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The most reliable european car for daily under 50 mio (suggestion)

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Dear suhu sekalian, mau minta masukan dong kira2 mobil eropa or anything non jap n korea yg recommended buat daily (mobil perang) under 50 jeti apa aja ya?
lg liat2 sih yg masuk daftar:
- peugeot: 206, 306, 406
- BMW: E36 320i M50 engine
- Chevy: zafira, aveo
- audi: A4 B5
- VW: golf mk4, polo (tapi blom ada yg dibawah 50 yah)

pertimbangannya sih mau matik karena yg sekarang manual, jadi demi perpanjangan umur betis kiri saya yg sering aktivitas di jakarta :big_dunno:

saya udah pengalaman sama BMW jadi kurang lebih tahu trik2nya mobil jerman, tapi lagi mau coba singa yg dari saya baca2 agak lebih rumit ya dibanding piara baling2 biru jadi agak ragu :big_dunno:
pertimbangan lainnya dari segi bengkel spesialis di kota besar dan sparepartnya tentu
saya pilih eropa biar ga terlalu pasaran, n tentunya harga lebih affordable for more feature :big_peace:
oh iya kalo bisa mobil ini juga bisa dibawa road trip, karena hobi juga :big_smile]

Mohon pencerahannya suhu2, kalo ada masukan merek atau model lain saya open juga
maap banyak maunya :big_slap:

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E36 323i dong ah kagok 320i doang :emo-big_love: :emo-big_love:
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Klo sy pre eleminasinya:
* jerman vs euro non jerman....pick jerman..BQ, reliability, prestige, dll...mostly lbh baik.
Plus hrg partsnya cm beda" dikit.

* Hrs Matic.......yg VAG prod coret aja deh..nangis ntar beda jauhlah sm bmw/merc yg repair kit maticnya betebaran di toko parts.
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vote for e36 320i M50 engine

ini mesin terkenal badak..asal kuat ngempanin bensinnya ok bgt buat dipake harian..

atau sekalian aja e36 323i m52..pasti lebih maknyus
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jadi kesimpulan condong ke biem ya suhu2?
Saya pilih yg M50 emang karena badaknya om jar jit no, kalo mau M52 masih deg2an soal isu nikasil itu, walaupun waktu yg saya tanya sih kasusnya sangat jarang malah hampir ga ada
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Under 50 (ini udah termasuk biaya rapih2 or belom?)...
kalo dibeliin E36 apalagi yg 6 cylinder jangan deh, rata2 mobil capek yg harga 40an mah (pengalaman dulu bokap nyari2 unit u dijual di showroom, bushet yg harga segini ancur bener)...Emang sih bisa direstorasi, tapi tetep aja beda feelnya sama mobil yg udh emg kerawat dr awal... :ungg:
Di harga 60an baru dapet yg unit cakep kerawat...

VAG (Audi, VW) coret, apalagi kalo maunya matic. Matic2 VAG era itu ngaco bgt reliabilitynya, audi A4 B5 jg gampang bgt overheat yg 2.6 V6...

Kalo mau yg bener2 oke di budget segitu for daily ane bilang Pug sih. 306 ga terlalu worth-it, modelnya udah ketinggalan bgt. Mending 206 aja masih enak diliatnya, fun to drive gara2 dimensi kecilnya jd gampang masuk2 gang lewat jalan motong, & fc nya irit enak buat harian... Budget segitu masih sisa buat rapih2 lagi :mky_02:

Atau kalo ga masalah sama dimensi gede, bisa lirik volvo 940 (960). 40 jutaan dapet yang mint kinyis2, 30 jutaan dapet yang oke siap jalan dengan pr minor (ga tau knp jeblok bgt mobil 1 ini harganya, padahal ya ga rewel, mungkin karna modelnya kotak2 kali ya). Mobil 1 ini nyaman mampus walaupun jdnya bawanya kaya nyetir boat... Naikannya tenang n stabil... Space kabin lega dan jok springnya nyaman abis, plus reliable juga buat ukuran sedan eropa, nyervisnya ga ribet dan pajaknya murmer... ngga macem2 lah pokoknya :mky_01:
Dulu pernah punya seri diatasnya (S90 3.0L yg short), wah bener2 dah ga pernah macem2 kyk mobil jepang aja, tp naikannya kaya limousine (thanks to nivomat shockbreaker yg bikin jalan jd berasa rata semua)... 940 masih dibawah S90 sih nyamannya, tapi tetep aja nyaman bgt khas sedan guede hehehe...
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e36 om.. tp dg harga under 50 kok ngerinya mobilnya agak ga seger yah.. kudu siapin spare budget (kalo saya) at least 20 jutaan rasanya..
atau w124? tp mungkin dapetnya juga yang tahun tua maybe 89/90/91..
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mau disiksa di jalanan jakarta? volvo 940 GL '95 dengan metik zf bisa jadi pertimbangan.
mesin n/a 2.3 liter, nggak protes kalo diisi selang kuning (kalo tega).
GC cukup tinggi untuk ukuran sedan, nggak kawatir masuk lobang atau melibas polisi tidur.
radius putar boleh diadu dengan sedan seukuran, paling kecil.
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oh pug 206 ya om amfibi, rekomennya yg tahun berapa ya om? :big_think:
Kalo nambah budget buat 307sw worth it ga kira2 ya?
kalo volvo kesannya bokap2 banget jadi ga pede bawanya :big_blushing:
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matic tua hindari VAG,

kalo saya pribadi pilihannya

W124 230E/300E Matic /E220 = dengan harga segitu susah sebenernya dapet yg seger, tp bisa diusahakan, mobil enak, racunnya banyak. tp dapet tahun paling tua

Volvo 960 GLT atau Volvo S90 = udah bisa dapet yg kinyis2 tenaga besar, empuk tp dashnoard bosenin, bensin lumayan dengan tenaga yg oke

Peugeot 406 = dapet yang paling muda, empuk, paling stylish dibanding saran2 saya. tapi hati2 sama transmisi maticnya, meski enak bgt, oli nya cuma bisa oli khusus AL4, pake ATF biasa, bye bye tuh gearbox, selain itu penyakitnya rpm naik turun dimana idle regulator kotor aja. kalo bisa urus regulator ini sendiri sih ambil 406 aja.

atau mau yg tua buat di keep ke depan lumayan bisa ambil W123 atau mau yg penting dapet eropa matic, ambil W202 C200 atau volvo S40

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W124 e230?
Badak over engineered merc.. belom pernah punya tp pengeeen bgt nyoba..

E34 520i?
Klo dapet yg sehat mobil ueeenak tenan ini.. mesin M50 pun badak pula sebenernya.. pernah punya 520i dan 530i

E36 seri berapapun saya pernah punya 318i..

E30 yg rubahan matic hehe.. pernah punya 318i nya jg enak tp sempit

Pug 406 D9?
Pug 405 D9?
Pug 306 lemans?
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Pernah lihat2 mobil harga segitu buat bantu temen pilih sedan, paling suka bentuknya volvo s40 n peugeot 406, ga bgitu kliatan tua/sejadul lainnya. Kurang tau dengan mesinnya/elektrik/transmisinya. Pilihan lainnya paling mercedes c180, masih cukup ok keliatannya apalagi warna maroon.
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Yg kepikiran cuman merc w124 300e ama opel blazer...berdasarkan pengalaman org2 sekitar ane aja sih
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E46er wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:09 oh pug 206 ya om amfibi, rekomennya yg tahun berapa ya om? :big_think:
Kalo nambah budget buat 307sw worth it ga kira2 ya?
kalo volvo kesannya bokap2 banget jadi ga pede bawanya :big_blushing:
206 rekomennya yang CKD om, tapi kalo budget under 50 sih cuma dapet yg CBU (2001-2003), CKD 2003-2007 masih diatas 50 rata2 (ga menutup kemungkinan dapet jg sih under itu, namanya juga eropa tua harganya macem2 wkwk) ...
Soalnya yg CKD lebih empuk dr yg CBU suspensinya (yg cbu stiff abis), terus jg tahunnya mudaan :mky_01:

Nah, kalo nambah budget mau ke brp jt om? Soalnya 307sw kurang recommended sih, pug yg 307/307sw kurang begitu kuat & printilan elektroniknya udh banyak... Walaupun jujur cakep bgt sih tuh 307sw, keren bgt panoramic roof di jamannya :big_childish:
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Vote for E36, tapi kalo bisa yg 323 I, soalnya ga perlu adaptasi karena udah biasa miara BMW kan/ mercy W123/W124 bisa jadi pertimbangan alternatif, populasi masih lumayan banyak & partnya termasuk banyak buat ukuran european sedan jadul menurut saya.
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Saya vote volvo kalau anda tinggalnya di jabodetabek

Volvo 850 mungkin dapat, biarpun volvo jujur senengnya S60 atau Xc90 ,harganya udh lain sih

E34 530i V8 At individual , 30an dpt tuh , partnya e34 lumayan murah kalau onlen, anda pengalaman sama bmw khan? Cocoklah semoga, kalo sudah beli di repiu ya
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amfibi wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 14:58
E46er wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:09 oh pug 206 ya om amfibi, rekomennya yg tahun berapa ya om? :big_think:
Kalo nambah budget buat 307sw worth it ga kira2 ya?
kalo volvo kesannya bokap2 banget jadi ga pede bawanya :big_blushing:
206 rekomennya yang CKD om, tapi kalo budget under 50 sih cuma dapet yg CBU (2001-2003), CKD 2003-2007 masih diatas 50 rata2 (ga menutup kemungkinan dapet jg sih under itu, namanya juga eropa tua harganya macem2 wkwk) ...
Soalnya yg CKD lebih empuk dr yg CBU suspensinya (yg cbu stiff abis), terus jg tahunnya mudaan :mky_01:

Nah, kalo nambah budget mau ke brp jt om? Soalnya 307sw kurang recommended sih, pug yg 307/307sw kurang begitu kuat & printilan elektroniknya udh banyak... Walaupun jujur cakep bgt sih tuh 307sw, keren bgt panoramic roof di jamannya :big_childish:
Jadi kesimpulan 307sw lebih ribet rawatnya dibanding seri "6" ya om (206, 306, 406)?
Padahal seneng bentuknya :big_childish:
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E46er wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 16:20
amfibi wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 14:58
E46er wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:09 oh pug 206 ya om amfibi, rekomennya yg tahun berapa ya om? :big_think:
Kalo nambah budget buat 307sw worth it ga kira2 ya?
kalo volvo kesannya bokap2 banget jadi ga pede bawanya :big_blushing:
206 rekomennya yang CKD om, tapi kalo budget under 50 sih cuma dapet yg CBU (2001-2003), CKD 2003-2007 masih diatas 50 rata2 (ga menutup kemungkinan dapet jg sih under itu, namanya juga eropa tua harganya macem2 wkwk) ...
Soalnya yg CKD lebih empuk dr yg CBU suspensinya (yg cbu stiff abis), terus jg tahunnya mudaan :mky_01:

Nah, kalo nambah budget mau ke brp jt om? Soalnya 307sw kurang recommended sih, pug yg 307/307sw kurang begitu kuat & printilan elektroniknya udh banyak... Walaupun jujur cakep bgt sih tuh 307sw, keren bgt panoramic roof di jamannya :big_childish:
Jadi kesimpulan 307sw lebih ribet rawatnya dibanding seri "6" ya om (206, 306, 406)?
Padahal seneng bentuknya :big_childish:
Yes pug x07 cenderung lebih ribet dikit. Tp yg paling kerasa empuk nya hilang tp handling jg ga lebih baik. Cobain deh naik 406 terus naik 307sw
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ikut vote e36... 1.8 aja uda enak :D
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Peugeot 405 pak. 50 juta sudah rapih. 30 juta beli unit yang kondisinya bagus, 20 juta buat full mechanical & consumable part replacement + labor cost.

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Oh ya saya juga tertarik sama w202 tapi yang cibo.. belom pernah miara mercy.. kan katanya power weight rationya berasa bgt.. apakah betul w202 cibo not recommend.. mendingan c200 nya? Soalnya mengingat saya pernah pake e30 318i dan e36 318i masih baik2 aja bagi saya. Tidak cari kebut2an.. berusaha cari irit dengan kaki sekolah baik2..

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e36 aja om, tapi cari yg metik susah kynya
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cursQ wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:48 Oh ya saya juga tertarik sama w202 tapi yang cibo.. belom pernah miara mercy.. kan katanya power weight rationya berasa bgt.. apakah betul w202 cibo not recommend.. mendingan c200 nya? Soalnya mengingat saya pernah pake e30 318i dan e36 318i masih baik2 aja bagi saya. Tidak cari kebut2an.. berusaha cari irit dengan kaki sekolah baik2..

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vote +1 buat pilih volvo kalo punya duit 50, kenapa:
1. dapet yg kondisinya cukup bagus trus ada kembalian buat dandan
2. karena semua akan jadi bapak bapak pada waktunya :mky_01:
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baru tau saya ada juga european car matic yg under 50 dan biaya perawatan ga terlalu mencekek leher
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