Recall Innova (As Roda Belakang) ???
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Recall Innova (As Roda Belakang) ???
ini saya baca di forum sebelah...ada yang tahu gak ? saya baru dapat info ini.
ini kutipannya:
Hari Rabu 4/1/2006, gw ditelpon dealer auto2000 puri kembangan, tempat beli mobil Innova E. Gw disuruh ganti as roda belakang karena ada cacat pabrik.
Mereka tahu karena nomor rangka gw termasuk yang bermasalah MHF.....9375, mobil keluaran Juli 2005.
Hari Jum'at ini gw bakal klaim ke Auto 2000 Rd dalam, mereka udah gw kontak via telpon, katanya butuh 2 jam kerja. Nanti gw tanya info yang lebih detail.
ini kutipannya:
Hari Rabu 4/1/2006, gw ditelpon dealer auto2000 puri kembangan, tempat beli mobil Innova E. Gw disuruh ganti as roda belakang karena ada cacat pabrik.
Mereka tahu karena nomor rangka gw termasuk yang bermasalah MHF.....9375, mobil keluaran Juli 2005.
Hari Jum'at ini gw bakal klaim ke Auto 2000 Rd dalam, mereka udah gw kontak via telpon, katanya butuh 2 jam kerja. Nanti gw tanya info yang lebih detail.

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Bung Xtr****, wah ! nama anda lebih susah inggat dan spell dari pada nama latin dinosaurus ! Macam Spectrosephaluscarcarodon !
I think innova G should be affected too. Cause I find it highly unlikely that as roda versi E ama G and V, even 2.7 beda. That will be inefficient saat produksi. Badan sama, mesin sama, apakah as rodanya beda ? Kecuali untuk versi E specification and strength As roda versi E di kurangi ?
I think innova G should be affected too. Cause I find it highly unlikely that as roda versi E ama G and V, even 2.7 beda. That will be inefficient saat produksi. Badan sama, mesin sama, apakah as rodanya beda ? Kecuali untuk versi E specification and strength As roda versi E di kurangi ?
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hahahahaha...Sithlord wrote:Bung Xtr****, wah ! nama anda lebih susah inggat dan spell dari pada nama latin dinosaurus ! Macam Spectrosephaluscarcarodon !
I think innova G should be affected too. Cause I find it highly unlikely that as roda versi E ama G and V, even 2.7 beda. That will be inefficient saat produksi. Badan sama, mesin sama, apakah as rodanya beda ? Kecuali untuk versi E specification and strength As roda versi E di kurangi ?

ini nick gue jg asal comot kok

btw thanks atas info nya

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hehehehehe...Sithlord wrote:I see ! Habis lihat namanya seperti *#@!&~\>< " sudah puyeng dulu !
Why don't U use Superman instead ? Simple and lebih hebat dari extraordinary man !
maklum pingin punya nick yg unik gitu

hehehe..
salam kenal ya...

