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wah....
jangan bandingkan sama MRT singapore yg begitu maju donk!!
Just FYI, MRT di singapore untuk jalur selatan utara (Jalur ungu) itu driverless, alias ngga ada sopirnya sama sekali / masinis. Fully computerized and berjalan baik2 saja selama ini.
belum lagi fasilitas dalam MRT and bus bus umum di singapore yg semuanya diberikan LCD TV. Bisa dibayangkan budget satu bus itu berapa duit....

Di kota-kota Eropa n Amrik aja belum sampai kyk gitu koq.

Sebenarnya menurut saya, Busway sudah cukup bagus, tapi....... angkutan lainnya itu loh yg merusak sistem transport kita. Sistem transport mikro yang bisa masuk ke jalan2 kampung, yang tidak nyaman n susah deh..... Mikrolet/Bajaj/ Kancil/ Ojek,aren't there any better solution than this??
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the-mantal wrote:wah....

angkutan lainnya itu loh yg merusak sistem transport kita. Sistem transport mikro yang bisa masuk ke jalan2 kampung, yang tidak nyaman n susah deh..... Mikrolet/Bajaj/ Kancil/ Ojek,aren't there any better solution than this??
Menurut saya transporter yg kebanyakan paling ngawur itu motor...... bukan cuma masalah buat mobil, tapi juga buat pejalan kaki yg trotoarnya suka diambil seenak jidat yg bawa tuh kendaraan...
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motor itu rasanya udah saking banyaknya jadi mereka bingung harus lewat mana hehehehe.
bahakan honda juga bikin pabrik sampe 3.

nih quote adari forum sebelah ada yang bilang "Bus & Mikrolet & Bajaj & Motor karena kalau mau belok hanya Tuhan dan supirnya yang tau (gak pake lampu sen)"
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Saya tetap yakin LRT (MRT atas tanah) paling OK !

Look ! concept Busway ama LRT itu sebenernya mirip kok ! Fixed route, ngak bisa sembarangan berenti di mana mana !

Jadi LRT itu mirip Busway TAPI route buswaynya di atas tanah ! Jadi masing masing ada route sendiri. Ngak ganggu masin masing !

Memang lebih mahal. Tapi setidaknya lebih murah dari MRT, dan saat banjir, justru naik LRT paling sip !

Look at Kuala Lumpur ! Mereka juga belum semaju Singapura, but I think their LRT serves them very well !

Masalahnya sebelum busway saja government sendiri sudah hitung, boros BBM gara gara macet sudah 1 tahun besar sekali. Apalagi sekarang. Macet makin parah ! All those BBM di buang saat macet total. The Cost is now even higher !

LRT juga sekali jalan, bisa ngangkut lebih banyak penumpang !

Malaysia is a country with more smart and honest leaders ! And now I understand kenapa mereka bangun LRT instead of some Colombia system !
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WP wrote: Menurut saya transporter yg kebanyakan paling ngawur itu motor...... bukan cuma masalah buat mobil, tapi juga buat pejalan kaki yg trotoarnya suka diambil seenak jidat yg bawa tuh kendaraan...
mpoezz wrote: motor itu rasanya udah saking banyaknya jadi mereka bingung harus lewat mana hehehehe.
gua kan kadang pake motor juga nih..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :cry: :cry: :cry:
saya sih gak pernah pake jalur trotoar...tapi pake cara laen....masuk halaman kantor orang dan keluar lagi lewat pintu exit pagarnya...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: tanggung kan kalo mau jelekin motor....

saya sih juga kadang sebel ama motor, tapi kalo jelekin motor, jangan lupa kebaikan motor/bajaj yang biasanya malah memberikan kita peluang kita untuk berpindah jalur pada saat macet dan juga u-turn pada saat macet.... dengan cara pepetin aja motor/ bajaj nya....paling mobil/truk yang di belakang motor/bajaj geleng2 kepala :e-dance: :e-dance: :e-dance:
jadi ada timbal balik kan antara motor/bajaj dan mobil...
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handling wrote:
WP wrote: Menurut saya transporter yg kebanyakan paling ngawur itu motor...... bukan cuma masalah buat mobil, tapi juga buat pejalan kaki yg trotoarnya suka diambil seenak jidat yg bawa tuh kendaraan...
mpoezz wrote: motor itu rasanya udah saking banyaknya jadi mereka bingung harus lewat mana hehehehe.
gua kan kadang pake motor juga nih..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :cry: :cry: :cry:
saya sih gak pernah pake jalur trotoar...tapi pake cara laen....masuk halaman kantor orang dan keluar lagi lewat pintu exit pagarnya...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: tanggung kan kalo mau jelekin motor....
wah jarang2 nih yg biasa enak duduk di seri 7 naik motor......kalo macet biasa ngojek pak? hehehe..... :lol:

Tapi sbenernya saya gak jelekin motor......kalo gak percaya mendingan liat realita aja di lapangan, tanya para pejalan kaki, & pengemudi mobil, bahkan hal ini pernah dimuat di majalah Autobild Indonesia!

So, saya kira dasarnya udah cukup
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iya deh bos........ :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

mimpi mode : ON
gua gak mau naik motor lagi deh......biar jakarta lancar gak macet....dan biar gua juga gak disalahin ama bos2 disini.....
mimpi mode : OFF :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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WP wrote:
handling wrote:
WP wrote: Menurut saya transporter yg kebanyakan paling ngawur itu motor...... bukan cuma masalah buat mobil, tapi juga buat pejalan kaki yg trotoarnya suka diambil seenak jidat yg bawa tuh kendaraan...
mpoezz wrote: motor itu rasanya udah saking banyaknya jadi mereka bingung harus lewat mana hehehehe.
gua kan kadang pake motor juga nih..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :cry: :cry: :cry:
saya sih gak pernah pake jalur trotoar...tapi pake cara laen....masuk halaman kantor orang dan keluar lagi lewat pintu exit pagarnya...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: tanggung kan kalo mau jelekin motor....
wah jarang2 nih yg biasa enak duduk di seri 7 naik motor......kalo macet biasa ngojek pak? hehehe..... :lol:

Tapi sbenernya saya gak jelekin motor......kalo gak percaya mendingan liat realita aja di lapangan, tanya para pejalan kaki, & pengemudi mobil, bahkan hal ini pernah dimuat di majalah Autobild Indonesia!

So, saya kira dasarnya udah cukup
wah biasa pak,pak handling ini kan suka merakyat.lagian dia bilang sayang ama seri 7 nya hehehehe.

motor emang rada2 gila sih.cuman saya kagum kayak nya banyak orang indo yang bisa gantika rossi,soalnya nyali nya bawa motor gede gede sih pada berani mati semua heheheheh
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Post by conan »

Hmm, Dark Lord, aku belum pernah dengar 'LRT'. Yang aku tahu 'di atas tanah', ya monorail yang tepatnya 'di atas jalan', karena kalau di atas tanah ya semua transportasi darat juga di atas tanah : mobil, sepeda, kereta dll.

Singkatan dari apa itu 'LRT'?

As I know it, MRT adalah singkatan dari Mass Rapid Transit, yang artinya sekali jalan bisa mengangkut banyak orang. Subway trains (di bawah tanah) dan monorail (di atas jalan) termasuk MRT ini.

Tolong jelaskan tentang 'LRT', singkatan dari apa dan apa bedanya dengan MRT...
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MRT bukannya Mass Rapid Transport?

LRT Lord Rapid Transport..?? ;)

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aidan wrote:MRT bukannya Mass Rapid Transport?..
Thanks for the correction, Mr. Aidan. I made a typo because I was recalling Singapore's Transit Link cards for the MRT.
LRT Lord Rapid Transport..?? ;)
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Both correct I think..

Ada yang bilang transit, ada yang bilang transport..

Tapi kalo di Sing sama Thailand memang mereka nyebutnya Transit.. Dan perusahaannya juga Mass Rapid Transit of Singapore....

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Post by conan »

aidan wrote:
Tapi kalo di Sing sama Thailand memang mereka nyebutnya Transit.. Dan perusahaannya juga Mass Rapid Transit of Singapore....

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So I guess it's 'transit' after all...
Still, what is 'LRT'??
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conan wrote:
aidan wrote:
Tapi kalo di Sing sama Thailand memang mereka nyebutnya Transit.. Dan perusahaannya juga Mass Rapid Transit of Singapore....

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So I guess it's 'transit' after all...
Still, what is 'LRT'??
Nggak kalo di India... mereka malah refer to Mass Rapid Transport...

LRT mungkin sith lord refer ke "Land Rapid Transport"?
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aidan wrote:
conan wrote:
aidan wrote:
Tapi kalo di Sing sama Thailand memang mereka nyebutnya Transit.. Dan perusahaannya juga Mass Rapid Transit of Singapore....

