New Toyota Previa/Estima
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Wah ! Itu fitnah ! Ridiculous ! Jangan lupa ! I hampir beli Noah ! And shes a Toyota, not a Nissan !
Cuman nowadays, lihat mobil Toyota baru bagus, ngak gitu excited lagi. Know why ? Cause I look at Toyota's record in Indonesia. Mereka sudah puluhan tahun jadi raja di Indonesia. And what kind of cars do they give us ?
So my view is, maybe tunggu I sudah mulai tua, baru deh bisa beli Toyota macam ini CKD version. Thus this Previa thing, why should I get so excited ? What are the chances we Indonesians bisa beli itu mobil ?
Well, the Yaris is a start. But kalau bukan gara gara Honda dan Nissan, we will all be using kapsuls today !
Well, actually one can't blame Toyota totally. Siapa yang ngak happy bisa jual barang simple, modal murah, jual profit margin besar seperti kapsul dulu ? Itu robert Kiyosaki saja bisa senyum ! BIG CASH FLOW for Toyota !
Look at the Innova. Sudah capek capek keluarkan versi baru, lebih mahal, safety feature saja ngak mau di tambah. Kalau Yaris itu saya yakin gara gara Toyota Thailand ngak mau repot repot copotin safetynya just for Indonesia.
Jangan bilang Toyota. Mobil Nissan macam GT-R saja saya ngak gitu excited. Waktu masuk Indonya masih lama !
So Jedi, just don't make me into a Toyota enemy. They have many good cars all right. Just that their line-up in Indonesia benar benar stale, considering mereka sudah amat lama jadi besar di Indonesia.
Anyway, for me, meskipun saya akui Toyota di luar negeri mobilnya bagus dan awet awet, tapi dari segi styling, hampir semua tipe mobil saya lebih suka styling Nissan.
For example the Teana looks better than the Camry. The X-Trail looks better than the RAV-4, the c24 looks better than the Noah. etc. Also in USA, the Nissan big SUVs like Armada, X-Terra, Pathfinder, look better than the Toyotas like Sequia, Tundra, Landcruiser etc. The 350Z looks better than the Celica etc.
So I just prefer Nissan styling. Thats all ! Of course itu masalah selera !
The only Toyotas that I know that I like their styling paling cuman Fortuner, Alphard, thats all I can think of !
So ibarat saya lebih suka merek baju say Guess dari pada say apa ya (saya jarang beli baju bermerek), because lebih cocok stylingnya. Thats all. Of course there are ugly Nissans too. But nowadays many are quite good looking, in my opinion !
Cuman nowadays, lihat mobil Toyota baru bagus, ngak gitu excited lagi. Know why ? Cause I look at Toyota's record in Indonesia. Mereka sudah puluhan tahun jadi raja di Indonesia. And what kind of cars do they give us ?
So my view is, maybe tunggu I sudah mulai tua, baru deh bisa beli Toyota macam ini CKD version. Thus this Previa thing, why should I get so excited ? What are the chances we Indonesians bisa beli itu mobil ?
Well, the Yaris is a start. But kalau bukan gara gara Honda dan Nissan, we will all be using kapsuls today !
Well, actually one can't blame Toyota totally. Siapa yang ngak happy bisa jual barang simple, modal murah, jual profit margin besar seperti kapsul dulu ? Itu robert Kiyosaki saja bisa senyum ! BIG CASH FLOW for Toyota !
Look at the Innova. Sudah capek capek keluarkan versi baru, lebih mahal, safety feature saja ngak mau di tambah. Kalau Yaris itu saya yakin gara gara Toyota Thailand ngak mau repot repot copotin safetynya just for Indonesia.
Jangan bilang Toyota. Mobil Nissan macam GT-R saja saya ngak gitu excited. Waktu masuk Indonya masih lama !
So Jedi, just don't make me into a Toyota enemy. They have many good cars all right. Just that their line-up in Indonesia benar benar stale, considering mereka sudah amat lama jadi besar di Indonesia.
Anyway, for me, meskipun saya akui Toyota di luar negeri mobilnya bagus dan awet awet, tapi dari segi styling, hampir semua tipe mobil saya lebih suka styling Nissan.
For example the Teana looks better than the Camry. The X-Trail looks better than the RAV-4, the c24 looks better than the Noah. etc. Also in USA, the Nissan big SUVs like Armada, X-Terra, Pathfinder, look better than the Toyotas like Sequia, Tundra, Landcruiser etc. The 350Z looks better than the Celica etc.
