BASI om saya ud ngomong dari kemaren2xkendibocor wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 15:53Konsisten aja dulu jd menurut loe 2022 masih jaman fomo trus 2023 uda ga fomo nih berdasarkan link yg lu kasih?b0ku wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 14:15ITU kan jaman FOMOkendibocor wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 13:48
Iya aja deh gw drpd debat kusir pake data gamau.
Coba gw mo tau pendapat lu gmn ttg ini
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press- ... ship-study
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https://www.jdpower.com/business/press- ... ship-study
sesuai prediksi makin rame malah makin jelek studynya karena di awal biased semua nyaman charging gak ngantri karena masih sepi makin kesini makin banyak yang pake chargingnya gak akan bisa follow demand akhirnya rebutan alias ngantri itu jadi salah faktor jeleknya karena ud ngantri akan ngabisin waktu lagi 15menit-2jem buat charging tergantung chargernya
lah emang gw bisa tau lakuan dm-i dari mana kalo gak baca data situ sendiri kasih saya artikel basi![]()
mau saya buka om data jualan di china ud sering saya ngomong sampe nyerocos pokoknya 2-4 itu VW-TOYOTA-HONDA itu 4 merek jualan hybrid aja memble apalagi jualan EV![]()
Nih gw kasih data lg biar lu bs baca
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automo ... on%20units.
China naek trus penjualan EV
https://theicct.org/us-ev-sales-soar-into-24-jan24/
Nih di us masih ngegas aja tuh jualan EV.
Jd 2023-2024 masi fomo gak?![]()
Biar lu ga bingung makanya tentuin dlu deh parameter yg lu blg fomo2an gmn. Jgn2 sampe 2030 andaikata masih naek trus penjualan EV lu masih ngotot fomo2an doang lg![]()
Btw link yg lu kasih coba dibaca bener2 jgn baca judul doang. Kasian yg buat susah2![]()
Disitu ga ada tuh kesimpulan orng makin ga puas sama EV. Masalah yg muncul iya ada tp by data ga semua orng makin ga puas ma EV. Average segment premium EV betul ada penurunan kepuasan tp yg mass production fine2 aja tuh malah customer satisfactorynya naek. Jd data mana yg bisa lu pake bwat ambil kesimpulan semua orng makin ga puas sama EV? Orng yg buat analisis aja ga berani nyimpulin![]()
Masalah public charging station bermasalah ya pasti karena makin banyak yg pake. Balik lg supply n demand, justru muncul masalah ginian karena EV naek penjualannya. Btw loe pernah jalan2 ke kalimantan? Pernah liat ga truck2 ngantri solar sampe berhari2. Kalo mo cherrypick sama aja kan tuh mobil ICE jg susah nyari bahan bakar. Tp kn ini simpel emang demand >> supply. Siapa tau spklu bisa nambah signifikan kalo emang pengguna EV banyak. Sebenernya emang ga feasible gw bandingin kaya ginian sama ngecharge ev, tp mo cherrypick problem ice jg bisa dicari2
Btw dm-i apaan seh? Kalo gw google PHEV ya? Kalo gw google kok overall taon lalu byd tetep lebih banyak jualan ev (1,6jt) vs phev (1,4jt) nya ya. Jd lakuan dm-i itu mana ya datanya?
cuma emng saya lupa sebut satu lagi laku BYDb0ku wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:01ev 2023 all time high tapi mereka produksi terlalu banyak dan jd stock mati yang laku ya cuma tesla, ini yang saya omong dari dulu terusin aja sampe tinggi banget jualannya ntar suatu hari bakalan jatoh nyungsep karena makin banyak pakai makin banyak tau kekurangannya dan mereka bakalan keabisan konsumen yang fomo ya sekarang ud mulai dehSuryaputra wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:41 After 10 years of development, Apple abruptly cancels its electric car project
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/12343158 ... ectric-car
EVs won over early adopters, but mainstream buyers aren't along for the ride yet
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/07/12277073 ... sales-2024
Biasanya indonesia itu mengikuti trend di silicon valley.
Contoh:
- 10 tahun lalu terjadi startup bubble di indonesia
- di waktu yg bersamaan, di silicon valley, startup udh seleksi alam
- sekarang startup mulai seleksi alam di indonesia
Questions:
1. Apakah hal yg sama akan terjadi di Indonesia untuk EV battery powered?
2. Apakah powerbank berjalan itu hny FoMo (takut kehilangan trend)??...
Time will tell.
Today di US sono, sbg kiblatnya EV, kondisi Hybrid sales are going up
Yota is undoubtedly "still" smiling![]()
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/busi ... icles.html
lagian di awal kemunculan mobil ev itu ud sempet merajai market![]()

