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Re: EV's Safety?

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Bibieight wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:14 Sabaaar.... sabaaar.... Ini teori manajemen risiko, ICE sama EV profil risikonya beda :
Screenshot_20250402_130656_Chrome.jpg
Kalo ICE tu possible+critical, karena ada bensinnya, tu LCGC ditumbur truk Aqua di Jagorawi, terus yg pada konslet, tapi sekalinya abis bensinnya ya mati apinya.
Kalo EV tu saat ini dah rare+catasthropic, kenapa catastrhopic, kerna matiinnya susah, terus lithium+elektrolitnya self combustible (thermal runaway).

Nah, 10 taun lalu beberapa produsen mungkin masih unlikely+catasthropic. Tapi sekarang tu dah dimitigasi via teknologi, algoritma BMS dah bagus, battery chemistry dah disesuaikan ama karakter EV, meskipun kalo produsennya masih baru kayak Farasis dendritic growthnya bisa tembus separator. https://theevreport.com/mercedes-benz-r ... -fire-risk

Arsitektur juga dah bener, percaya ndak percaya arsitektur 10 taun lalu masih ada mobil yg ndak pake High Voltage Interlock Loop :

Jadi itu stroom apapun status mobilnya selalu on. Kalo sekarang HVIL tu dah standar, kalo mesin off, batere ya terisolasi, ada apa2 cabut saklar HVIL batere langsung isolated.

Naah teori manajemen risiko ini yg bikin saya yakin ama EV, wong kondisi per saat ini dah unlikely :big_peace: :big_peace:
naah seru ini pembahasannya

lanjutken mbah
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darrelund wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:43 gile ampe rem jg diatur :big_biglaugh:

klo kmrn sih kampas rem ud aturan gaboleh pke rare earth metal, makanya skrg rem mobil eropa gede bgt. up to 10 piston & 440mm disc
ban saya baca2x konon katanya lebih parah dari tailpipe emission :mky_07:

Studies indicate that tire wear particles, a form of non-exhaust emissions, can be significantly more polluting than tailpipe emissions, potentially being 1,850 times worse in terms of particulate matter.

Here's a breakdown of the issue:
What are tailpipe emissions?
Tailpipe emissions are the pollutants released from a vehicle's exhaust pipe during combustion, including gases like carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and particulate matter.
What are tire emissions?
Tire emissions, or more accurately, tire wear emissions, refer to the particles released as tires wear down on the road, including microplastics and other compounds.
Why are tire emissions a problem?
High levels of particulate matter: Studies have shown that tire wear produces significantly more particulate matter than tailpipe emissions.
Microplastic pollution: Tire wear particles contribute to microplastic pollution in the environment, including water and soil.
Health concerns: Exposure to tire wear particles can pose health risks, similar to those associated with other forms of particulate matter pollution.
Underestimated impact: The environmental impact of tire emissions is often underestimated, as regulations and research have historically focused more on tailpipe emissions.

Specific findings:
Emissions Analytics found that tire wear emissions can be 1,850 times greater than tailpipe emissions.
Another study showed that tire particles released 5.8 grams per kilometer, far exceeding the regulated exhaust emission limit of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer.

nah yang suka makan ban kan ???? :big_chicken:
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Dengarlah dari pihak ke 2. Jangan hanya dengar pihak yang udah jelas dari awal ANTI, jika sudah anti, settingan pun bisa terjadi. Namanya PROPAGANDA.

Ingat video video awal Wuhan Dec 2019 dimana orang pada jatuh mati di jalanan. Selama 5 tahun pernah kah lihat serupa di jalanan kita ?

Itu video video Wuhan jelas ada production housenya. Bisa saja falun gong, atau opposisi lain, atau negara asing yang benci China seperti America.




b0ku wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 14:29

VERSI resmi :big_grin:
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Kalau boleh tau Om Salman pake EV apa nihhh
Boleh di share di sini pengalaman pengguanaan jangka panjangnya... saya jujur aja tertarik buat pake mobil listrik
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Salman111 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:47 Dengarlah dari pihak ke 2. Jangan hanya dengar pihak yang udah jelas dari awal ANTI, jika sudah anti, settingan pun bisa terjadi. Namanya PROPAGANDA.

Ingat video video awal Wuhan Dec 2019 dimana orang pada jatuh mati di jalanan. Selama 5 tahun pernah kah lihat serupa di jalanan kita ?

