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Mobil ICE semakin mahal,Mobil Listrik di Indonesia: Masa Depan atau Angan-angan?

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fansdiesel wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:01
Zaxis wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:53
henbob wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:27 https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... m-category

Electric vehicle sales in Australia overtake petrol-driven cars in medium category for first time
Orang sana ga mikir apa ya kalo nyetir ke outback trus abis batre gimana tuh cas nya
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kebiasaan kalo ada prestasi secuil aja di gede2xin padahal hilux sendirian aja ud jualan 20rban :mky_07: belom ranger 18rb sama d max :mky_07:

emang mobil gak ada prestasi tapi mau cari muka :big_biglaugh:

lagian juga jualan naek karena virgin buyer ntar kalo ud gak virgin liat aja berapa % yang gak balik lagi :big_biglaugh:
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ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:18
lho jelas dong motifnya apa, kalo moblis laku pada pake listrik trs tambang batubara beliau punya cvvan... sebodo amat itu langit jakarta udah gak tau gimana gegara pembangkit batubara :mky_07:

pengennya kita pake wuling air ev semua kali :mky_07:

tiap ditanya solusi masalah polusi aja jawabannya suruh pake mobil listrik :mky_07: dah macem kaset rusak
terus dia kemana2x naek jet pribadi bakar minyak :drinking:
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b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:38
terus dia kemana2x naek jet pribadi bakar minyak :drinking:
blom truck tambang dy yang tiap hari operasi udah bakar minyak berapa kiloton :upss:
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ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:43

blom truck tambang dy yang tiap hari operasi udah bakar minyak berapa kiloton :upss:
jangan lupa pabrik pengolahanya di daerah terpencil mana mungkin pake nuklir apalagi batre sama baling2x bambu :mky_07:

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b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:46
ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:43

blom truck tambang dy yang tiap hari operasi udah bakar minyak berapa kiloton :upss:
jangan lupa pabrik pengolahanya di daerah terpencil mana mungkin pake nuklir apalagi batre sama baling2x bambu :mky_07:

:upss:
terus di jakarta polusinya parah penyebabnya malah dari PLTU batu bara :upss: yg dipake buat ngecas listrik mobil listrik wakakakkaka.

statistik ud membuktikan waktu lebaran pun polusinya tetep parah pdhl pada mudik :mky_07:
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ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:49
terus di jakarta polusinya parah penyebabnya malah dari PLTU batu bara :upss: yg dipake buat ngecas listrik mobil listrik wakakakkaka.

statistik ud membuktikan waktu lebaran pun polusinya tetep parah pdhl pada mudik :mky_07:
ya gpp om cuma butuh 3x lipet dari yang sekarang kok :mky_03:

saya ud itungin hasilnya di luar nurul gimane??? apa perlu saya keluarin lagi itung2xannya :big_biglaugh:
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b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:57 ya gpp om cuma butuh 3x lipet dari yang sekarang kok :mky_03:

saya ud itungin hasilnya di luar nurul gimane??? apa perlu saya keluarin lagi itung2xannya :big_biglaugh:
good lah, kita semua pake mobil listrik tp keluar mobil musti pake masker gas dan hazmat lama-lama. wakakkakakaka.

seru dibikin versi post apocalyptic movie nya. epilognya pada pake mobil V8 karbu wakakkakakaa.

gw rasa bakal diboikot karna gak pro sama kepentingan "global".
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ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:09
good lah, kita semua pake mobil listrik tp keluar mobil musti pake masker gas dan hazmat lama-lama. wakakkakakaka.

seru dibikin versi post apocalyptic movie nya. epilognya pada pake mobil V8 karbu wakakkakakaa.

gw rasa bakal diboikot karna gak pro sama kepentingan "global".
inget kebiasaan grennies bikin masalah terus kalo kebukti salah gak pernah minta maaf lagaknya ud kayak paling bener :mky_07:

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farizfsa wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:45 liat charging point di plaza senayan yang hampir selalu penuh, di plaza indonesia yang bikin lobby jadi sumpek gara2 charging mbl listrik hyundai kayanya emg harus accelerate lebih di infrastruktur dulu baru jualan mobilnya.

males jg hidup ke delay gara2 harus nungguin nge charge mobil.
Kalo cas2an mall malah benernya ini kesempatan bisnis. Yang di PS itu punya Starvo, provider yang paling mahal se Indonesia, soalnya kena surcharge sewa tempat 20.000/jam on top 1.500/kWh. Mereka pake mesin 7 kWh jadi total dikenain 4.500/kWh. Pernah iseng ngecas disana bener memang rame, kapan hari sore2 hari minggu ada 2 Ioniq 5, 1 Kona sama 4 Air EV. Yang saya kagum tuh orang yang pakai pelat B tapi ngecas disini, lha di rumah cuma kena 2000/kWh didiskon 30% jadi cuma 1400/kWh, ini mau2nya bayar 4.500/kWh :big_bored: :big_bored: :big_bored:

Kalo di Plaza Indonesia itu mesin UFDC 200 kW, Air EV ndak mungkin cas disini, jadi cuma bisa Hyundai, BMW, Porsche sama Mercedes. Yang bikin antri itu adab orang yang kurang, kalo Ioniq dari 10% ke 80% cukup 15 menit, jadi ndak perlu sampe 100%, soalnya yang 20% butuh 20-30 menit lagi. Yang jadi masalah karena benernya ini mesin gratis, jadi aktivasi cas2annya pake apps My Hyundai. Naah ini yang bikin saya heran, koq ada ya sanggup beli mobil > 700 juta masih cari gratisan, dipentokin ke 100% pulak... :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: ....

Jadi kalo di fasilitas dalam kota sebenernya bukan perkara infrastruktur tapi perkara behavior. Soalnya kalo pengalaman pribadi udah 1 tahun ini si nyari SPKLU umum cuman pas jalan luar kota doang, sisanya full 100% cas di rumah.
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Bibieight wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:06
farizfsa wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:45 liat charging point di plaza senayan yang hampir selalu penuh, di plaza indonesia yang bikin lobby jadi sumpek gara2 charging mbl listrik hyundai kayanya emg harus accelerate lebih di infrastruktur dulu baru jualan mobilnya.

males jg hidup ke delay gara2 harus nungguin nge charge mobil.
Kalo cas2an mall malah benernya ini kesempatan bisnis. Yang di PS itu punya Starvo, provider yang paling mahal se Indonesia, soalnya kena surcharge sewa tempat 20.000/jam on top 1.500/kWh. Mereka pake mesin 7 kWh jadi total dikenain 4.500/kWh. Pernah iseng ngecas disana bener memang rame, kapan hari sore2 hari minggu ada 2 Ioniq 5, 1 Kona sama 4 Air EV. Yang saya kagum tuh orang yang pakai pelat B tapi ngecas disini, lha di rumah cuma kena 2000/kWh didiskon 30% jadi cuma 1400/kWh, ini mau2nya bayar 4.500/kWh :big_bored: :big_bored: :big_bored:

Kalo di Plaza Indonesia itu mesin UFDC 200 kW, Air EV ndak mungkin cas disini, jadi cuma bisa Hyundai, BMW, Porsche sama Mercedes. Yang bikin antri itu adab orang yang kurang, kalo Ioniq dari 10% ke 80% cukup 15 menit, jadi ndak perlu sampe 100%, soalnya yang 20% butuh 20-30 menit lagi. Yang jadi masalah karena benernya ini mesin gratis, jadi aktivasi cas2annya pake apps My Hyundai. Naah ini yang bikin saya heran, koq ada ya sanggup beli mobil > 700 juta masih cari gratisan, dipentokin ke 100% pulak... :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: ....

Jadi kalo di fasilitas dalam kota sebenernya bukan perkara infrastruktur tapi perkara behavior. Soalnya kalo pengalaman pribadi udah 1 tahun ini si nyari SPKLU umum cuman pas jalan luar kota doang, sisanya full 100% cas di rumah.
Saya tiap makan siang liat ini cas casan.
ada sih cas casan Mitsu deket gerbang Palem, tapi dr luar gak kelihatan.

btw, soal harga...kenapa harganya jadi IDR 4500 / kwh ya oom ?
bukankah harusnya IDR 1500 kwh ?
soal dia pakai mesin 7 Kwh, apakah itu biin harga jadi makin naek per kwh nya ?
bukannya itu variable mesin cas casan harusnya menurut saya hanya mempengaruhi lamanya ngecass.

tks sebelumnya...
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Toyota shareholders protest EV stance with votes to oust longtime leader from the board
Peter Johnson
Jun 12 2023 - 10:39 am PT

Toyota shareholders are sending a clear message at the Japanese automaker’s annual meeting this year – it’s time to go electric. Several investors have mentioned they have voted or plan to vote to remove longtime leader Akio Toyoda from the board over the automaker’s EV stance.

Shareholders voice their opinion on Toyota’s EV stance
After Akio Toyoda, the 66-year-old grandson to the company’s founder, stepped down as CEO in January, many believed newly elected leader Koji Sato would bring the automaker into the modern era.

Toyoda has been one of the most vocal critics of going all in on EVs, insisting on sticking to a hybrid strategy despite the industry moving to an all-electric future.

Although Sato explained under his leadership the automaker would “accelerate BEV development with a new approach,” shareholders are still not thrilled with the progress.

In particular, they are pointing out Toyota’s EV stance on not setting a date to go all-electric. According to the Wall Street Journal:
Shareholders including the New York City comptrollers office, the California Public Employees’ Retirement System and several European asset managers said they have voted or plan to vote to oust several Toyota directors including Toyoda from their board seats at the meeting Wednesday.
They say their vote is a way of protesting against Toyoda’s policy of not setting a date to go all-electric like most automakers have.

Brad Lander, the NYC comptroller, explained his vote, saying, “Toyota is failing to lean, like its peers, into a timely transition to an electric fleet.” He continued to say:
We want to be persuaded that there is a transition under way and that they’ll take meaningful steps toward an all-EV commitment.
Under its newly elected leader, Toyota has made a series of announcements to help speed up the rollout. The Japanese automaker revealed it would develop a dedicated EV platform as well as introduce ten new EV models by 2026.

One of the first will be a three-row SUV, its first US-assembled electric model set for production in 2025 at Toyota’s Georgetown, Kentucky facility.

Toyota has also teased several EV concepts, including an electric family SUV (bZ FlexSpace) and a sport crossover (bZ Sport Crossover).

In addition to its first global EV, the bZ4X, Toyota released an electric sedan (bZ3) in China as it looks to keep pace in a rapidly changing market.

However, Sato has yet to set a date to go all-electric, and that’s what shareholders want to know now. When exactly will Toyota be an EV-only automaker?

Electrek’s Take
Although the chances are slim that Toyota will be removed from the board, the votes are being used as a way of protesting to push for change within the company.

While most automakers are already achieving double-digit or 100% EV sales, Toyota continues to fall further behind the pack.
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Frankly, I think that a commitment to go "all electric" by a certain date is probably pointless -- reality is that carmakers will go all electric when the market or regulatory environment means that it makes sense to do so. That said, Toyota does need to commit to offering a credible range of decent EVs to avoid falling behind competitors. For instance, I think it would make great sense for them to be working on EV versions of some of their vehicles that have been popular with "green" customers in the past. Perhaps EV versions of the Prius and/or Corolla, along with an EV version of their most popular SUV, the RAV4. If they did decent designs, those could be huge sellers.
East Peterson-Trujillo, clean vehicles campaigner with Public Citizen’s Climate Team, issued the following statement:
Two decades ago, Toyota’s hybrids were cutting-edge technology. But Toyota failed to capitalize on its electric head start. Instead, Toyota lobbied governments to ignore the perils of climate change and fought adoption of EVs. Now, shareholders are demanding more transparency from the company.
They added, “Automakers without a robust EV strategy are automakers in trouble” and that “Until Toyota stops fighting the electric vehicle future and commits to a 100% zero-emission vehicle line-up, shareholders should remain skeptical and continue to push for accountability.”

Investors are realizing that Toyota is missing out on profits in key regions like the US, Europe, and China, where EV sales are soaring. With the trend only expected to accelerate, shareholders are getting sick of waiting around while Toyota continues to delay an all-electric future.

The Japanese automaker is aiming for at least 1.5 million EV sales by 2026. For comparison, Tesla produced over 440,000 EVs in the first three months of 2023, delivering over 422,000.
makin panas aja, mau ga mau pabrikan sekelas toyota kudu ngikutin arus
source: https://electrek.co/2023/06/12/toyota-s ... ev-stance/
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ginting wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:19
Saya tiap makan siang liat ini cas casan.
ada sih cas casan Mitsu deket gerbang Palem, tapi dr luar gak kelihatan.

btw, soal harga...kenapa harganya jadi IDR 4500 / kwh ya oom ?
bukankah harusnya IDR 1500 kwh ?
soal dia pakai mesin 7 Kwh, apakah itu biin harga jadi makin naek per kwh nya ?
bukannya itu variable mesin cas casan harusnya menurut saya hanya mempengaruhi lamanya ngecass.

tks sebelumnya...
Yang selisih 3000 Itu buat bayar jasa tempat ke Starvo, biar gampang ngitungnya buat dia dibuat 20.000 per jam dibagi 7 kWh per jam = 3000/jam.. Kalo SPKLU PLN kan dijual nett 2400 ndak bayar sewa tempat. Nah yang ajaib memang yang Mitsubishi, ndak jualan mobil listrik tapi pasang HFDC, satu2nya Mitsu yang ada baterenya kan cuma Outlander PHEV, batere cuma 14 kWh, jualan juga entah berapa, sampai pasang HFDC :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh:
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b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:38
ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:18
lho jelas dong motifnya apa, kalo moblis laku pada pake listrik trs tambang batubara beliau punya cvvan... sebodo amat itu langit jakarta udah gak tau gimana gegara pembangkit batubara :mky_07:

pengennya kita pake wuling air ev semua kali :mky_07:

tiap ditanya solusi masalah polusi aja jawabannya suruh pake mobil listrik :mky_07: dah macem kaset rusak
terus dia kemana2x naek jet pribadi bakar minyak :drinking:
ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:43
b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:38
terus dia kemana2x naek jet pribadi bakar minyak :drinking:
blom truck tambang dy yang tiap hari operasi udah bakar minyak berapa kiloton :upss:
Bakso baksoooo :upss: :upss:
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kendibocor wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 14:58
b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:38
ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:18
lho jelas dong motifnya apa, kalo moblis laku pada pake listrik trs tambang batubara beliau punya cvvan... sebodo amat itu langit jakarta udah gak tau gimana gegara pembangkit batubara :mky_07:

pengennya kita pake wuling air ev semua kali :mky_07:

tiap ditanya solusi masalah polusi aja jawabannya suruh pake mobil listrik :mky_07: dah macem kaset rusak
terus dia kemana2x naek jet pribadi bakar minyak :drinking:
ChZ wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:43
b0ku wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:38
terus dia kemana2x naek jet pribadi bakar minyak :drinking:
blom truck tambang dy yang tiap hari operasi udah bakar minyak berapa kiloton :upss:
Bakso baksoooo :upss: :upss:
NAH iya belom tukang baksonya bawain bakso ke lokasi musti naek double cabin 4X4 abis solar berapa banyak tuh........ :ngacir:
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om scotty bersabda lagi nih :mky_03:
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Ekosistem nya belum terbentuk.
masyarakat belum nyaman dengan mobil listrik.
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ilhami wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:24 Ekosistem nya belum terbentuk.
masyarakat belum nyaman dengan mobil listrik.
Mikir jual lagi,
karena masyarakat mayoritas kan Market SES nya adalah LCGC LMPV LSUV

klo beli Gadget belasan juta, pakai 4-5 tahun ya udah lembiru.
batrenya jg udah drop dan layar jadi pelangi.

nothing to loose.

Mobil?....

Kecuali klo ekosistemnya berubah dengan income per kapita jadi seperti Rakyat Jerman :big_biglaugh:
nah lain cerita
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Suryaputra wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:30
ilhami wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:24 Ekosistem nya belum terbentuk.
masyarakat belum nyaman dengan mobil listrik.
Mikir jual lagi,
karena masyarakat mayoritas kan Market SES nya adalah LCGC LMPV LSUV

klo beli Gadget belasan juta, pakai 4-5 tahun ya udah lembiru.
batrenya jg udah drop dan layar jadi pelangi.
nothing too loose.

Mobil?....

Kecuali klo ekosistemnya berubah dengan income per kapita jadi seperti Rakyat Jerman :big_biglaugh:
nah lain cerita
pan mobil listrik emang ujungnya mainan orang kaya doang yang pengen keliatan "green" :big_biglaugh:

kalo emang itu works ngapain sampe orang yang berkepentingan ampe "maksa" biar semua pake. tuh barusan katanya mau ampe mempersulit beli mobil bensin ya cobain aja emang bisa :big_biglaugh:

motor listrik jg keknya tidak menemukan economic benefitnya dibanding beli macem beat vario buat narik ojol.

buat hobby ya motor 600cc lah ngapain beli motlis wakakkaka.
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ChZ wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:11
pan mobil listrik emang ujungnya mainan orang kaya doang yang pengen keliatan "green" :big_biglaugh:

kalo emang itu works ngapain sampe orang yang berkepentingan ampe "maksa" biar semua pake. tuh barusan katanya mau ampe mempersulit beli mobil bensin ya cobain aja emang bisa :big_biglaugh:

motor listrik jg keknya tidak menemukan economic benefitnya dibanding beli macem beat vario buat narik ojol.

buat hobby ya motor 600cc lah ngapain beli motlis wakakkaka.
lebih ke OKB om kalo OKL di amrik kebanyakan malah mandang mobil kayak investment malah pada suka beli mobil tua :mky_03:
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Yg buat keputusan kayak bukan orng yg hidup di indo. Sama tuh kayak yg waktu itu KAI minta nambah gerbong, ga di acc orng dpr karena bilang chaosnya kereta cuman pas lebaran :big_weee:

