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Dear suhu SM-ers, nubi lg butuh pencerahan nie

Nubi ada rencana mau tuker ipah ke grand new fortie D4d A/T 2012. Krn budget terbatas max 280 jt jd kynya cuma dapet yg non VNT krn pasaran VNT masi diatas 310jt-an (selisih 35jt-an) Yg jd concern nubi utk fortie D4d non-vnt A/T itu performa std nya yg boyo (102hp) pernah bawa pny temen(IMHO) sedangkan budget ga sanggup nebus VNT, nah berbekal referensi racun2 dr suhu2 disini utk upgrade performa D4d kynya ga susah utk naikin perf D4d non-vnt jd minimal sama dgn performa std nya D4d VNT (144 hp). Plan nubi utk naikin performa D4d non-vnt sbnrnya yg ringan2 aja utk fun to drive dan durability sekedar paduan BLT sm Piggyback:
-Ganjel wastegate turbo
-Free flow air filter
-Downpipe
-Cable ground
-Geser2 TPS
-Piggyback / ECU manipulator (Mohon saran pake merk apa yg paling pas buat light tune fortie non-vnt)
-Intercooler
-Tentunya penyehatan spt purging, kuras tangki, ganti oli2, additip solar.

Nah kira2 dgn light tune spt diatas, apakah fortie non-vnt performanya bs setara dgn fortie vnt std? dan apakah masi worthed upgrade tsb dari total DC nya (Alokasi budget 10jt-an) sm result performanya dibanding lsg ambil unit VNT std?

Mohon bimbingan ya suhu2 SM-ers. Matur Suwun
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Wah kalo masalah light tune coba tanya mastah oprek2 d4d om htannis , mungkin dapet racun++ fortie light tune :mky_03:
Oh ya sama satu lagi, jangan lupa upgrade rem untuk fortienya. Soalnya gampang ngeloyor, agak bahaya kalo sudah mantep ama light tunenya (punya saya fortie manualnya gampang ngeloyor lho)


Btw ipahnya bensin apa diesel om TS?


Btw ada kaset rusak lagi :mky_03:
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ane bantuin share trit om htannis aja dimari ya om TS

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=23780&p=861760&hil ... is#p861760


kaset rusak enaknya diapain nih om mod :mky_03:
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ariesto wrote:Dear suhu SM-ers, nubi lg butuh pencerahan nie

Nubi ada rencana mau tuker ipah ke grand new fortie D4d A/T 2012. Krn budget terbatas max 280 jt jd kynya cuma dapet yg non VNT krn pasaran VNT masi diatas 310jt-an (selisih 35jt-an) Yg jd concern nubi utk fortie D4d non-vnt A/T itu performa std nya yg boyo (102hp) pernah bawa pny temen(IMHO) sedangkan budget ga sanggup nebus VNT, nah berbekal referensi racun2 dr suhu2 disini utk upgrade performa D4d kynya ga susah utk naikin perf D4d non-vnt jd minimal sama dgn performa std nya D4d VNT (144 hp). Plan nubi utk naikin performa D4d non-vnt sbnrnya yg ringan2 aja utk fun to drive dan durability sekedar paduan BLT sm Piggyback:
-Ganjel wastegate turbo
-Free flow air filter
-Downpipe
-Cable ground
-Geser2 TPS
-Piggyback / ECU manipulator (Mohon saran pake merk apa yg paling pas buat light tune fortie non-vnt)
-Intercooler
-Tentunya penyehatan spt purging, kuras tangki, ganti oli2, additip solar.

Nah kira2 dgn light tune spt diatas, apakah fortie non-vnt performanya bs setara dgn fortie vnt std? dan apakah masi worthed upgrade tsb dari total DC nya (Alokasi budget 10jt-an) sm result performanya dibanding lsg ambil unit VNT std?