Itu video video Wuhan jelas ada production housenya. Bisa saja falun gong, atau opposisi lain, atau negara asing yang benci China seperti America.




b0ku wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 14:29

VERSI resmi :big_grin:
ud sering saya dengerin dia makanya saya tau dia itu HALU ud ada yang ngomong yang di omongin dirty nikel harusnya dia discuss sama tuh wartawan buat ganti nikel ke nikel besih dari ausie bukan malahnya denial terus nyolot artinya dari dia sendiri ada something dan liat langsung di 7 news jd tau selama ini dugaan saya bener modelan orangnya kek gimana :big_biglaugh:

masih ada satu lgi modelan gini ud jelas info mereka biased semua gak salah tapi gak relevant :big_biglaugh:

wong morowali ud jelas itu mentrinya suka gembar gembor nikel buat mobil listrik :big_biglaugh:

kecelakaan juga sering, pencemaran lingkungan juga ud sering denger itu 7 news juga basi sebenernya ud banyak yang bahas cuma kayak gak di anggep :big_bored:

7 news itu cuma memperjelas aja saya si gak nyangka segede itu industrinya biasanya yang kesorot cuma smelter kecil doank :big_slap:

disini kan propagandanya gitu biar wah gembar gembor industri batre ev bikin batre EV toh dengerin yang bener kata itu PIDEO kan BYD gak pake nikel :big_grin:

toh komennya banyak yang pede denial tanpa tau kenyataannya kalo saya si warga wakanda ud enek denger propagandanya "smelter nikel batre mobil listrik hilirisasi"........ :big_biglaugh:

+1 nilai positip buat BYD :big_peace:

tapi pernah kasih angin surga kek gini sih
Cari cara manfaatkan nikel

BYD yang pekan lalu mengumumkan operasi bisnisnya di Indonesia pernah menyebut pihaknya masih mempertimbangkan sumber daya nikel di Indonesia untuk dijadikan bahan baku baterai mobil listrik.

Baca artikel CNN Indonesia "Semua Mobil Listrik BYD di RI Pakai LFP, Janji Pelajari Gunakan Nikel" selengkapnya di sini: https://www.cnnindonesia.com/otomotif/2 ... akan-nikel.

Download Apps CNN Indonesia sekarang https://app.cnnindonesia.com/
ud dispastikan mustahil sih paling angin surga doank buat pemerintah :big_biglaugh:

saya curiga yang pake nikel indonesia merek batterai 4 huruf :mky_03:
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darrelund wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:45
naah seru ini pembahasannya

lanjutken mbah
Ntu oom, pas 5 N numbur truk angkut kayu, kayaknya ndak ada petugas buka kap depan sebelah kiri buat potong HVIL. Kalo EV tumburan tu harus asumsi kalo kabel HV-nya compromised, jd step pertamanya tu cabut HVIL baru main gunting body. Bayangin kalo ada kabel nglontok asal gunting body aja, apa kagak nyetrum tu mobil :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: , yakin saya selama ndak > 60 km/h frontal hantam barang keras statis pas di battery box, ndak ada cerita EV mbledug. Contoh kayak Ioniq 5 ini, kasus yg ini mbledugnya gara2 cell-nya short circuit berjamaah, itu aja masih ketolong sekering, kayak ini :
Screenshot_20250408_165507_YouTube.jpg
Itu cuma blok didepan aja yg angus, yg blakang selamat kerna sekringnya cut off semua. Liat aja tu cross member depan sampe penyok abis.
Vidio lengkap ada di :


Selama ini pada heboh EV tabrakan = mbledug, yang bahaya malah bukan mbledug-nya, tapi nyetrum-nya, jadi harusnya first responder tu ada sertifikasi atau latian, kasih badge khusus, dia yg kontrol di lapangan.
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Bibieight wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 13:58
Ntu oom, pas 5 N numbur truk angkut kayu, kayaknya ndak ada petugas buka kap depan sebelah kiri buat potong HVIL. Kalo EV tumburan tu harus asumsi kalo kabel HV-nya compromised, jd step pertamanya tu cabut HVIL baru main gunting body. Bayangin kalo ada kabel nglontok asal gunting body aja, apa kagak nyetrum tu mobil :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: , yakin saya selama ndak > 60 km/h frontal hantam barang keras statis pas di battery box, ndak ada cerita EV mbledug. Contoh kayak Ioniq 5 ini, kasus yg ini mbledugnya gara2 cell-nya short circuit berjamaah, itu aja masih ketolong sekering, kayak ini :
Screenshot_20250408_165507_YouTube.jpg
Itu cuma blok didepan aja yg angus, yg blakang selamat kerna sekringnya cut off semua. Liat aja tu cross member depan sampe penyok abis.
Vidio lengkap ada di :