So I just prefer Nissan styling. Thats all ! Of course itu masalah selera !
The only Toyotas that I know that I like their styling paling cuman Fortuner, Alphard, thats all I can think of !
So ibarat saya lebih suka merek baju say Guess dari pada say apa ya (saya jarang beli baju bermerek), because lebih cocok stylingnya. Thats all. Of course there are ugly Nissans too. But nowadays many are quite good looking, in my opinion !
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Ha ha ha ...,Sithlord wrote:Wah ! Itu fitnah ! Ridiculous ! Jangan lupa ! I hampir beli Noah ! And shes a Toyota, not a Nissan !
Cuman nowadays, lihat mobil Toyota baru bagus, ngak gitu excited lagi. Know why ? Cause I look at Toyota's record in Indonesia. Mereka sudah puluhan tahun jadi raja di Indonesia. And what kind of cars do they give us ?
So my view is, maybe tunggu I sudah mulai tua, baru deh bisa beli Toyota macam ini CKD version. Thus this Previa thing, why should I get so excited ? What are the chances we Indonesians bisa beli itu mobil ?
Btw, bukannya Elgrand juga gak bakal dijual CKD sama NMI ?
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Elgrand ama Noah / Voxy kan beda ! Elgrand tau sendiri harganya mahal ! Class tinggi !
Obviusly jika anda pabrik mobil, anda akan sadar volume Elgrand akan jauh lebih dikit banding class c24 / Noah !
Anyway, Nissan sudah sadar sekarang. Jual mobil mahal terus kapan resale value bisa seperti kijang, yang sampai bikin orang pikir SEMUA model Toyota akan resale valuenya bagus !
Nissan sudah kapok ! Kalau saya bilang ! Now they know better ! Got to prioritize the 150-200 juta market, BARU bisa buktikan mobil Nissan harga 150-200 juta juga resalenya ngak jauh banding kijang !
Serious. NMI said dari dulu mereka inggin CKD Elgrand, but they predict that (apalagi jaman dulu image Nissan not as good kan) volumenya akan so small that takutnya ngak memadai !
But my prediction is, nanti sudah ada AUV and small brother, 5 years later after AUV launch orang Indo juga akhirnya hanggap resale value dan image Nissan bagus, Nissan WILL then have the confidence of CKD the Elgrand !
I don't blame NMI for lacking confidence in CKD Elgrand at this moment. Ngak usah lihat jauh jauh ! Di forum SM yang cuman angotanya 1445 orang saat ini, sudah berapa orang yang masih hanggap mereka seperti sampah !
I support Nissan on this one ! Build up yr affordable car model volumes first ! Build resale value image, BARU nanti tinggal masukin mobil lain yang lebih mahal ! Pasti yang beli juga banyak !
c24 saya tiap bulan cuman 200-300. Apalagi Elgrand ? Tapi kalau nanti sudah imagenya kuat, saya yakin an Elgrand CKD will give the CBU Alphard a lot of pain ! Cuman Not now ! The timing memang belum pas banget !
Obviusly jika anda pabrik mobil, anda akan sadar volume Elgrand akan jauh lebih dikit banding class c24 / Noah !
Anyway, Nissan sudah sadar sekarang. Jual mobil mahal terus kapan resale value bisa seperti kijang, yang sampai bikin orang pikir SEMUA model Toyota akan resale valuenya bagus !
Nissan sudah kapok ! Kalau saya bilang ! Now they know better ! Got to prioritize the 150-200 juta market, BARU bisa buktikan mobil Nissan harga 150-200 juta juga resalenya ngak jauh banding kijang !
Serious. NMI said dari dulu mereka inggin CKD Elgrand, but they predict that (apalagi jaman dulu image Nissan not as good kan) volumenya akan so small that takutnya ngak memadai !
But my prediction is, nanti sudah ada AUV and small brother, 5 years later after AUV launch orang Indo juga akhirnya hanggap resale value dan image Nissan bagus, Nissan WILL then have the confidence of CKD the Elgrand !
I don't blame NMI for lacking confidence in CKD Elgrand at this moment. Ngak usah lihat jauh jauh ! Di forum SM yang cuman angotanya 1445 orang saat ini, sudah berapa orang yang masih hanggap mereka seperti sampah !
I support Nissan on this one ! Build up yr affordable car model volumes first ! Build resale value image, BARU nanti tinggal masukin mobil lain yang lebih mahal ! Pasti yang beli juga banyak !
c24 saya tiap bulan cuman 200-300. Apalagi Elgrand ? Tapi kalau nanti sudah imagenya kuat, saya yakin an Elgrand CKD will give the CBU Alphard a lot of pain ! Cuman Not now ! The timing memang belum pas banget !
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Bukan Noah buddy, maksud saya komentar anda mengenai New Previa yang ini loh :
Ke dua mobil ini kan gak di CKD oleh ATPM indo.
Soalnya bangku baris ke 2 nya New previa ini, lebih ok dari elgrand.
But, its oke.
Memang lagi iseng ajah tuh si detective, he he he ...
Kalau anda bisa exited sama elgrand, kenapa gak bisa exited sama New Previa ?Sithlord wrote:So my view is, maybe tunggu I sudah mulai tua, baru deh bisa beli Toyota macam ini CKD version. Thus this Previa thing, why should I get so excited ? What are the chances we Indonesians bisa beli itu mobil ?
Ke dua mobil ini kan gak di CKD oleh ATPM indo.
Soalnya bangku baris ke 2 nya New previa ini, lebih ok dari elgrand.
But, its oke.
Memang lagi iseng ajah tuh si detective, he he he ...
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Anda ini selalu MENDUA, ya!
Baca sendiri :
Setelah ada "KIJANG NISSAN", mau Elgrand CKD?? HAH! MIMPI!
NMI will be JUST LIKE a SECOND TAM!
Aneh sekali kalau Anda menghujat2 Kijang tapi MEMUJA2 "KIJANG NISSAN"!
Baca sendiri :
Anda kan SAMA SAJA dengan menyarankan Nissan MENJADI TOYOTA :[cencored] wrote:Anyway, Nissan sudah sadar sekarang. Jual mobil mahal terus kapan resale value bisa seperti kijang, yang sampai bikin orang pikir SEMUA model Toyota akan resale valuenya bagus !
Nissan sudah kapok ! Kalau saya bilang ! Now they know better !
Ganti kata Toyota di atas dengan Nissan, dan jawabannya adalah AUV!! "KIJANG NISSAN"![cencored] wrote:Cuman nowadays, lihat mobil Toyota baru bagus, ngak gitu excited lagi. Know why ? Cause I look at Toyota's record in Indonesia. Mereka sudah puluhan tahun jadi raja di Indonesia. And what kind of cars do they give us ?
Setelah ada "KIJANG NISSAN", mau Elgrand CKD?? HAH! MIMPI!
NMI will be JUST LIKE a SECOND TAM!
Aneh sekali kalau Anda menghujat2 Kijang tapi MEMUJA2 "KIJANG NISSAN"!
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More details and pictures : they're very, very attractive.
http://toyota.jp/estima/dop/package/
http://toyota.jp/estima/dop/interior/index.html
http://toyota.jp/estima/dop/package/
http://toyota.jp/estima/dop/interior/index.html
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Pak conan, kalo gk salah "magic seat" itu trademarknya APV ya?conan wrote:Previa kan dijual resmi oleh ATPM! I rest my case.
More on the reclining seats, yang juga pasti ada di next generation Alphard juga (tapi belum tentu ada di Elgrand). Magic seat? Magic seat what?
Objects In The Rear View Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear
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Previa itu CBU ! Harganya CBU ! hampir 500 juta ! Apa bedanya dengan beli lewat IU seperti IVANS !?
I am talking about Toyota giving us a CKD PRevia priced at 250-300 juta ! But of course CBU is the easy way out !
Magic Seat ? Still don't know what is it ? Itu bangku tengah di baris 2 yang bisa di maju mundurkan supaya bisa sulap 7 seater jadi 8 seater ! Dan tidak perlu lipat lipat bangku seperti kapsul / innova !
Only Nissan have such seats ! Toyota / Honda mungkin mau copy tapi gengsi, jadi ya they did not !
Anyway, bung Hdrw, itu Jedi Conan bukan iseng ! Dia lebih parah dari pada daughter in law harus argue ama mother in law !
Bedanya dia ama saya, saya critik product yang sudah ADA. Kalau dia, santapan belum keluar dari dapur, dia sudah teriak dulu " Waiter, yr food sucks ! "
Like I said, if he do that in restaurants, pasti sering di tonjok dia !