gue masih baru nih di dalam forum ini ..
jd ntar butuh banyak bimbingannya

n gue merasa forum ini lumayan bermanfaat

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Bukan hanya bermanfaat, tapi berita baru dan langka lebih complit dari majalah otomotif atau TV program otomotif !
People here are like those who join [cencored] forums ! (I don't !) Everything U want to know abt cars are almost always available here ! Apalagi versi yang di pakai di Indonesia !
Inggat dulu saat semua orang penasaran innova bentuknya seperti apa, THIS forum is the FIRST one to reveal the photo of the innova, right inside Toyota's factory ! I forgot who is the guy who posted those pictures. Tapi sejak itulah I become a regular member !
People here are like those who join [cencored] forums ! (I don't !) Everything U want to know abt cars are almost always available here ! Apalagi versi yang di pakai di Indonesia !
Inggat dulu saat semua orang penasaran innova bentuknya seperti apa, THIS forum is the FIRST one to reveal the photo of the innova, right inside Toyota's factory ! I forgot who is the guy who posted those pictures. Tapi sejak itulah I become a regular member !
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Cuman we lose some old members ! Mungkin mereka pikir, " Ah, urusan mobil orang lain ngapain gue urusin ? "
But I am the type who likes to share info. So I'll be around for sometime. God knows how long...
Tentu I juga banyak dapat info juga... And some heated debates too ! But well, almost all forums gitu lah ! Yang di yahoo lebih gila ! Perna ikut sekali sebentar forum politic. Wow ! Orang Amrik kalau lagi ganas / kejam, bikin kepala pusing ! Very rude mereka ! Sejak itu, I ngak pernah lihat forum yahoo lagi !
Well, talking abt cars lebih seru banding politic. what the politicians do toh kita ngak bisa apa apa.
But I am the type who likes to share info. So I'll be around for sometime. God knows how long...
Tentu I juga banyak dapat info juga... And some heated debates too ! But well, almost all forums gitu lah ! Yang di yahoo lebih gila ! Perna ikut sekali sebentar forum politic. Wow ! Orang Amrik kalau lagi ganas / kejam, bikin kepala pusing ! Very rude mereka ! Sejak itu, I ngak pernah lihat forum yahoo lagi !
Well, talking abt cars lebih seru banding politic. what the politicians do toh kita ngak bisa apa apa.
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belum tentu, karena di as roda yang terhubung langsung dgn gigi diffrensial........nah ukuran gigi diffrensial berhubungan dengan rasio gigi akhir/ final gear ratio.....Sithlord wrote: I think innova G should be affected too. Cause I find it highly unlikely that as roda versi E ama G and V, even 2.7 beda. That will be inefficient saat produksi. Badan sama, mesin sama, apakah as rodanya beda ? Kecuali untuk versi E specification and strength As roda versi E di kurangi ?
kalau anda perhatikan brosur2 mobil, biasanya final gear mobil versi A/T dan M/T pasti beda, karena biasanya girbox A/T giginya lebih "halus" jadi supaya ada torsi yang sesuai dengan beban kendaraan, final gearnya harus lebih kasar....alias perbandingannya lebih besar......
begitu juga dgn bensin dan diesel........mesin diesel mempunyai putaran mesin yang lebih rendah dari mesin otto(bensin) tetapi torsinya sangat besar, jadi final gear diesel juga lebih halus.......
jadi final gear ratio itu tergantung dari beban kendaraan, karakteristik mesin dan transmisi....jadi, hampir bisa dipastikan juga gardan dan transmisi innova V2.7 A/T berbeda dengan innova V2.0 A/T karena karakteristik mesin yang berbeda
nah, dalam produksi massal, saya kurang tahu, karena saya dahulu ditempatkan di assembling jadi saya ga liat pembuatan gardan berikut asnya......kemungkinan as antara matic-manual dan diesel-bensin berbeda.....
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itu tuh....ya kalo malem hari thread 'buka-buka diatas 17 thn' nya bisa sampe ribuan orang mampir... ...tahukan sebagai seorang laki2....saya sering dapat bocoran dari bos mpoezz...dengan foto2 syur......nya....bwakakk.ka..akk.Sithlord wrote:Bung handling, forum sebelah itu forum apa yah ? Apa ada forum mobil lain yang sama lengkapnya atau lebih besar dari SM kita ?
itu bos xtr40rd1n4rym4n juga dari sana ya....kok bisa sampe nyasar di SM....hikshksiss.s.s.s.
tapi bos sithlord cari di bagian otomotifnya.....