Selama ini pada heboh EV tabrakan = mbledug, yang bahaya malah bukan mbledug-nya, tapi nyetrum-nya, jadi harusnya first responder tu ada sertifikasi atau latian, kasih badge khusus, dia yg kontrol di lapangan.
iya juga mbah dulu awal hybrid keluar yang di ributin justru ginian :mky_03:

kalo jaman saya dulu gak ada kepikiran batre bisa meleduk, malah kerendem ngerinya nyetrum gak taunya mbleduk :big_biglaugh:

tapi ternyata kasus mbleduk itu ud dari jaman EV1 :big_think:
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MANTAAP gas bang jualan nikelnya............... :ngacir:
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menuju harga kiloan dan menembusnya........ (kalo buang bayar karena takut meleduk jd butuh fasilitas khusus) :mky_07:
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Toyota invest ke india buat EV n hybrid wkwkwkwk *ini semua toyo ma honda pengen mobil kecoa niru2 maruti suzuki hehe (avoid tariff?)
https://autodrive.com.bd/posts/toyota-t ... s2CiZDZmQg
nih ada charging infos , bisa charge 5 min. di winter *NOTES : STILL LAB-TESTED
https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/n ... her-398192
ini kemarin 1mw ada lagi 1.5mw
https://carnewschina.com/2025/03/31/hua ... er-minute/
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kayukayuthe5th wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:25 Toyota invest ke india buat EV n hybrid wkwkwkwk *ini semua toyo ma honda pengen mobil kecoa niru2 maruti suzuki hehe (avoid tariff?)
https://autodrive.com.bd/posts/toyota-t ... s2CiZDZmQg
nih ada charging infos , bisa charge 5 min. di winter *NOTES : STILL LAB-TESTED
https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/n ... her-398192
ini kemarin 1mw ada lagi 1.5mw
https://carnewschina.com/2025/03/31/hua ... er-minute/
ngeri banget china aja kek gitu gimane pridapan soalnya disana kalo ud accident moped listrik ngeri2x :big_biglaugh:

gila 1.5MW :big_biglaugh:
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b0ku wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:32

menuju harga kiloan dan menembusnya........ (kalo buang bayar karena takut meleduk jd butuh fasilitas khusus) :mky_07:
That's why

EV mah beli korean made aja :big_weee:
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Suryaputra wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:08
That's why

EV mah beli korean made aja :big_weee:
cuma EV yang recomended tapi saya gak nyaranin beli EV cuma kalo kebelet belilah korea punya ternyata ada harga ada rupa :big_grin:
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b0ku wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:15
Suryaputra wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:08
That's why

EV mah beli korean made aja :big_weee:
cuma EV yang recomended tapi saya gak nyaranin beli EV cuma kalo kebelet belilah korea punya ternyata ada harga ada rupa :big_grin:
Kalo merk Aion gmn om?teknologi magazine battery nya diklaim paling aman n gak (belum) pernah terbakar
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Zordon wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:38
Kalo merk Aion gmn om?teknologi magazine battery nya diklaim paling aman n gak (belum) pernah terbakar
:big_think:

aion beberapa ada saya liat gosong om cuma gak yakin ud pake tech yang om sebut secara itu masih baru dipake 2024 kan ya :big_think:

kalo aion yang ud masuk sini yang Y itu masih belom pake tech yang baru itu kecuali yang suv namanya V :big_think:

tapi balik lagi kayak Hyundei si saya cuma ngitung kaki aja kalo kebakar hyundei ud kasus berapa kali tapi mereka sejauh ini juga ud berapa kasus disini mogok total ternyata di cut karena takut meleduk sama sistemnya sendiri jd preventifnya keliatannya kebukti ampuh :mky_03:

tapi balik lagi ud pada bolak balik otak atik sampe claim aman tetep aja om kondisi di jalan susah di tebak jd ada aja yang meleduk yang 12 volt aja meleduk mulu :mky_03:

nanti coba saya cek2x dulu om kalo ada aion dan model batre yang itu saya info ke om
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https://news.detik.com/berita/d-7865777 ... l-3-soetta