I am talking about Toyota giving us a CKD PRevia priced at 250-300 juta ! But of course CBU is the easy way out !
Magic Seat ? Still don't know what is it ? Itu bangku tengah di baris 2 yang bisa di maju mundurkan supaya bisa sulap 7 seater jadi 8 seater ! Dan tidak perlu lipat lipat bangku seperti kapsul / innova !
Only Nissan have such seats ! Toyota / Honda mungkin mau copy tapi gengsi, jadi ya they did not !
Anyway, bung Hdrw, itu Jedi Conan bukan iseng ! Dia lebih parah dari pada daughter in law harus argue ama mother in law !
Bedanya dia ama saya, saya critik product yang sudah ADA. Kalau dia, santapan belum keluar dari dapur, dia sudah teriak dulu " Waiter, yr food sucks ! "
Like I said, if he do that in restaurants, pasti sering di tonjok dia !
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Apa bedanya dengan odyssey versi ATPM, hah?Previa itu CBU ! Harganya CBU ! hampir 500 juta ! Apa bedanya dengan beli lewat IU seperti IVANS !?
Memangnya kenapa kalau Anda tidak mampu beli Previa?
Di jalan banyak tuh Previa dan Odyssey ATPM dimana2.
Anda tidak usah sirik dong!
Anda ini responsnya telat, ya. I meant, 'magic seat what'? I would take the Previa's (and next Alphard's) reclining, Maybach-style seats ANY DAY over some magic seat with no Lazy Boy!Magic Seat ? Still don't know what is it ?
He, bedanya Anda denganku, aku mengolah fakta dan bisa tahu apakah suatu produk kemungkinan akan bagus atau tidak! Kalau Anda? Mau Nissan bikin becak di Purwakarta pun pasti Anda dukung!Bedanya dia ama saya, saya critik product yang sudah ADA. Kalau dia, santapan belum keluar dari dapur, dia sudah teriak dulu " Waiter, yr food sucks ! "
Like I said, if he do that in restaurants, pasti sering di tonjok dia !
Di restoran Nissan aku lihat daging tikus di kulkasnya, tentu aku teriak tidak mau! Kalau Anda? "Asalkan mereka yg bikin, tikus juga tak apa2! Toh sama2 daging! Restoran sebelah (TAM) juga toh selama ini jual!"
Huh.
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Guys ? Did U read all of that ? Belum ada bukti main semprot saja. Untung ini cuman forum. Kalau di dunia real atau bisnis / politic, buddy, U can be in real trouble and SUED !
U can say anything U want in this forum. Tapi my advice to U, never do that kind of thing in yr real world dealings with other people, companies ! Bisa repot nanti !
Anyway, U bilang ada tikus di pabrik Nissan, artinya U sudah terlalu banyak baca berita Formalin. U may even have eaten some ! Thats why U sound so " pissed "...
Lets be fair guys. Jangan belain saya atau siapa. Is it fair to say the AUV akan jelek meskipun bentuknya, featurenya, harganya, etc. SAMA sekali NGAK ada orang yang TAU ?
Besok jika Toyota bilang mau keluar SUV lagi yang baru, bikinan Karawang, or Honda, will our shaman also say " Its bound to be a piece of [cencored] ! "
Who is the biased on here ? I may sound pro-Nissan, but I always talk based on facts. Of course U are a self- profesed detective, so U are always guessing. Cuman detective sejati, mau ambil vonis juga tunggu ada bukti baru bilang " He is the thief ! " Mana ada detective yang belum ada bukti main teriak " U are guilty ! "
Ur detective license bisa di cabut ama Kapolri loh !
U can say anything U want in this forum. Tapi my advice to U, never do that kind of thing in yr real world dealings with other people, companies ! Bisa repot nanti !
Anyway, U bilang ada tikus di pabrik Nissan, artinya U sudah terlalu banyak baca berita Formalin. U may even have eaten some ! Thats why U sound so " pissed "...
Lets be fair guys. Jangan belain saya atau siapa. Is it fair to say the AUV akan jelek meskipun bentuknya, featurenya, harganya, etc. SAMA sekali NGAK ada orang yang TAU ?