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Nebeng sebentar di sini. OOT dikit, tapi ramai sini, so to get attention :
Bung Conan, U mentioned that c24 di sini pakai velg dan ban yang di specdown demi cut cost.
Baru saja I baca manual c24 saya yang inggris dan printed in Japan (Kalau untuk pasar Indo biasanya bahasa Indo).
Here is what the manual says (Bung Jeremy, kalau anda jadi ambil c24, pls read this before U decide on bung Conan's suggestion):
Changing tires and wheels
When replacing a tire, use the same size, speed rating and load carrying capacity as originally equipped. Recommended types and sizes are shown in " wheels and tires " in the technical info section (There the data shows 195/65r15 !)
The use of tires other than those recommended ....can adversely affect the ride, braking, handling, ground clearance, body to tire clearance, speedometer calibration, headlight aim and bumper height. Some of these effects may lead to accidents and could result in serious personal injury.
If the wheels are changed for any reason, always replace with wheels which have the same offset dimension (15x5-1/2jj, offset 45mm printed in manual), also the one I got from NMI.
Wheels of a different offset could cause early tire wear, possibly degraded vehicle handling characteristics and/or interference with the brake discs/drums. Such interference can lead to decreased braking efficiency and/or early brake pad/shoe wear.
Thus my friends, NMI already gives c24s the Japanese c24 standard ! I don't think NMI downspec in this area !
Another example, NMI gives me Bridgestone tyres. Honda gives me Dunlop tyres ! And I notice Innovas also come with Dunlop tyres (I saw one near me one day). So tell me who is downspecking ?
Nissan c24 is NOT a cheap car below 200 juta ! NMI gains little from downspecking tyres and or wheels ! Check the c24 data in Japan if don't believe. I already got the Japanese manual !
If U think the manual is for Indonesian market with specdown data, then why is it printed in Japan and using the English language ? Also why features like sun-roofs / etc. not found in c24 here are included inside the manual ?
Bung Conan, just because Toyota and Honda often downspec does not mean other ATPMs follow suit. Sometimes they don't ! Especially in critical areas like tyres and wheels ! Kalau downspec accessories masih wajar !
If U doubt me, then find me the c24 Japanese data to prove my manual wrong !
Bung Conan, U mentioned that c24 di sini pakai velg dan ban yang di specdown demi cut cost.
Baru saja I baca manual c24 saya yang inggris dan printed in Japan (Kalau untuk pasar Indo biasanya bahasa Indo).
Here is what the manual says (Bung Jeremy, kalau anda jadi ambil c24, pls read this before U decide on bung Conan's suggestion):
Changing tires and wheels
When replacing a tire, use the same size, speed rating and load carrying capacity as originally equipped. Recommended types and sizes are shown in " wheels and tires " in the technical info section (There the data shows 195/65r15 !)
The use of tires other than those recommended ....can adversely affect the ride, braking, handling, ground clearance, body to tire clearance, speedometer calibration, headlight aim and bumper height. Some of these effects may lead to accidents and could result in serious personal injury.
If the wheels are changed for any reason, always replace with wheels which have the same offset dimension (15x5-1/2jj, offset 45mm printed in manual), also the one I got from NMI.
Wheels of a different offset could cause early tire wear, possibly degraded vehicle handling characteristics and/or interference with the brake discs/drums. Such interference can lead to decreased braking efficiency and/or early brake pad/shoe wear.
Thus my friends, NMI already gives c24s the Japanese c24 standard ! I don't think NMI downspec in this area !
Another example, NMI gives me Bridgestone tyres. Honda gives me Dunlop tyres ! And I notice Innovas also come with Dunlop tyres (I saw one near me one day). So tell me who is downspecking ?
Nissan c24 is NOT a cheap car below 200 juta ! NMI gains little from downspecking tyres and or wheels ! Check the c24 data in Japan if don't believe. I already got the Japanese manual !
If U think the manual is for Indonesian market with specdown data, then why is it printed in Japan and using the English language ? Also why features like sun-roofs / etc. not found in c24 here are included inside the manual ?
Bung Conan, just because Toyota and Honda often downspec does not mean other ATPMs follow suit. Sometimes they don't ! Especially in critical areas like tyres and wheels ! Kalau downspec accessories masih wajar !
If U doubt me, then find me the c24 Japanese data to prove my manual wrong !
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kalo penilaian sementara sy sih...bisa saja dikaitkan dgn avanza.....karena sumber barang2 sparepart 'x' itu kan bisa saja berasal dari satu sumber....walaupun jenis parts nya lain, tapi kualitas nya bisa saja beda.
saat ini siapa yang bisa tahu?....bisa saja pabrik yang khusus menangani/menjual parts as roda ke toyota/daihatsu sedang di damprat habis2an sama toyota.
atau bos2 toyota/daihatsu sekarang lagi gak bisa tidur.
tadi gua baca 'otomotif' iseng2 baca ramalan Ki Joko Bodo....katanya pertengahan tahun bakal ada merk mobil yang naik drastis yang tanpa disangka2 selama ini tidak terkenal.....merk apa ya...?????
dan banyak mobil yang celaka karena faktor safetynya minim......jadi ngeri bacanya.....
saat ini siapa yang bisa tahu?....bisa saja pabrik yang khusus menangani/menjual parts as roda ke toyota/daihatsu sedang di damprat habis2an sama toyota.
atau bos2 toyota/daihatsu sekarang lagi gak bisa tidur.
tadi gua baca 'otomotif' iseng2 baca ramalan Ki Joko Bodo....katanya pertengahan tahun bakal ada merk mobil yang naik drastis yang tanpa disangka2 selama ini tidak terkenal.....merk apa ya...?????
dan banyak mobil yang celaka karena faktor safetynya minim......jadi ngeri bacanya.....