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vote d4d non vnt aja bro.... sangat bisa dan mudah dibikin lebih kenceng dari vnt std.

ipah gw yg modipnya ringan dan tergolong resep jadul aja cuma pke intercooler, dastek + extender+turbomodule, downpipe dan KnN uda kena 175hp - 190hp (retune).... costnya dulu 15-17jtan 5-7thn lalu , dlu dipasang di odo 15rb skrng uda jalan ampir 150rb safe full biosolar rawatan kantor g pernah purging oli TGMO.


resep jaman skrng pke dastek+idrive atau ecushop + ganti turbo ya pasti 250-280 sie bisa, biar mbah racun aja yg komporin.



skrng PRnya tinggal cari unitnya yg seger karna umurnya lebih tua,mestinya g sulit.

dan klw suka air scoopnya VNT tinggal bli aja wkwkw :D g perlu di bolongin bener2

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non vnt aja om gapapa.... suhu2 diatas jg uda bersabda bisa dioprek ga bgt susah kalo kurang tenaganya.

daripada maksain vnt... duit nya bisa buat yang lain :big_smile]
(kecuali omnya berpikir dgn duit yg om keluarin buat tune bisa buat nambah2 in budget beli vnt)
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mang fortuner apa bagusnya seh???? gw heran menang tampang macho doank ???? beli innova aja kalii menang banyak di banding fortuner menang space menang handling :ngacir:

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Re: Need Advise: 2nd Grand New Fortie D4d A/T Light Tune or sekalian Fortie VNT

Post by doge »

Bujug.. komen awal lsg oot :ngacir:

Hmm... personally sih pilih vnt ya.. apalg klo g suka modif...

Tp klo kejepit budget yaa non vnt gpp, toh 2kd modnya ga rumit... biaya jg relatif g tinggi (bnyk resepnya, tinggal cocok yg mana)
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oyah, klw hanya ingin setara VNT std sie 140hpan, piggyback only ecushop cube atw dastek + idrive jg mestinya uda bisa. costnya paling 3.5-7jt

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billyd1773dz wrote:oyah, klw hanya ingin setara VNT std sie 140hpan, piggyback only ecushop cube atw dastek + idrive jg mestinya uda bisa. costnya paling 3.5-7jt

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Siap Om Billy, kynya bakal jd patokan nubi nih. Oiya om yg plug n play ga potong2 kabel pake apa yah?
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Post by keong »

Kayanya belom ada yg se ide ma saya nih...

Kalo saya sih ambil d4d non vnt, oprek mesin plus facelift muka, jadilah d4d non vnt tapi mukanya muda, murah meriah, asal unit yg didapat sehat gak masalah
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Wah bro apa tidak salah tuker ipah nya ke fortuner? Dah banyak kawan yg punya 2 2 nya n lebih suka naik innova nya, sy pun klo nebeng fortuner juga kurang nyaman, naik kan nya juga bikin pusing krn goyang2 terus khas jip

Ya kecuali mau kejer tongkrongan sih, tp berdasar pov bbrp teman wanita dapat ditarik kesimpulan : mobil kakek2
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ariesto wrote:
billyd1773dz wrote:oyah, klw hanya ingin setara VNT std sie 140hpan, piggyback only ecushop cube atw dastek + idrive jg mestinya uda bisa. costnya paling 3.5-7jt

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Siap Om Billy, kynya bakal jd patokan nubi nih. Oiya om yg plug n play ga potong2 kabel pake apa yah?
ada om... dastek uconnect for KD, ecushop monstermax KD, dan powerlab semuanya ada kabelnya bisa tampa potong kabel.


meski sebenernya kupas kabel juga tidak jadi masalah sih om.


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ariesto wrote: Dear suhu SM-ers, nubi lg butuh pencerahan nie

.........................

Plan nubi utk naikin performa D4d non-vnt sbnrnya yg ringan2 aja utk fun to drive dan durability sekedar paduan BLT sm Piggyback:
-Ganjel wastegate turbo
-Free flow air filter
-Downpipe
-Cable ground
-Geser2 TPS
-Piggyback / ECU manipulator (Mohon saran pake merk apa yg paling pas buat light tune fortie non-vnt)
-Intercooler
-Tentunya penyehatan spt purging, kuras tangki, ganti oli2, additip solar.