Besok jika Toyota bilang mau keluar SUV lagi yang baru, bikinan Karawang, or Honda, will our shaman also say " Its bound to be a piece of [cencored] ! "
Who is the biased on here ? I may sound pro-Nissan, but I always talk based on facts. Of course U are a self- profesed detective, so U are always guessing. Cuman detective sejati, mau ambil vonis juga tunggu ada bukti baru bilang " He is the thief ! " Mana ada detective yang belum ada bukti main teriak " U are guilty ! "
Ur detective license bisa di cabut ama Kapolri loh !
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HE, memangnya dia bisa cabut licenseku? Anda juga hati2 tuh, bisa2 dilempar ke luar spaceship oleh orang2 yg sudah bosan dengan promosi Nissan Anda. Termasuk fans Nissan yang embarassed by what you're doing!Ur detective license bisa di cabut ama Kapolri loh !
HE, 'Based on facts', EH?Who is the biased on here ? I may sound pro-Nissan, but I always talk based on facts.
Seperti small AUV bakal mirip Nissan hatchback concept?
Komposisi shareholder di TAM? Sampai ada thread sendiri?
Seperti C25 invisible as thin air, tidak akan pernah lahir?
Seperti Fortuner Rp 200 jutaan?
Seperti X-Trail 2.0L yang tidak kunjung lahir?
Elgrand CKD Rp 300 juta?
AUV punya 8 headrests dan airline-style tables?
Yeah, riiight.
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Let me tell U one thing. Kalau saya sudah sebal ama orang, saya ngak akan argue atau ngomelin lagi dia.
What I will do is I will simply sever all relations and stop all communications ! I will see no evil, hear no evil !
Why are U so upset ? I don't get it ! I am just speculating on what the AUV will be. Apakah salah ? Dosa ? Yang bilang saya terlalu optimistic ya sudah ! Why get so worked up ?
I promote some Nissan cars because they are really GOOD ! Itu apakah salah ? Kecuali saya promosi Daewoo atau some silly car yang sering rusak. Apakah saya salah ?
Saya promosi mobil enak, harga wajar, safety bagus, apakah saya salah ?
Like I said, sebenernya I DON'T have to bother ! Bukan saudara saya, ngak kenal SMers ama saya !
And Nissan cannot pay me even if they want to ! Misalnya besok ada SMer yang dengar saya dan beli mobil Nissan. How in the hell will Nissan know that buyer comes from SM ?
I really get no benefit at all ! Malah internet bill saya sekarang tiap bulan 300,000 lebih ! Mayoritas untuk main di sini. Why should I bother ?
And U want to lempar I dari spaceship ? Not easy ! I got good seatbelts, good brakes, 2 airbags, and I got my electric weapon ! Not easy !
But tell me, if U really think what I am doing makes yr stomach upset, simple. We don't communicate anymore, like me and the cat. Whatever he says I just won't read, vice versa. He also won't reply. Even if he did, I juga ngak tau. Cause I see no evil !
Paling enak. Ngak usah ribut ! U go yr way, I go mine ! If U want it that way, so be it.
What I will do is I will simply sever all relations and stop all communications ! I will see no evil, hear no evil !
Why are U so upset ? I don't get it ! I am just speculating on what the AUV will be. Apakah salah ? Dosa ? Yang bilang saya terlalu optimistic ya sudah ! Why get so worked up ?
I promote some Nissan cars because they are really GOOD ! Itu apakah salah ? Kecuali saya promosi Daewoo atau some silly car yang sering rusak. Apakah saya salah ?
Saya promosi mobil enak, harga wajar, safety bagus, apakah saya salah ?
Like I said, sebenernya I DON'T have to bother ! Bukan saudara saya, ngak kenal SMers ama saya !
And Nissan cannot pay me even if they want to ! Misalnya besok ada SMer yang dengar saya dan beli mobil Nissan. How in the hell will Nissan know that buyer comes from SM ?
I really get no benefit at all ! Malah internet bill saya sekarang tiap bulan 300,000 lebih ! Mayoritas untuk main di sini. Why should I bother ?
And U want to lempar I dari spaceship ? Not easy ! I got good seatbelts, good brakes, 2 airbags, and I got my electric weapon ! Not easy !
But tell me, if U really think what I am doing makes yr stomach upset, simple. We don't communicate anymore, like me and the cat. Whatever he says I just won't read, vice versa. He also won't reply. Even if he did, I juga ngak tau. Cause I see no evil !
Paling enak. Ngak usah ribut ! U go yr way, I go mine ! If U want it that way, so be it.
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