Electric Vehicle in Indonesia: Dream or Reality?

[pnrg]

Temen-temen di SM gimana sih pendapat kalian tentang perkembangan electric vehicle di Indonesia?

Baik dari segi regulasi ataupun hal lain yang perlu dilakukan untuk mempercepat atau memperlambat perkembangan mobil listrik di Indonesia

[patrickstar]

menurut saya bakal berkembang ( untuk motor listrik ya, belum ngomongin mobil ), seperti halnya pertama kali motor matic keluar. kalo ada yg dijual, mungkin saya tertarik dan mungkin saya membeli, tapi versi keduanya ya ( bukan versi yg pertama kali muncul ).

[doge]

[Bwt TS: Knp prlu mikir apa yg bs dilakukan utk memperlambat perkembangan mobil listrik di indo?]

Di satu sisi, itu realita... tau project MOLINA? (Mobil Listrik Nasional)
Itu realita.. mobilnya ada, bisa jalan.. workshopnya di ITS... mereka skrg lg bikin motor listrik... GESITS

Di sisi lain.. msh impian...

Mw beli (indonesia design, mostly local parts, some PRC parts) barang mekatronik (bnyk elektroniknya se) kompleks dg hrg 150+jt? Dg aftersales yg blm ada, RV yg dipertanyakan, no incentive (like US' tesla), dan bukan elips?

range terbatas.. banget

Ngecas lama... banget

Msh bnyk banjir... ngerendem (nerjang banjir) mobil yg pake batre 300+ DC volt? (Yes, batrenya 300+ volt, biar g ush pake kabel segede paralon (berat) dan kabin mobilnya jd sauna(krn arus listrik bikin panas)) Dead battery, possibly people. (DC itu lbh bahaya dr AC... krn klo kesetrum, lbh susah lepas...)

Batre di lantai mobil.. kena kerikil, pothole khas indo? -> Note7 yg 3.7v aja udh seru..

Indo's weather is very humid (sumuk), >65%RH on daily basis, at any given time... (lembab itu g bagus bwt elektrikal... bikin cpt korosi di electrical contacts, apalagi ditambah panas)

Most indonesians (klo ditulis i*d** nti ada yg marah") not good (reckless, careless) with electricals... tw" ada yg cb betulin (potong kabel sanasini, dll), kesetrum 300+ DC volt ya kissbye...

[silentIm2]

Cepat atau lambat sih... tapi selama pemaen maenstream ga melobi ya regulasi ga bakal jalan. Sekarang sih buat brand mainstream mobil hybrid belum volume maker, sebagian besar jualannya cuma untuk memenuhi pasar north america dan europe. Itupun mereka jualan di sana karena dapat subsidi dan insentif.
Nnti saat executive management memutuskan memensiunkan production line mobil conventional, pasti mereka melobi. Jepang kan kreditur terbesar Indonesia. bisa saja pemerintah Jepang ngepush Indonesia ngasih pinjaman tapi memuluskan jualan mobil listrik buatan korporasi mereka .
Tapi entahlah, pernah baca di detik menhub sekarang janji regulasi mobil listrik siap 2017.

[ChZ]

Will always be a dream.... Selama infrastruktur nol... Dan macet dimana - mana.

Infrastruktur nol.. Rumah - rumah mw pakai daya listrik berapa buat charging? Cuma rumah horang sangat kaya yang besar - besar dan daya listrik rumahnya gede. Itupun kalo g ada pemadaman bergilir... Wong pemadaman bergilir aja masih sering.

Macet dimana - mana... jarak tempuh berkurang, dan berapa banyak charging station mau dibuat?

Motor listrik masih make sense, daya yang dipake untuk charging gak sebesar mobil listrik. Kayak di negara - negara maju pada beralih ke scooter listrik untuk transportasi ringan jarak dekat...

