep tanpa ABS ya? dan cuma single airbag setau gw
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alvin_kiak wrote:Italian tune-up? mksdnya apa bro?

CC nya Vios letaknya di mana sih?
italian tune-up itu geber2 mesin diatas 6000RPM.. coba sekali2 dilakukan sambil jalan di tol.. gigi 1, gigi 2, gigi 3, gigi 4.. Kalo sehat, gigi 1 diatas 6000 udah 40KPH, gigi 2 100KPH, gigi 3 150KPH, gigi 4 180KPH... kalo gak sanggup ampe gigi 3 cukup...

CC vios di knalpot dong.. :P posisinya di tengah2 mobil.. Persis dibawah tongkat perseneling.. keliatan bentuknya lonjong tabung gitu, lebih gede dari pipa, cuman gak segede resonator.. :D
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satyr wrote:modelnya boljug tuh x gear. tp tetep tanpa ABS ya? dan cuma single airbag setau gw
Sori Bro no offence kalo menurut aku x-gear itu agak maksa ya, jadi kaya panther terus ditambahin moulding jadi panther touring, velgnya juga jelek. Bumper depannya lumayan sih.
Overall aku tetep pilih SX-4!!! :e-dance:
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Xgear juga mirip phanter Sporty or hi-sporty
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lonesnake wrote:
satyr wrote:modelnya boljug tuh x gear. tp tetep tanpa ABS ya? dan cuma single airbag setau gw
Sori Bro no offence kalo menurut aku x-gear itu agak maksa ya, jadi kaya panther terus ditambahin moulding jadi panther touring, velgnya juga jelek. Bumper depannya lumayan sih.
Overall aku tetep pilih SX-4!!! :e-dance:
iya siy bro, mestinya ga cm bumpernya aja yg direvisi, jd ndak keliatan tambah sana-sini, tp lucu aja ngeliat mpv b'gaya kya crossover hehehe..
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pilih honda kali yah, ketahanan mesinnya bisa di lihat di sini: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyAwFw0eXwE
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datsu wrote:
alvin_kiak wrote:Italian tune-up? mksdnya apa bro?

CC nya Vios letaknya di mana sih?
italian tune-up itu geber2 mesin diatas 6000RPM.. coba sekali2 dilakukan sambil jalan di tol.. gigi 1, gigi 2, gigi 3, gigi 4.. Kalo sehat, gigi 1 diatas 6000 udah 40KPH, gigi 2 100KPH, gigi 3 150KPH, gigi 4 180KPH... kalo gak sanggup ampe gigi 3 cukup...

CC vios di knalpot dong.. :P posisinya di tengah2 mobil.. Persis dibawah tongkat perseneling.. keliatan bentuknya lonjong tabung gitu, lebih gede dari pipa, cuman gak segede resonator.. :D
Barusan dah copot CC n balikin pake resonator standar, maknyus terasa tambahan power sekitar 20%, ngga ngelitik n ngempos lg, hehe.. Sementara sih bbm msh kecampur pertamax plus + premium, ntar dah abis br coba full premium, semoga ga ngelitik.. :ungg:

Thx guys.. :beer:
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alvin_kiak wrote: Barusan dah copot CC n balikin pake resonator standar, maknyus terasa tambahan power sekitar 20%, ngga ngelitik n ngempos lg, hehe.. Sementara sih bbm msh kecampur pertamax plus + premium, ntar dah abis br coba full premium, semoga ga ngelitik.. :ungg:

Thx guys.. :beer:
Maksutnya pake resonator standar, diisi resonator gitu tempat bekas CC nya? Bagus tuh diisi resonator daripada pipa besi kosong.. Kalo copot CC berubahnya ampe 20% artinya CC situ udah mulai mampet bro... :D untung dicopot..
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datsu wrote:
alvin_kiak wrote: Barusan dah copot CC n balikin pake resonator standar, maknyus terasa tambahan power sekitar 20%, ngga ngelitik n ngempos lg, hehe.. Sementara sih bbm msh kecampur pertamax plus + premium, ntar dah abis br coba full premium, semoga ga ngelitik.. :ungg:

Thx guys.. :beer:
Maksutnya pake resonator standar, diisi resonator gitu tempat bekas CC nya? Bagus tuh diisi resonator daripada pipa besi kosong.. Kalo copot CC berubahnya ampe 20% artinya CC situ udah mulai mampet bro... :D untung dicopot..
Kaga bos, tempat bekas CC nya sih diganti pipa besi kosong aja.. Iya CC nya stlh dilepas keliatan udah kotor banget..
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all new jazz lah sob, sama jazz model ama aza masih keyenan jazz lama dari livina xr...