Nah kira2 dgn light tune spt diatas, apakah fortie non-vnt performanya bs setara dgn fortie vnt std? dan apakah masi worthed upgrade tsb dari total DC nya (Alokasi budget 10jt-an) sm result performanya dibanding lsg ambil unit VNT std?

Mohon bimbingan ya suhu2 SM-ers. Matur Suwun
Halo om ariesto. Dengan upgrade2 ky bgitu keknya bisa dapet 190 HP dan DC nya sekitar Rp. 15 juta an..
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Cerita dikit yahh. Tahun lalu pas ane pasang monstermax di PS bawa ke REV, ada customer jg bawa fortie D-4D standart ting ting,
umur itu fortie udah ada 4 tahunan lebih.

Dy waktu itu pasang:
--> Dastek X4 + Extender module
--> Ganjel wastegate + tutup EGR
--> Downpipe kansai + Air filter KNN replacement
--> Purging2 pake obat BG something.

Total biaya kena Rp 10 juta koma sekian, kg sampe 11 jt. Dapet sekitar 170 HP, dari standartnya 102HP.

Klo mau pasang custom intercooler + piping nya nambah lg skitar 6.5 juta (si D4D kg ada intercooler), nah baru bisa dpt 190 HP something.
cmiiw nih.. si Mod turbo / htannis/ billy lebih paham breakdown price per peformance-upgrade nya.
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Post by elraedrew »

Kalau ada budget tambah sikit mending vnt sih kalau saya.
Lalu vntnya disdastekin hehe 260hp ++ torsi 650++ rata/ segitu.
Non vnt / ipah 2kd tune rata2 skrg 180hp++ 430hp++
Kalau hanya patokan vnt standar ya pasti lewat sama yg ini.
Kalai saya selisih 35juta mending saya kredit tuh. Ambil vnt
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Kenapa ga ipahnya aja di dastekin...tambah turbo ihi sama intercooler dah lebih kenceng dr vnt standar dc paling 20 banding nambah budget buat ganti tongkrongan..kecuali kalo alesannya prestige dkk... :upss:
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wah kalo cuman utk light tune aja si ambil VNT dah

yg non VNT kalo performa mau benar2 enak bisa, tapi spend minimal 20 - 25 jt, krn ganti turbo dgn RHF4 + pasang intercooler + piggyback (Ingat 42ner jauh lebih berat dan Cd lebih tinggi drpd Ipah)

Kalo VNT cukup dgn Piggyback dan front pipe (10 - 11 jt lah)

TRus setel klep dan semi blue printing daerah camshaft, paling abisnya 1 jt - an (tarikan lebih padat & suara mesin lebih alus)

Ground cable yes

Pasang belalalai dr intake air filter box ke balik grill depan, aliran udara lebih lancar, atau bobok air filter box buat bikin 2nd port (tapi jadi bolong AF box-nya)

Performa naik, ingat shock juga upgrade, pake Amada Xtreme dah cukup

Brake pad bagus + minyak rem DOT 4

ariesto wrote:Dear suhu SM-ers, nubi lg butuh pencerahan nie

Nubi ada rencana mau tuker ipah ke grand new fortie D4d A/T 2012. Krn budget terbatas max 280 jt jd kynya cuma dapet yg non VNT krn pasaran VNT masi diatas 310jt-an (selisih 35jt-an) Yg jd concern nubi utk fortie D4d non-vnt A/T itu performa std nya yg boyo (102hp) pernah bawa pny temen(IMHO) sedangkan budget ga sanggup nebus VNT, nah berbekal referensi racun2 dr suhu2 disini utk upgrade performa D4d kynya ga susah utk naikin perf D4d non-vnt jd minimal sama dgn performa std nya D4d VNT (144 hp). Plan nubi utk naikin performa D4d non-vnt sbnrnya yg ringan2 aja utk fun to drive dan durability sekedar paduan BLT sm Piggyback:
-Ganjel wastegate turbo
-Free flow air filter
-Downpipe
-Cable ground
-Geser2 TPS
-Piggyback / ECU manipulator (Mohon saran pake merk apa yg paling pas buat light tune fortie non-vnt)
-Intercooler
-Tentunya penyehatan spt purging, kuras tangki, ganti oli2, additip solar.