Alhamdulilah tdk ada yg terbakar padahal lmyn ringsek m6
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Zordon wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:47 https://news.detik.com/berita/d-7865777 ... l-3-soetta

Alhamdulilah tdk ada yg terbakar padahal lmyn ringsek m6
kalo depan aman, lah kan cman kena motor listriknya doang.
kalo kena samping tuh alias skateboard baterainya nah itu beda cerita.
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b0ku wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:15
Suryaputra wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:08
That's why

EV mah beli korean made aja :big_weee:
cuma EV yang recomended tapi saya gak nyaranin beli EV cuma kalo kebelet belilah korea punya ternyata ada harga ada rupa :big_grin:
even automotivepowertrain yang biased ke ICE ngakuin kalo 800v architecture hyundai-kia is matured.....sofar
anyway soal EV , mcmurty akhirnya mobil pertama kali yang bisa naik turun
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b0ku wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:38
kayukayuthe5th wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:25 Toyota invest ke india buat EV n hybrid wkwkwkwk *ini semua toyo ma honda pengen mobil kecoa niru2 maruti suzuki hehe (avoid tariff?)
https://autodrive.com.bd/posts/toyota-t ... s2CiZDZmQg
nih ada charging infos , bisa charge 5 min. di winter *NOTES : STILL LAB-TESTED
https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/n ... her-398192
ini kemarin 1mw ada lagi 1.5mw
https://carnewschina.com/2025/03/31/hua ... er-minute/
ngeri banget china aja kek gitu gimane pridapan soalnya disana kalo ud accident moped listrik ngeri2x :big_biglaugh:

gila 1.5MW :big_biglaugh:
yes gwa ga bisa banyagin kalo amit2 ada accident. cina itu main advantages itu kalo geografis sih dia jarang kena gempa aja yah jadi mereka agak peace of mind kalo voltase gede2. :mky_04:
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kayukayuthe5th wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:13 even automotivepowertrain yang biased ke ICE ngakuin kalo 800v architecture hyundai-kia is matured.....sofar
anyway soal EV , mcmurty akhirnya mobil pertama kali yang bisa naik turun
tapi saya lebih tertarik 100%-0% om :mky_07:
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b0ku wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 13:08
kayukayuthe5th wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:13 even automotivepowertrain yang biased ke ICE ngakuin kalo 800v architecture hyundai-kia is matured.....sofar
anyway soal EV , mcmurty akhirnya mobil pertama kali yang bisa naik turun
tapi saya lebih tertarik 100%-0% om :mky_07:
misleading dikit sih karena fan-car effect, gak literally "driving" :mky_01: dari fan car dulu chapparal juga demonsrasi cman belum bisa karena teknologi elektrikal belum canggih skrang ma masih ikut belt pulley.
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kayukayuthe5th wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 23:03
misleading dikit sih karena fan-car effect, gak literally "driving" :mky_01: dari fan car dulu chapparal juga demonsrasi cman belum bisa karena teknologi elektrikal belum canggih skrang ma masih ikut belt pulley.


biasa lah caper padahal biasa aja dan kagak penting juga yang penting 100-0% gak pernah di bahas :mky_07:
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b0ku wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 0:31
kayukayuthe5th wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 23:03
misleading dikit sih karena fan-car effect, gak literally "driving" :mky_01: dari fan car dulu chapparal juga demonsrasi cman belum bisa karena teknologi elektrikal belum canggih skrang ma masih ikut belt pulley.


biasa lah caper padahal biasa aja dan kagak penting juga yang penting 100-0% gak pernah di bahas :mky_07:
30 menitan bukan sih mcmerty itu waktu pernah interview waktu laguna seca ngalahin senna timelap (dibalap ama koenisegg sih skrg 2-2 padahal production car)
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masalahnya yang hijau itu mobil combustion apalagi state yang sekarang dimana catalic ud mereduksi banyak emsii kalo ud sisa CO2nya lebih bagus lagi karena racunya ilang dan CO2 kasih mamam ke tumbuhan tumbuhan makin kuat makin bantu kita produksi O2 :mky_03:

yang bahaya justru batre nebangin pohon buat nambang materialnya terus buang bahan kimianya ke sungai, buka pabrik industri pake PLTU dimana asepnya gak di saring........ :big_dunno:

biang kerok sebenernya kan itu di kalimantan pohon ditebang2xin.........gimana gak tambah panas coba :big_dunno: