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apakah hasil dr pengujian dyno-test sudah akurat?

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Halo semua..
selama ini sy cuma nongkrong diforum motor aja.

saya ambil contoh dr tabloid motorplus edisi bbrp minggu yg lalu mengenai uji dyno test Honda Supra Fit yg menggunakan berbagai bensin dr tiga produsen Pertamina, Shell dan Petronas, sebenarnya ketiga bensin inilah yg diuji coba dgn menggunakan dyno.

Di dyno-test terlihat tenaga maksimum Supra sktr 6,5dk sedangkan spesifikasinya diwebsite AHM tenaga maksimum 8dk. Mana yg benar nih?
Rata2 pengujian yg menggunakan mesin dyno adalah pd mobil.

Pertanyaan sy..

- Bagaimana bs terlhihat perbedaan yg sgt jauh antara diatas kertas spesifikasi lain dan dimesin dyno lain?

- Apakah hasil dr uji mesin dyno sama dgn pd waktu mobil/motor dipakai dijalan?

- Apakah mesin dyno bs mendeteksi kekurangan angin pd ban yg menyebabkan tenaga mesin mobil/motor jg ikut drop oleh krn itu?

- Bagaimana dgn bebannya misalnya mobil diisi oleh 4 orang atau motor dipakai berboncengan? Apa mesin dyno jg bs mendeteksi hal2 spt ini?

sorry kalo kebanyakan pertanyaan..

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Di dyno-test terlihat tenaga maksimum Supra sktr 6,5dk sedangkan spesifikasinya diwebsite AHM tenaga maksimum 8dk
Ini mplus desember ya?
di site AHM, 7.29PS , alias sekitar 7.19 HP. HP (horsepower) = dk(daya kuda).
Berarti ada beda 0.5-0.6 dk. Itu suprafit taon 2004, dng kondisi baru beli serta perawatan yg kita gak tau trackrecordnya.
Disamping itu, ada 2 'gaya' dynamometer test :
1. langsung dihubungkan ke sprocket depan (lihat attachment)
2. lewat roda belakang
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Kondisi test yg berbeda ini hasilnya juga beda tentunya.
Test tidak dibebani penumpang/pengendara.
Mudah2an menjawab pertanyaan2 bro anak_singkong.
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Mumpung lagi bahas tentang tenaga kuda saya mau sekalian nanya tentang conversion dari PS ke HP.....kalau 186 PS itu sama dengan berapa HP yah ?
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kalo gak salah PS itu singkatan dr Pferke Starche deh CMIIW yah.. :) itu istilah dr bahasa Jerman.

sedangkan HP itu singkatan dr horse power kalo yg ini istilah bhs Inggris.

Kalo diterjemahkan ke dlm bhs Indonesia artinya: daya kuda; sama aja kan.
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wah..
bung yoyo ini langganan motorplus yah? sampe tahu edisi2nya. :)

kalo gitu berarti data2 dlm dyno gak akurat dong? lantas apa gunanya dyno-test kalo begitu motor/mobil dikendarai pasti tenaga mesinnya agak dibawah dr yg ada pd data dimesin dyno.
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jeremyray wrote:Mumpung lagi bahas tentang tenaga kuda saya mau sekalian nanya tentang conversion dari PS ke HP.....kalau 186 PS itu sama dengan berapa HP yah ?
PS: PferdeStarke
1PS sekitar 0.986HP

@anak_singkong
gw gak langganan. kebetulan aja mplus yg itu deket meja komputer :)
kalo gitu berarti data2 dlm dyno gak akurat dong? lantas apa gunanya dyno-test kalo begitu motor/mobil dikendarai pasti tenaga mesinnya agak dibawah dr yg ada pd data dimesin dyno.
gw tanya bro dulu, darimana kita bisa mengetahui nilai tenaga sebuah mesin, yg besar nilainya loe bilang di bawah data di mesin dyno ?

Khan yg muncul kepermukaan menurut bro sblmnya:
1. data diatas kertas X hp
2. data hasil dynotest X-0.6 hp
X itu sendiri hasil test pabrikan toh, hanya saja perangkat&methode yg dipakai blm tentu sama plek (persis) dng yg dilakukan mplus

Klo gw blm nangkep, coba bro jelas lagi yg bro maksud :)
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Sekalian nanya, kalo dyno test buat boil kira2 kena biaya berapa ya?
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yoyoyo wrote:
Klo gw blm nangkep, coba bro jelas lagi yg bro maksud :)
maksudnya..
data yg ada dimesin dyno kurang akurat dibanding dgn ketika kendaraan dipakai berjalan begitu.

masih kurang jelas? :wink:
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anak_singkong wrote:
yoyoyo wrote:
Klo gw blm nangkep, coba bro jelas lagi yg bro maksud :)
maksudnya..
data yg ada dimesin dyno kurang akurat dibanding dgn ketika kendaraan dipakai berjalan begitu.

masih kurang jelas? :wink:
jelas.
jelas klo bro anak_singkong punya pengertian yg beda :D

maksud bro singkong, misal hasil dyno 10hp (baik yg dng roda atau lsg ke sproket), dan ketika dipakai berjalan maka mesin tsb kurang dari 10hp ?
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Re: apakah hasil dr pengujian dyno-test sudah akurat?

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anak_singkong wrote:Halo semua..
selama ini sy cuma nongkrong diforum motor aja.

saya ambil contoh dr tabloid motorplus edisi bbrp minggu yg lalu mengenai uji dyno test Honda Supra Fit yg menggunakan berbagai bensin dr tiga produsen Pertamina, Shell dan Petronas, sebenarnya ketiga bensin inilah yg diuji coba dgn menggunakan dyno.

Di dyno-test terlihat tenaga maksimum Supra sktr 6,5dk sedangkan spesifikasinya diwebsite AHM tenaga maksimum 8dk. Mana yg benar nih?
Rata2 pengujian yg menggunakan mesin dyno adalah pd mobil.

Pertanyaan sy..

- Bagaimana bs terlhihat perbedaan yg sgt jauh antara diatas kertas spesifikasi lain dan dimesin dyno lain?

- Apakah hasil dr uji mesin dyno sama dgn pd waktu mobil/motor dipakai dijalan?

- Apakah mesin dyno bs mendeteksi kekurangan angin pd ban yg menyebabkan tenaga mesin mobil/motor jg ikut drop oleh krn itu?

- Bagaimana dgn bebannya misalnya mobil diisi oleh 4 orang atau motor dipakai berboncengan? Apa mesin dyno jg bs mendeteksi hal2 spt ini?

sorry kalo kebanyakan pertanyaan..


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Kalau di brosur/website kan pengukuran langsung pada mesin (satuannya HP), dan dilakukan pada lingkungan yang ideal
Sedangkan pada mesin dyno biasanya pengukuran dilakukan pada roda (satuannya Brake Horse Power/BHP). Ada power lost karena transmisi, ban, cuaca, dll.
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gak beda kok
dari http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/power1.htm

BHP and HP


All the B means is "brake". The old word for a dyno - because the engine torque was measured by applying a brake to the flywheel rather than a torque converter or electrical motor which is how it's done nowadays. There's no other difference between the two and they both just mean horsepower.
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yoyoyo wrote:gak beda kok
dari http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/power1.htm

BHP and HP


All the B means is "brake". The old word for a dyno - because the engine torque was measured by applying a brake to the flywheel rather than a torque converter or electrical motor which is how it's done nowadays. There's no other difference between the two and they both just mean horsepower.
Hehe......bener oom. saya salah kutip.

di
http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-cor ... torque.htm
ada keterangan sebagai berikut:
Brake Horsepower (bhp): Prior to electronic bench testing, horsepower was quantified as the amount of resistance against a flywheel brake. Although the method is no longer used, the term remains an industry standard.

Gross Horsepower: Absolute maximum horsepower at the flywheel, with no load or drag from auxiliary systems, such as the alternator, water pump, etc. Created in an ideal environment with precisely controlled intake and exhaust flow characteristics, this category is of little practical use.

Net Horsepower: Maximum horsepower at the flywheel, with intake and exhaust systems in place and accounting for load from auxiliary systems. This is what most automotive manufacturers publish as SAE net horsepower.

Real-wheel Horsepower: Measured on a chassis dyno, the maximum horsepower transferred to the ground by the rear wheels. It can be affected by gearing, with lower (numerically higher) gearing tending to indicate a lower torque peak. Considered the most practical measurement of usable horsepower, it is the standard used in all 4WD vehicle tests whenever possible.
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Post by anak_singkong »

oh tadinya sy kira BHP itu singkatan dr Best Horse Power.. :)

mungkin BHP itu kali yah yg akurat? krn diukur dr sdkt 'power lost' spt misalnya tekanan roda, transmisi, dsb.

kalo gitu akurat jg tuh tp gak tahu deh kalo udah dijalan gimana.
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bro singkong, HP sama BHP sama. Akurasi khan masalah alat ukurnya, bukan dari mesin motor itu.

yg bro maksud itu cenderung usable/real ketika di jalan khan? jadi bukan mengenai akurasinya. makanya bro w1ndut posting mengenai Net & Real horsepower.
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Kalau ada selisih hasil dynotest, mungkin harus dilihat metode pengukurannya. Kalau data pabrik biasanya yang diambil dari tenaga mesin secara langsung. Sedangkan jika kita test sendiri, tenaga mesin jelas sudah berkurang, karena harus melewati banyak hambatan hingga ke roda/rantai.

Jadi bila data pabrik 8 dk, sebenarnya power mesin. Bila dites hasilnya 6,5dk adalah wajar. Karena 1,5dk merupakan power yg hilang akibat penyaluran ke roda.

Kalau dipakai di jalan, jelas makin berkurang. Karena faktor hambatannya makin banyak. Apalagi bila beban bertambah. Ini kenapa mobil dengan power 200hp bisa kalah cepat dengan motor dengan power 200hp. Ini disebabkan weight to power ratio yg berbeda
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y_anjasrana wrote: Ini kenapa mobil dengan power 200hp bisa kalah cepat dengan motor dengan power 200hp. Ini disebabkan weight to power ratio yg berbeda
Tidak usah mobil 200 hp vs motor 200 hp.
Mobil 60 hp vs motor 15 hp saja, sudah dapat dipastikan motor 15 hp yang menang, karena weight to power rationya bagusan motor. :)