dari dulu saya bilang kalo mereka suksess pun pasarnya bisa boring kayak hp karena mobilnya kagak ada karakter semua akhirnya nyari aman beli tesla/byd kebukti kan kek model Y sekarang jadi best selling di seluruh dunia 2023 ud kek taro semua telor dalem satu keranjang alias kek iphone semua pake iphone liat aja grafik jualan model Y yang laen jauh ketinggalan karena ketika ada opsi murah dan tinggi orang cenderung lari ke situ tungguin aja tesla keluarin lagi model di bawahnya bakalan jadi paling laris

lah di artikel bukanya ditulis berapa persen bakalan pindah ke hybrid
mereka consider PHEV karena mereka mau EV tanpa range anxietyMost BEV owners say they’ll consider a BEV again, but first-time BEV owners may be more fickle: First-time BEV owners say they are open to considering non-BEVs in the future. However, almost half (48%) say they will consider a plug-in hybrid vehicle (PHEV) and 39% say they are willing to consider hybrid or internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. Meanwhile, 38% of previous BEV owners say they are willing to consider a PHEV and only 19% would consider a hybrid or ICE vehicle for their next purchase.

terus bawahnya lagi
eh tapi yang pake PHEV ributnya males maintain mesin bensin tapi driving EV modenya gak sebanyak bevPHEVs might not present a good alternative to BEVs: Recently, news reports have suggested that plug-in hybrid vehicles could solve many of the issues plaguing BEVs, such as range limitations and lack of public charging availability. However, this year’s study finds that owners of PHEVs are, on the whole, much less satisfied with their vehicle than are owners of BEVs. Overall satisfaction with PHEVs is 629, while mass market BEVs (718) and premium BEVs (750) score much higher. “Plug-in hybrids may not be the simple solution to solving early issues with full battery electric vehicles,” Gruber said. “Expected lower running costs is a top purchase reason for EVs but satisfaction with the cost of ownership is much lower for plug-in hybrids. Plug-in hybrids retain the costs of maintaining a traditional powertrain yet without the benefit of the extended electric driving range found in full battery electric vehicles.”

lagian ya ini biased juga sih masa cost ownership bisa lower padahal insurancenya ratenya aja disana jauh lebih tinggi EV bisa 2x lipet

kemaren ada yang ngasih perbandingan corvette 2022 sama tesla 2021 aja mahalan tesla ampir 2x lipet

kan saya bilang makin kesini makin turun studynya tuh liat aja makin banyak negativenya kan

ini om FOMO bukan ini first time dan gak satisfiedPublic charging isn’t just bad—it’s getting worse: The study finds that the public charging experience continues to be a major source of EV owner frustration. Further, non-Tesla owners indicate that the situation is deteriorating. Among mass market BEV owners, satisfaction with public charger availability is 32 points lower than a year ago. “The industry should view this lack of improvement as a critical issue that requires decisive action,” Gruber said.

kalo veteran biasanya ud kayak cult soalnya sering ketemu di fbFirst-time BEV owners are less satisfied than BEV veterans: Buyers new to BEV ownership are less satisfied than those who have previously owned a BEV. This year, the satisfaction gap between the two groups is 28 points, whereas a year ago, the gap was 14 points. Overall satisfaction among first-time BEV owners has declined 16 points from 2023. Battery range and public charging availability are the two factors in which the gap between previous BEV owners and new owners is greatest.

sampe ada yang ngomong gini

om liat liat aja di IG model terlaris itu QIN DM-I 327rb unit YANG evnya cuma 128rb anehnya qin kagak dijual dimana2x di china doank gitu pula song dmi 296.000 unit evnya 93.000 ya jelas lah lakuan EV karena line upnya banyak yang cuma EV doank

berarti di china sendiri banyak yang range axiety gitu di kasi opsi hybrid model sama yang laku malah hybridnya mereka beli EV karena beberapa model emang gak ada hybridnya contohnya atto 3 gak ada dolphin gak ada, seal tadiannya kagak ada

lucunya itu SEAL sept baru dikasih opsi DM-I sejak itu pula DM-Inya lebih laris di banding EVnya contoh aja des 2023 seal ev cuma 4000an DMI bisa 10.000

di china emang EV lagi naek cuma kalo liat penjualan NO2-4 itu lebih lucuk lagi mereka kagak laku jualan hybrid ama EV tebak aja sendiri jualan apa

jd jualan EVnya cuma ngandelin tesla doank sama BYD