Nah kira2 dgn light tune spt diatas, apakah fortie non-vnt performanya bs setara dgn fortie vnt std? dan apakah masi worthed upgrade tsb dari total DC nya (Alokasi budget 10jt-an) sm result performanya dibanding lsg ambil unit VNT std?

Mohon bimbingan ya suhu2 SM-ers. Matur Suwun
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vulvy8858 wrote: btw innova nya diesel apa bensin?

kalok diesel meningan mainin Innova nya IMHO
Ipah nubi bengsin metik om, krn bakal sering ke daerah bojonegara sm merak boros bgt klo pake ipah bengsin metik, upgrade ke fortie biar sekalian gagah aja.

@om Turbo: pgn nya sekalian VNT om, tp apa daya ga sanggup nebus nya. Main purpose hny buat sekedar fun to drive sm durability krn bakal jd mobil akap.
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ariesto wrote:
Ipah nubi bengsin metik om, krn bakal sering ke daerah bojonegara sm merak boros bgt klo pake ipah bengsin metik, upgrade ke fortie biar sekalian gagah aja.

@om Turbo: pgn nya sekalian VNT om, tp apa daya ga sanggup nebus nya. Main purpose hny buat sekedar fun to drive sm durability krn bakal jd mobil akap.
Kalo budget gak cukup mending ambil Ipah Diesel aja om. Ipah interior juga lebih lega, handling en roadholding lebih baik drpd Fortie lama

Modif Ipah ke 170 hp vs Fortuner 200 hp masih lebih perform si Ipah

Kalau mau tinggi, bikin semi ALTO, gak susah, per belakang bisa pake Fortuner yg G (potong dikit), depan pake shock yg mangkok per-nya bisa dinaekkin atau pake ganjal per
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Kalo gue sih pilih ipah d4d dimodif karena bobot lebih ringan 100kgan dari fortuner pasti kerasa bedanya
Tp klo harus milih fortuner vnt dan non vnt ya gue milih vnt,karena kalo ga salah yg vnt putaran bawahnya sudah jauh lebih respon daripada yang non vnt,ga tahu klo mesin 2kd dimodif apa putaran bawahnya bisa nyamain mesin vnt
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Kalo maunya light tuning, enak VNT supaya partnya ga kebanyakan ganti. Unichip + extender + idrive (10jt) dah dapet 250hp keatas. Kalo non vnt, mau dapet angka yang sama lebih banyak part nya (ganti turbo, interkuler, knalpot) bisa 35 juta.

Tapi untuk dapet unit VNT dibanding non-VNT harganya memang selisih banyak, bisa 80 juta. VNT tertua di tahun 2012 aja masih selisih 50 juta.

Atau alternatif lain yang lebih ekonomis, kalau ceritanya yang terutama hanya pingin ngerasain jambakan commonrail diesel pake mobil bongsor, bisa pilih fortuner pre 2012 yang matanya masih gede itu. Toh mesinnya podho ae hehe. Including modifnya, udah pasti selisih lebih dari 100 juta total duitnya dibanding VNT. Memang fortie mata gede ada tambahan ganti socket klo ga salah buat bisa di tune optimal pake pigibek, harganya klo g salah bisa 10 jt ke atas

Atau yang lebih menarik lagi, harga tetep lebih murah ampir 100 juta kayak tadi tapi tetep se simple fortie vnt modip nya, bisa pilih navara atau hilux vnt kalo ga keberatan nyetir D-cab
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Kalau optionnya jatuh di forti yah ambil aja non vnt trus modif sampe sesanggupnya om...ambil forti non vnt yg jalannya ga jauh" banget, sukur kalau dapet under 100k km..

Kalau ada option lain mending ipah d4d at..udh dijelasin diatas, jauh lebih luas, bobot lebih ringan which is lebih mantap nariknya..

Sy ada ipah d4d mt dan forti vnt at...sy tetep milih yg ipah soalnya lebih luas dan yah enteng rasanya biarpun pijit kaki kiri terus kalau macet banget...
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