Ga liat pada tuh transport umum di ibukota aja masih berantakan, malah maksain beli moblis yg masih mahal n mbl bbm diancam dipersulit :big_biglaugh: dikira pendapatan perkapita masyarakat uda nyaingin singapur kali ye :big_biglaugh:
Statement yg blg mbl bbm mo dipersulit jg keliatan jawa-sentris sekali. Orng2 didaerah yg agak pelosok listrik byarpret suruh ngecharge mobil? :big_biglaugh:
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b0ku wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:23
lebih ke OKB om kalo OKL di amrik kebanyakan malah mandang mobil kayak investment malah pada suka beli mobil tua :mky_03:
lah iya OKL mah emang ga fomo. di indo jg keknya OKL ga sebanyak itu yang hobinya ikutin trend wkwkwkkw. yang suka beli barang2 baru dan ngetren emang OKB :mky_03:

OKL yang kerja bawanya innova reborn apa camry tua atau mercy E class doangan jg buanyak :mky_03:

coba influenza flexing2 porsche BMW ferrari yg akhirnya berakhir dibui wakakkakak. pdhl hartanya gak ada seupilnya hartono bersaudara :mky_03:
kendibocor wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:42 Yg buat keputusan kayak bukan orng yg hidup di indo. Sama tuh kayak yg waktu itu KAI minta nambah gerbong, ga di acc orng dpr karena bilang chaosnya kereta cuman pas lebaran :big_weee:

Ga liat pada tuh transport umum di ibukota aja masih berantakan, malah maksain beli moblis yg masih mahal n mbl bbm diancam dipersulit :big_biglaugh: dikira pendapatan perkapita masyarakat uda nyaingin singapur kali ye :big_biglaugh:
Statement yg blg mbl bbm mo dipersulit jg keliatan jawa-sentris sekali. Orng2 didaerah yg agak pelosok listrik byarpret suruh ngecharge mobil? :big_biglaugh:
skemanya nanti

pada beli moblis/motlis = naikin daya listrik rumah buat charge. trs blom untung dari investment di pertambangan. trs govt jadi banyak bikin SPKLU.

untung banyak si opung :mky_03: ya iya dia mau persulit orang hulu-hilir dia kuasai semua wkwkwkkw. klo doi yang ngomong business scheme nya udah kebayang :mky_03:

plot twist pemadaman bergilir nanti pada nyalain genset 1-cylinder :big_biglaugh:

makanya nanti kalo disuruh pake mobil listrik, keluar mobil pake gas mask krn udaranya makin hazardous di sekitar jakarta soalnya PLTUnya makin buwanyak :upss:
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Msh byk yg mandang moblis ini cuman mindain masalah aja. Padahal sama aja bahan batere nya tetep mesti ditambang dari dalam bumi, dan utk ngecasnya juga bahan penghasil listriknya dari dalam bumi yg menghasilkan carbon.


Tapi mungkin jg moblis akan jadi titik perubahan kesadaran masyarakat. Semakin banyak moblis beredar maka proyek selanjutnya pemerintah jadi terdorong utk mengupayakan penghasil listrik dari energi terbarukan atau dari sumber seperti tenaga matahari, air atau angin.
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Tapi yg gw perhatiin ya. Para pendukung EV EV gituan biasanya golongan non car guy, tapi dari kalangan economi middle up.

Salah satu faktor yg mereka suka tuh quietness. Alias no sound at all..

Tau kan jaman dulu diesel kurang diminatin selain faktor bau asep, juga gegara geter2 & suaranya berisik. Jaman dulu aj fortuner 2kd dibilang kek truck sampah lewat :big_biglaugh:

Pdhl mah jelas2 diesel iritnya juara. Tp drawbacknya itu. Nah skarang ad mobil modelan EV gini ya mereka pada doyan.. Bisa nge-stealth kluar komplek kg ketauan :upss:
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KielConstantine wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:34
Salah satu faktor yg mereka suka tuh quietness. Alias no sound at all..
.... dan ini malah salah satu faktor yang paling gak disukai car guy. wkwkwkkwkw.

ane nyetir nissan kicks juga rasanya aneh ga da suara. senses nya jadi dull. nggak ngerti mobilnya jalan berapa kalo gak liat speedo. ud gitu jelas minim banget mechanical feedback.

jadi nyadar kalo nyetir tuh sebenernya yang kerja ya 5 senses, nggak cuma mata tangan sama kaki.

ya ujungnya mobil cuma sekedar alat transportasi. nyetir mobil electric/hybrid senses nya dimatiin semua. malah digantiin senses artificial (sensor mobil, ADAS, dll)
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