launching All New Corolla Altis

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Guys, Bagaimana launching All New Corolla Altis hari ini di Senayan City, review dong.
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bsk launching di bandung. tar gw review n foto2 kalo bisa
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Jangan lupa SPG nya yang kaya di Neo Mbak Leno ya
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ud liat gue at SenCi.... keren luar dalem... but.... pas liat kaki-kaki blkg..... eh, msh pake Sistem Torsion Beam (Biasa dipake buat hemat harga & mobil-mobil city car)... :glodak:

Kompetitornya aja pada pake Full Independent....

Why???

Why??

Why??
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karena torsion beam yg baru itu udah disempurnain.

handling ga cuma semata2 pengaruh dari torsion beam

cape dee bahasnya ini terus -_-
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Sebenernya sih kalo cuma mo bawa sehari2, ga masalah koq mau torsion beam or independent. Bbrp mfg memilih torsion beam mungkin untuk alasan cost saving karena mobil yang dibuat kan juga tidak performance oriented. Corolla kan lebih identik dengan mobil rakyat, cuma karena di Indo harganya mahal jadi kelasnya beda :) Bahkan Civic Euro Type R hatchback juga masih torsion beam koq :D
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bener. torsion beam lebi murah cost nya

tp yg jelas mcpherson di all new ama di torsion beam di altis..

secara handling tetep enak altis (sama2 std)
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Tetep aja klo dibandingin ama Full independent di blkg... nyaman full-independent.... :ngacir:

CAMRY aja tetep mempertahankan Full Independent yg simple (cm dual-link strut + Machperson strut) tp efektif... :mrgreen:

Cost-saving??? for IDR 300million mid-sedan..... non-sense... :ungg:
Anyway, the competitor use Full independent.... :mad:
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@boilers

Emang sih gak mslh klo yg bawa ibu-ibu....

buat gue... masalah :mrgreen:

Sumpeh... gue prnh baca majalah Autocar UK Road Test...it says
"Unfortunately, when we sit in the back seat, the comfortness of this Civic Hatchback disturbed by the Torsion-beam suspension, especially when we test the car at the cavity road...

"You know the Torsion-beam is not comfort as independent suspension"

:lol:

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OK.... Torsion-beam problem is done... Let discuss the other thing of altis... except suspension.... :mrgreen:
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lampu "si pirates", lampu belakangnya kiri putih, kanan merah; said as lampu kabut.

kapan keluar yg dual vvt-i seperti versi luar ya, mungkin 2010 nih.

Styling dashboad & interiornya minim, spt mobil kemarin.
Speedometernya dikatakan optitron, tapi koq tidak "hidden display" (saat mesin off) spt yg optitron toyota lain yah? spt bukan optitron, gitu.
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halah cape liat nick budi_gentle yg diurusin torsion beam mulu

fanatikan honda ya bos?? haha

@GTR: bocoroan yg gw denger pas facelift baru dikasi 2ZR-FE dual VVT-i (thn 2010)
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akhirnya, TAM untuk pertamakali nya skrg pakai "4speed tiptronik" juga di kelas tengah.
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Transmisi manumatic (step/tip-tronic) sekarang udah bukan barang mewah lagi bos. :D. baguslah untuk menambah competitive adv new altis
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@satyr...

Gue cuma alergi aja klo liat mbl mahal tp masih pake Torsion-beam... :ungg:

Gue sih netral gak milih-milih mobil... mazda 3 tuh keren bgt... hatchback but Full independent :mrgreen:

Anyway.. keren sih ud pake HID, & tiptronic... but unfortunately still 4speed...
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ad yg uda test drive ne mbl lm?? rasa nya gmn ne mbl dibanding altis sebelumnya(performa and kenyamanan) ?? lebih yahut ga??
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ayo ayo..bkn gebrakan kaya topic neo baleno donk..mantep pict ny..
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budi_gentle wrote:ud liat gue at SenCi.... keren luar dalem... but.... pas liat kaki-kaki blkg..... eh, msh pake Sistem Torsion Beam (Biasa dipake buat hemat harga & mobil-mobil city car)... :glodak:

Kompetitornya aja pada pake Full Independent....

Why???

Why??

Why??
Independent tidak menjadi ukuran bahwa mobil tersebut menjadi nyaman, malah sekarang teknologi torsion beam kenyaman setara dengan full indenpendent, dan juga tergantung racikan dari pabrik masing2.
Tapi iya juga seh kenapa Corolla dari generasi twin cam, great, all new, sampe generasi terakhir ini tetap pake torsiom beam ya..tapi untuk sektor kenyamanan ga kalah dari kompetitor yg sdh independent.
Halo Pihak TAM????
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@ALEXANDER

Masih ngomongin torsion-beam nih... :shock: :mrgreen:

Soory sebelumnya gue akan ngomong yg... little miss from the topic... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Gini.... kemaren gue sempet diskusi ama kenalan gue supervisor BeRes Toyota Klender Jak-Tim...

Gue bahas masalah torsion-beam (semi-independent) bla bla bla... vs independent bla bla bla...

So, kesimpulannya adalah... biar gimanapun kenyamanan dan kestabilan kaki-kaki full-independent vs semi independent (torsion beam, dll)... memang lbh unggul Full-Independent... Tapi klo dari segi easy maintenance & cost saving, lebih unggul si torsion beam...

That's why mobil-mobil yg dikategorikan medium-saloon oleh toyota seperti Camry, dan SUV seperti RAV4, harrier, dsb... memakai full-independent.. namun konstruksi kaki-kaki Full-independent yg digunakan simpel & easy maintenance, but effective.... Full-independent itu punya jarak pergerakan suspensi yg terbaik, dan masing-masing roda bisa bergerak sendiri-sendiri tanpa menganggu roda yg lain...

But... why Corolla still use the torsion-beam til today??... Only Toyota Asia Development Division can answer this....

Tapi, coba liat deh & tanya ke orang-orang, forum, majalah, dsb... kenapa toyota corolla dari dulu tidak pernah menang soal HANDLING & STABILITAS vs mobil-mobil sekelas yg sudah menggunakan konstruksi Full-Independent??... Bahkan temen saya sendiri punya beberapa mobil tsb (Altis 04, Civic 04, & Old 90's BMW 3 series, etc...).. dalam hal ini gue gak akan ngebandingin mobil-mobil tersebut... tapi pada kenyataannya semua mobil tersebut dalam keadaan shock-absorber yg sudah diganti dgn merk KONI.. tetep Corolla Altis can't beat the others...
Don't compare with BMW + KONI..!!!.. even it's OLD BEEEMER.. :mrgreen:

Dan liat new camry yg menggunakan konstruksi Full-Independent yg simpel tapi dgn racikan terbaik bisa melibas NEW ACCORD, TEANA, MAZDA 6!!!!! sekelas...??

Corolla NEW ALTIS yg sekarang bisa menang lawan kompetitor dgn mengandalkan fitur & kemewahan kabin... but not about handling & stability....

Anyway, I Love Toyota very much, coz of the durability...

itu aja....

BACK TO TOPIC PLEASE..!!!
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Bro2 disini semua ga perlu berantem.. menurut saya memang full independent lebih memiliki kenyamanan dan kestabilan lebih jadi untung juga tapi torsion beam juga bagus biaya cost lebih murah dan lebih hemat tempat ex: honda city bagasinya bisa ngalahin bagasinya civic cz ga ada gundukan suspensi yg berlebih di bagasi jadi lebih luas, sekarang terserah bro disini semua mau cari mobil full independent nyaman makan tempat dan mahal apa torsion beam murah (perawatannya) cukup nyaman (menurut saya) dan tidak terlalu makan tempat.. Tapi rata2 mobil balap emang pake double wishbone independen (FORMULA 1)..dan setiap suspensi punya kelebihan dan kekurangan masing2
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Bro disini semua kalo mau stabil mana mobil independen sama torsion beam bisa dilihat waktu ITCC saya pernah baca wawancara pembalap ITCC yg pernah pake porsche 911 standar dgn jazz ITCC dia bilang masih akurat dan stabil jazz ITCC yg suspensinya untuk balap.. pertama saya ga percaya.. tapi setelah dipikir2 lagi why not setiap mobil pasti punya kemampuan maksimal stabilitasnya ... note : ini omongannya pembalap lo bukan amatiran hehehe..
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@ALDY

YAaaa iyalah bossss... mbl STD bandingin ama ITCC.... :ungg:

Walau itu porsche.. tapi tetep aja dirancang buat bisa comfort di jalan raya... beda ama jazz... yg bodinya compact & jauh lbh ringan apalg ITCC... tapi coba bandinginnya yg relevan dong.. misal antara CIVIC ITCC vs JAZZ ITCC... klo ada... :mrgreen:
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budi_gentle wrote:@ALDY

YAaaa iyalah bossss... mbl STD bandingin ama ITCC.... :ungg:

Walau itu porsche.. tapi tetep aja dirancang buat bisa comfort di jalan raya... beda ama jazz... yg bodinya compact & jauh lbh ringan apalg ITCC... tapi coba bandinginnya yg relevan dong.. misal antara CIVIC ITCC vs JAZZ ITCC... klo ada... :mrgreen:
Pls back to topic awal "launching all new corolla Altis"
Kalo mau ngomongin soal suspensi lagi bikin thread baru aja. :capede:
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Alexander wrote:
budi_gentle wrote:ud liat gue at SenCi.... keren luar dalem... but.... pas liat kaki-kaki blkg..... eh, msh pake Sistem Torsion Beam (Biasa dipake buat hemat harga & mobil-mobil city car)... :glodak:

Kompetitornya aja pada pake Full Independent....

Why???

Why??

Why??
Independent tidak menjadi ukuran bahwa mobil tersebut menjadi nyaman, malah sekarang teknologi torsion beam kenyaman setara dengan full indenpendent, dan juga tergantung racikan dari pabrik masing2.
Tapi iya juga seh kenapa Corolla dari generasi twin cam, great, all new, sampe generasi terakhir ini tetap pake torsiom beam ya..tapi untuk sektor kenyamanan ga kalah dari kompetitor yg sdh independent.
Halo Pihak TAM????
woi woi.. twincam ampe all new ga torsion beam

balik ke torsion beam sejak Altis
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kalau menurut saya kenapa kok varian altis yang manual masih pakai drum brake,, repot juga ya kalau bagi penggemar manual yang ingin fasilittas type G ?