Sebetulnya sudah salah kaprah dari lama anggaran negara dipake buat subsidi BBM... andaikan dipake buat benerin fasilitas umum dan public transport... kita g akan suffer di kemacetan parah seperti sekarang ini. Saya selalu bermimpi ketika public transport udah bener... semua orang bakal menghindari pake kendaraan pribadi buat ke sekolah / kampus / kantor krn ga lagi efisien waktu dan uang... Mobil pribadi, well dipake bener - bener untuk keperluan pribadi semisal liburan atau sekedar weekend drive...

[marmut]

di negara absurd seperti ini? hahaha.....

[anrico17]

Still a dream, reality in a generation....

1 poin bodoh oleh govt kita.... Mobil listrik yng dinegara lain dikasi subsidi, disini malah dipajakin (lupa nomor, tp lumayan)....

Infrastructure, PLN kita, let's say not the most reliable public service operator..... Mau ngecas mobil pake wall outlet biasa (220v for us indo), bisa sengah hari baru full casnya, depends on the battery capacity tho.... Tp emang lebih murah dibanding ngisi bensin... Mau pasang charging station public, paling rusak ama orang, dikira pom bensin gratis....

Electric car sebenernya cocok buat macet, stop = gk ngeluarin energi, Well maybe ac dan radio.....

Gimana cara biar Electric car masuk Indo.... Nunggu si triple elips srius marketing prius.... Ato pls BMW masukin i3....

[daftar]

kalau sepeda motor 5 tahun kedepan mungkin sudah lumayan ada beberapa yang pake,
kalo mobil,,, pesimis yahh,, harga mahal dan butuh listrik yang gede untuk charging, belum harga batre yg mahal, cuman golongan2 tertentu yang sanggup

[iwansiagian]

Bagi yang electro engineer mungkin bisa menjelaskan lebih lanjut artikel berikut
http://www.kenrockwell.com/business/electric-cars.htm

Electric cars are a crock. I've been too polite to share, but since a reader asked, there are some huge practical and environmental problems if everyone started doing the wrong thing and driving electric cars. This whole thing is sponsored by companies that stand to make billions if people started buying these things.

Strangely, very little has changed since 1902 when the gasoline versus electric car debate was a lot hotter. Back in 1902, electric cars were much quieter, but had limited range and long charge times. Not much has changed between the two, but the ramifications of what would happen if large numbers of people started driving these things is far more severe than it was in 1902 simply because today, there are more cars in America than there are people. In 1902, there were more yachts than cars.

The big gotcha that most non-electronic engineers don't realize is that electric cars consume huge amounts of electric power. One electric car consumes as much power in typical operation as four homes! Why do you think they need special electrical hook-ups and take forever to charge? You don't just plug them in the wall like an alarm clock. Why do you think the batteries fill up half the trunk? All the power to charge these things has to come from somewhere; it's not like charging the little battery in your digital camera.

Here's the big problem: If we all got electric cars, we'd need four times as many new electric power plants, and four times as many transmission towers to get that power to our homes! Imagine a landscape cluttered with power lines; how else will we get four times as much electric power at home or at work to charge all these things? These aren't just golf carts.

It's ironic that the same people who worry about replacing real bulbs with carcinogenic CFL bulbs loaded with mercury, lead, EMI and EMF just to save five watts are the same ones misled to think that an electric car that charges at 10,000 watts overnight on 440V three-phase power is saving energy.

Each horsepower requires about 745 watts, but only if the car is 100% efficient, which they are not. It will need a lot more power for each horsepower in practice, and most small cars can make a maximum of at least 150 HP today. Wimpy electric cars might make do with just 20 HP maximum, or 10 HP for cruising at 55 MPH, still needing 15,000 watts to make just that!

When you ignore all the free subsidies handed out like cocaine to get people hooked, electric cars need to burn about four times as much to fuel at a power plant compared to burning it directly in your car.

Speaking of free subsidies, for just how long do you expect to find free chargers? Diesel cars are great for fuel economy, but most normal people freak out from driving Diesels because only 50% of filling stations carry Diesel fuel. How could you go anywhere if only one station in 100 had a charger, and then what would you do for 4 hours while you topped-off? You still need a real car for travel.