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So I guess it's 'transit' after all...
Still, what is 'LRT'??
Nggak kalo di India... mereka malah refer to Mass Rapid Transport...

LRT mungkin sith lord refer ke "Land Rapid Transport"?
'Land'? Itu sih kereta api biasa, mobil juga termasuk...
Lagipula 'M'pada MRT kan bukan = bawah tanah, M adalah MASS, jadi kenapa bisa ada 'L'? Apakah L adalah lawan dari MASS yaitu 'LONELY'?
Itu sih maksudnya orang yang nyetir mobil sendirian kan.
Btw mana sih Dark Lord??
Tolong jelaskan apa itu 'LRT' yang Anda sebut berkali2 di atas! Bikin orang penasaran nih!
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Saya sendiri lupa singkatan LRT. Pokoknya itu macam MRT tapi keretanya dan railnya semua di atas tanah ! Seperti yang di Changi Airport Singapura. Mau dari terminal 1 ke 2 naik kereta atas tanah yang ngak ada pilotnya !

Maybe something like eLevated Rail Transport ! Tapi saya yakin bukan ERT !

But I like the Lord's Rapid Transport ! It suits me fine !

I mean its just perfect ! Ngak makan jalan, cuman makan space udara. Kaki railnya bisa di banggun atas road divider yang ada saat ini.

Tuh sebenernya Jakarta mau bikin, yang mulai di Plaza Senayan situ, di Asia Afrika. Tapi ngak tau kenapa start stop terus !
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"Lonely Rapid Transport"..."

Hahaha... thats a good one bung Conan.. :):):)

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Oh ! Jangan kirain itu seperti kereta api yang juga ada railnya di tanah ! No ! LRT itu railnya berapa meter di atas tanah !

Its like those roller coasters, cuman LRT ngak exciting ! Or seperti bagian MRT Singapura yang dari Bishan ke Jurong East. Semuanya tinggi di atas tanah ! Malah di utara, dari MRTnya bisa lihat banggunan Johor Malaysia ! And its quite tall ! Bisa dari jendela MRT lihat tipe mobil apa yang sering ada di jalanan Singapura !

Perfect for Car Watchers !
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U know, kadang I pikir U emotionally unstable !

Baik baik ngobrol, BANG ! Mendadak jadi marah marah ! Wong saya ngak ngapain kok ! Ngak inggat apa LRT apakah salah ?

Jezz ! Man !
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hahaha...... emotionally unstable..... hihihi....

i think LRT = Light Rapid Transit.... pernah baca kayanya dimana gitu..... lupa...
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LRT= light rail transit system

The Manila Light Rail Transit System, popularly known as the LRT, is the main metropolitan rail system serving the Metro Manila area. There are two lines to the LRT: LRT-1, called the Yellow Line, and LRT-2, called the Purple Line. Although the system is referred to as a "light rail transit system", some would argue the system is more akin to a rapid transit (metro) system.

The LRT is not to be confused with the Manila Metro Rail Transit System, or MRT-3, which forms a completely different but linked system.

The system is operated by the Light Rail Transit Authority, a branch of the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC).

bisa di baca disini

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Lig ... sit_System

ngak tau bener apa ngak tuh
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bisa juga seperti kata pak calvin

LRT = Light Rapid Transit

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The Sengkang Light Rapid Transit (SK) is a 10.7 km light rail line which partly opened on 18 January 2003. It is fully automated. The rolling stock is supplied by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. It is currently operated by SBS Transit.

langsung baca di sini aja

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Attempting to define "light rail"

Most rail technologies, including high-speed, freight, commuter/regional, and metro/subway are considered to be "heavy rail" in comparison. A few systems such as people movers and personal rapid transit could be considered as even "lighter," at least in terms of how many passengers are moved per vehicle and the speed at which they travel. Monorails are also considered to be a separate technology. Light rail systems can handle steeper inclines than heavy rail, and curves sharp enough to fit within street intersections (though this is hardly true for all light-rail lines). They are typically built in urban areas, providing frequent service with small, light trains or single cars.