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Read this ! Even the new c25 still uses 195/65R15 ! Apakah Nissan Jepang berani downspec di situ ?
http://www2.nissan.co.jp/SERENA/C25/050 ... main3.html
Jedi, may pojokin NMI boleh, tapi tolong mendasarkan fakta kuat. I pemilik c24. and I know her better than U. I got all her manuals, I can feel her handling. etc. Kalau downspec, pasti berasa ada sesuatu yang kurang sip !
I feel it only makes sense to downspec mobil harga murah seperti Jazz yang main di harga 140 jutaan. c24 main di 250 juta +. Downspec wheel / tyre apakah make sense ? How much can they save ?
http://www2.nissan.co.jp/SERENA/C25/050 ... main3.html
Jedi, may pojokin NMI boleh, tapi tolong mendasarkan fakta kuat. I pemilik c24. and I know her better than U. I got all her manuals, I can feel her handling. etc. Kalau downspec, pasti berasa ada sesuatu yang kurang sip !
I feel it only makes sense to downspec mobil harga murah seperti Jazz yang main di harga 140 jutaan. c24 main di 250 juta +. Downspec wheel / tyre apakah make sense ? How much can they save ?
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Cause I want to give the facts before more people believe Jedi words and think Nissan also hobby downspec gituan ! In all my Jap cars I ever buy, Nissan gives me best stuff. Lihat ban saja ketahuan.
Itu Honda, kasih saya Dunlop, cepat botak ! Gue ganti Bridgestone, sampai sekarang masih OK ! Kalau c24 sudah Bridgestone semua ! Sudah ngak pusing urusan ban cepat botak !
Itu Honda, kasih saya Dunlop, cepat botak ! Gue ganti Bridgestone, sampai sekarang masih OK ! Kalau c24 sudah Bridgestone semua ! Sudah ngak pusing urusan ban cepat botak !
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LOH, siapa pernah bilang hanya NMI yg melakukannya? Atau hanya Nissan, atau Honda?
For crying out loud, Dark Lord, everybody's doing it! Even Porsche!
Ingat velg standar Camry dulu? 16'. Sekarang? 17', karena Altis yang dulunya 15', kini pakai 16'!
Mereka 'kan sebenarnya dr dulu bisa pasang velg yang tidak under-sized, but they did not, untuk menekan harga!
Bandingkan saja velg City VTEC atau Jazz VTEC dengan City atau Jazz yg iDsi, mana yg terlihat lebih pas? What do you call that, if not downsizing to cut wheel costs??
Anda mau contoh mobil yang menurutku velg standarnya tidak under-sized??
Check out this Nissan FUGA (Infinity M45)!
Velg standarnya 18', tapi dijamin tetap empuk (karena ini sedan mewah), dan handlingnya dijamin mantap! Camry saja sekarang sudah pakai 17', dan FUGA ini kelasnya di atas Camry, jadi pantas memakai standar 18'!
And it's a Nissan! Not a cheap Nissan, so they don't downsize the wheels! Hah, you get my point?
Makanya kalau Anda perhatikan, ada orang2 yang mengganti velg standar mereka dengan yg 1 atau 2 inch lebih besar. Or maybe you think they're just idiots wasting their money??
See, Dark Lord, you're wrong 99% of the time!
For crying out loud, Dark Lord, everybody's doing it! Even Porsche!
Ingat velg standar Camry dulu? 16'. Sekarang? 17', karena Altis yang dulunya 15', kini pakai 16'!
Mereka 'kan sebenarnya dr dulu bisa pasang velg yang tidak under-sized, but they did not, untuk menekan harga!
Bandingkan saja velg City VTEC atau Jazz VTEC dengan City atau Jazz yg iDsi, mana yg terlihat lebih pas? What do you call that, if not downsizing to cut wheel costs??
Anda mau contoh mobil yang menurutku velg standarnya tidak under-sized??
Check out this Nissan FUGA (Infinity M45)!
Velg standarnya 18', tapi dijamin tetap empuk (karena ini sedan mewah), dan handlingnya dijamin mantap! Camry saja sekarang sudah pakai 17', dan FUGA ini kelasnya di atas Camry, jadi pantas memakai standar 18'!
And it's a Nissan! Not a cheap Nissan, so they don't downsize the wheels! Hah, you get my point?
Makanya kalau Anda perhatikan, ada orang2 yang mengganti velg standar mereka dengan yg 1 atau 2 inch lebih besar. Or maybe you think they're just idiots wasting their money??
See, Dark Lord, you're wrong 99% of the time!
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Mau contoh lain? How about the new Stepwagon.
Bandingkan velg standar yg hanya 15' ini dengan versi Modulo yang velg-nya 16' ini!
Which one do you think it's the PROPER wheel size and which one is the undersized one? Mana yg lebih proporsional?
Versi Modulo memang harus bayar lebih sedikit, but you get the proper wheel size for your Stepwagon! Atau ganti saja sendiri, gampang kan?
Bandingkan velg standar yg hanya 15' ini dengan versi Modulo yang velg-nya 16' ini!
Which one do you think it's the PROPER wheel size and which one is the undersized one? Mana yg lebih proporsional?
Versi Modulo memang harus bayar lebih sedikit, but you get the proper wheel size for your Stepwagon! Atau ganti saja sendiri, gampang kan?
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Dan bagaimana Anda menjelaskan ukuran velg standar Serena yang hanya 15', dibandingkan dengan velg standar Vios yang juga 15'?? Hmm? Coba Anda jawab, Dark Lord?
Yang mana yang 'undersized'??
Ini praktek umum yang dilakukan semua pabrikan mobil supaya harga mobil mereka kompetitif satu dengan yang lain!
Again, you get what you paid for!
Yang mana yang 'undersized'??
Ini praktek umum yang dilakukan semua pabrikan mobil supaya harga mobil mereka kompetitif satu dengan yang lain!
Again, you get what you paid for!