75% of the heat energy of combustion is wasted converting heat to spinning motion in a power plant, converting that motion to electricity, transmitting it to your home, using it to charge a battery, and converting it back again to motion in your car, all with more heat losses over simply burning the same fuel in your car to make that motion directly.

Yes, power plants burn much lower grades of oil and/or clean, safe nuclear power, but we still would need about four times as much energy at a power plant to get the same "go" in our car as just burning the fuel in our own cars in the first place — and those 500 kV powerline towers are going to have to go in someone's backyard.

Electric cars are just another way to get some people richer, using everyone else's money. Technically, all electric cars do is move pollution from your car back to a power plant, and more of it, too.

When a normal car is junked, the most poisonous thing is its little battery. When an electric car is junked, it's a huge cesspool of lead, lithium, mercury, and a smorgasbord of poisonous heavy metals from its huge batteries, in addition to all the regular items from normal cars. Let's not even consider the expense and environmental considerations involved in manufacturing and transporting all those batteries from China to make an electric car in the first place.

Most folks outside the petroleum business don't even realize how much of our fuels are local. In California they don't even burn middle-east oil: 75% of California's oil is pumped right out of the ground from California's central valley and coast. Middle-east oil is consumed on the East coast, not trucked across the country.

Repressive governments love electric cars, because as soon as power is cut during an uprising, no one can recharge their cars that night until the civil unrest subsides and government chooses to restore power.

This said, many people who own Nissan Leafs wrote to me and tell me how much they LOVE them! I've never tried one. If you want a real electric car, forget the wimpy imported ones and see these guys who know real electric cars.

Of course we haven't even discussed heaters and air conditioners. Air conditioners also use a lot of power, but heating is free with a normal car because the engine gives off so much heat. In an electric car, you have to burn a lot of extra battery power to make heat, and none of it can be regenerated. Why do you see electric cars rolled-out in Southern California? Because we never use out heaters! Forget electric cars for places that get cold enough to need heaters — just as you'd use a golf cart. An electric car needs about as much extra energy to run the heater as it does to run its electric motor. Oh well!



About the author

Kenneth R. Rockwell is an electrical engineer, holding a B. S. E. E. degree, awarded with honors, from the State University of New York at Stony Brook. Mr. Rockwell currently holds two United States patents.

[GunturSon]

Ntar lah... Tunggu negara2 lainnya sudah pindah ke planet lain, baru kita pake ev

[Or4cle]

Engine is created by accounting not engineer ...
It's common practice (in Indonesia) ...

[polarbear]

Electric vehicle's problem in Indonesia:
- Lack of regulator commitment on tax structure (emission, ownership) and infrastructure (charging point)
- Running AC on battery? Come on ... di eropa / north America /japan boleh lah AC hidup dikit2, disini apa nggak kepanasan? Kalo dipaksakan hidup terus, berapa lama itu baterenya akan tahan
- BANJIR ... electric motor under the water??
- Very well establish ATPM will FIGHT against it

[Kaptenslow]

Someday EV will be reality di indonesia. When..? Time will tell om..
VW pernah bilang mereka akan fokus di electric vehicles, setelah mereka terpukul kasus dieselgate..
Kalo betul major brand betul2 fokus, mungkin bisa lebih cepat terwujud. mungkin brand lain juga sambil hitung2an.. bila prospek dan profitabiltynya bagus, mereka jg akan berebutan kue di segment ini.

Tapi untuk di indonesia... mungkin masih lama kebagiannya... paling alasan formalnya menunggu sistem insentif dan peraturan yg lebih mendukung mobil listrik. Tapi mungkin di balik itu alasannya lebih ke menghabiskan stok dan sparepart mobil konvensional lebih dulu.

[Shonen]

mobil listriknya si mimpi dsini tp ada bbrp owner tesla model s yg masuk....harganya selangit dan ass....question mark...harusnya pemerintah kasi subsidi buat menggalakkan solar panel di tiap rumah...bbrp negara uda menggalakkan kebijakan begini buat bbrp rumah dan mereka kasi subsidi balik utk yg mau pasang solar panel di rumahnya....go green boss...