The most difficult distinction to draw is that between light rail and streetcar or tram systems. There is a significant amount of overlap between the technologies, and it is common to classify streetcars/trams as a subtype of light rail rather than as a distinct type of transportation. The two general versions are:

1. The traditional type, where the tracks and trains run along the streets and share space with road traffic. Stops tend to be very frequent, but little effort is made to set up special stations. Because space is shared, the tracks are usually visually unobtrusive.
2. A more modern variation, where the trains tend to run along their own right-of-way and are often separated from road traffic. Stops are generally less frequent, and the vehicles are often boarded from a platform. Tracks are highly visible, and in some cases significant effort is expended to keep traffic away through the use of special signaling, level crossings with gate arms or even a complete seperation with non-level crossings. At the highest degree of separation, it can be difficult to draw the line between light rail and metros, as in the case of London's Docklands Light Railway or Wuppertal's Schwebebahn hanging rail system, which would likely not be considered "light" were it not for the contrast between it and the London Underground. Increasingly, light rail is being used to describe any rapid transit system with a fairly lower frequency compared to heavier mass rapid systems such as the London Underground or the Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore).

Many light rail systems — even fairly old ones — have a combination of the two, with both on road and off-road sections. In some countries (esp. in Europe), only the latter is described as light rail. In those places, trams running on mixed right of way are not regarded as light rail, but considered distinctly as streetcars or trams. However, the requirement for saying that a rail line is "separated" can be quite minimal — sometimes just with concrete "buttons" to discourage automobile drivers from getting onto the tracks.

There is a significant difference in cost between these different classes of light rail transit. The traditional style is often less expensive by a factor of two or more. Despite the increased cost, the more modern variation (which can be considered as "heavier" than old streetcar systems, even though it is called "light rail") is the dominant form of urban rail development in the United States. The Federal Transit Administration helps to fund many projects, but as of 2004, the rules to determine which projects will be funded are biased against the simpler streetcar systems (partly because the vehicles tend to be somewhat slower). Some cities in the U.S. (e.g. San Pedro, California) have set about building the less expensive streetcar lines themselves or with only minimal federal support. Most of these lines have been "vintage" or "heritage" railways, using refurbished or replica streetcars harkening back to the first half of the 20th century. However, a few, such as the Portland Streetcar, use modern vehicles. There is a growing desire to push the Federal Transit Administration to help fund these startup lines as well.

Light rail is generally powered by electricity, usually by means of overhead wires, but sometimes by a live rail, also called third rail (a high voltage bar alongside the track), requiring safety measures and warnings to the public not to touch it. In some cases, particularly when initial funds are limited, diesel-powered versions have been used, but it is not a preferred option. Some systems, such as the AirTrain JFK in New York City, are automatic, dispensing with the need for a driver; however, such systems are not what is generally thought of as light rail. Automatic operation is more common in smaller "people mover" systems than in light rail systems, where the possibility of grade crossings and street running make driverless operation of the latter inappropriate for safety/security reasons. However this is obviously not true in completely seperated light rail systems such as the Kelana Jaya Line in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
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This article is about the Mass Rapid Transit system in Singapore; see also Singapore Mass Rapid Transit (Disambiguation).
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The Mass Rapid Transit or MRT (Simplified Chinese: 大众快速交通 or 地铁; Malay: Pengangkutan Gerak Cepat; Tamil: சிங்கை துரிதக் கடவு ரயில்) is a rapid transit system that forms the backbone of the railway system in Singapore, with a network spanning the entire city-state. The initial section of the MRT, between Yio Chu Kang and Toa Payoh, was opened in 1987, establishing the MRT as the second oldest metro system in Southeast Asia after Manila's LRT System. The network has since grown rapidly, as a result of Singapore's aim of developing a comprehensive rail network and reducing dependency on road-based systems, such as the bus network. The MRT has 64 operating stations, over 109 kilometres of lines. The MRT works in conjunction with the Light Rapid Transit (LRT) system, which links the MRT stations with the respective public housing (HDB) estate they serve.[1] MRT services operate from 5am and usually end before 1am daily, with services being extended during the festive periods.

In 2004, the daily patronage on the MRT and LRT networks was about 1.3 million—a figure that pales in comparison with bus patronage of 2.8 million bus network.[2] The gap is narrowing as the rail network expands and bus services are withdrawn or reduced to avoid duplication of services.

The lines have been constructed by the Land Transport Authority, a department of the government of Singapore, which allocates operating concessions to profit-based corporations SMRT Corporation and SBS Transit. These operators also run bus and taxi services, thus ensuring that there is a full integration of public transport services.