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Sampai dengan akhir kuartal pertama 2005, pasar MPV kelas atas hanya dihuni

Sampai dengan akhir kuartal pertama 2005, pasar MPV kelas atas hanya dihuni Mtsubishi Grandis, Toyota Kijang Innova 2.7L, Nissan Serena Highway Star dan Honda Odyssey. Ketiganya datang dari pebisnis ATPM.

Sampai dengan bulan Maret 2005, dari ke empat ATPM itu telah terjual sebanyak 1.156 unit. Dari total penjualan ini, andalan Mitsubishi, yaitu Grandis 2.4L menduduki peringkat pertama dengan 319 unit, disusul dengan Nissan Serena Highway Star yang menjual 318 unit.

Urutan ke tiganya ditempati jagoan PT. Honda Prospect Motor, Honda Odyssey yang sejak awal 2005 lalu telah menjual sebanyak 272 unit. Toyota Kijang Innova 2.7L yang diluncurkan Januari 2005, harus puas di urutan ke 4 dengan total penjualan sebanyak 247 unit.

Menurut data Gaikindo yang kami terima, penjualan Grandis 2.4L itu melaju paling kencang. MPV yang dipasarkan dengan harga sekitar Rp. 292 juta itu baru meluncur pada Februari 2005. Saat peluncuran perdananya, PT. Krama Yudha Tiga Berlian Motors menuai angka perdananya sebanyak 137 unit. Pada bulan Maret naik menjadi 182 unit.

Sementara penjualan Nissan Serena tipe Highway Star yang menduduki peringkat kedua, cenderung stabil. Pada awal 2005 penjualannya mencapai 111 unit. Namun, pada Februari anjlog menjadi 82 unit. Tetapi, pada bulan Maret naik cukup significant menjadi 123 unit.

Sedang Honda Odyssey yang tampil lebih aduhai dan meluncur pada awal 2005, mengawali penjualannya dengan sangat gemilang. Pada Januari terjual 186 unit. Namun pada dua bulan berikutnya penjualannya cenderung menurun. Menurut data Gaikindo, penjualan Odyssey pada Februari hanya sekitar 64 unit. Dan bulan Maretnya hanya mencapai 22 unit.

Trend lebih baik diperlihatkan andalah PT. Toyota Astra Motor yang cenderung naik penjualannya. Pada awal 2005 Toyota Kijang Innova 2.7L hanya terjual sekitar 17 unit. Pada Februari meningkat menjadi 82 unit dan Maret menjadi 148 unit.
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Sementara penjualan Nissan Serena tipe Highway Star yang menduduki peringkat kedua, cenderung stabil. Pada awal 2005 penjualannya mencapai 111 unit. Namun, pada Februari anjlog menjadi 82 unit. Tetapi, pada bulan Maret naik cukup significant menjadi 123 unit.
Trend lebih baik diperlihatkan andalah PT. Toyota Astra Motor yang cenderung naik penjualannya. Pada awal 2005 Toyota Kijang Innova 2.7L hanya terjual sekitar 17 unit. Pada Februari meningkat menjadi 82 unit dan Maret menjadi 148 unit.
Waks, bung Szli, bagaimana ini? Innova 2.7L sudah melampaui penjualan Serena, dan trend-nya terus naik sementara Serena sempat anjlok.

Pasar lebih menyukai Innova 2.7L daripada Serena?
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wah ternyata innova mulai menancapkan kuku nya juga di mvp kelas atas
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ato mungkin gara gara iklan nya tuh yang "kebanggaan tak sebatas kata"
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mpoezz wrote:ato mungkin gara gara iklan nya tuh yang "kebanggaan tak sebatas kata"
Stop it, Mr. Mpoezz, you're killing me! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Gud job buat KTB yang sudah bekerja keras dlm memasarkan Grandis-nya, terbukti sukses !

Dan di thread yang gw bikin, penjualan Grandis terus meningkat. Tidak seperti Odysseynya HPM yang terus melorot penjualannya ... kasian bener... bahkan iklannya yang jor2an juga ngga begitu efek. Kecuali dia mau pangkas harganya biar bisa bersaing dengan Grandis yang OTR nya 292 jt !

Serena High Way Star harus bersaing ketat dengan Innova 2.7L, terlihat penjualan Innova 2.7L yang terus meningkat.
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U know why ? Bung Conan ? Thanks to U ! All yr news about that new fangled Serena c25 makes all potential c24 buyers postpone their POs till the c25 arrives !

BUT, tunggu dulu. My c24 belum kalah ama Innova 2.7. Don't forget ada versi c24 standard yang ngak di masukan di data atas. How can the Oto.co.id guys forget about her " poorer sister " ?

Dari Nissan Indonesia magazine (get it from all Nissan dealers, not for sale, its free) here is the complete breakdown of Serena sales (HS+Standard):

Jan 2005 - 223
Feb 2005 - 169
March 2005 - 191

So my c24 still wins ! Even though the Innova 2.7 is growing. Mungkin banyak orang kalau di banding ama saudara yang punya kapal pesiar / helicopter, dia juga mau bilang " saya punya Innova ! "

Kalau saya bilang, those 2.7 buyers are those yang suka ama mesin kencangnya, dan OK dengan borosnya mesin itu dan cuman 6 seater. Kalau gitu, fair saja. Power over capacity. Some people memang terbalik ama priority saya yang suka Shift_Capacity !

But lets see. I have a feeling that that 2.7 tetap tidak bisa kalahkan duet c24 HS+Standard.
So total c24 sales for Jan to March is 583 units, and not 318 as reported for only HS. Thus c24 is still the LEADER !

And this will be even bigger if not for yr c25 news bulletin !

But its OK. When that c25 arrives, she is going to make some pretty waves !

Grandis did very well ! Harga 292 bisa jual segitu ? Even beats Innova 2.7 too ! Thats remarkable for Mitsubishi ! Malah mungkin this Grandis lebih successful banding Kuda yang jauh lebih murah !

Odyssey juga gila ! Harga 428 juta bisa jualan segitu ? Wow, ternyata banyak orang suka bentuk banding space. Well, I have nothing to say ! They voted with their money !

But, so far I have seen 2-3 Grandis on the roads since her launch. And I have NEVER met a single Innova 2.7. Have U guys ? Odyssey ceper sudah banyak lihatnya. Dan of course everyday ketemu teman c24s.

Yang strange sering banget lihat one particular c24 dengan plat number tertentu ! Since like dia adalah the long lost sister of my c24. I can remember her plate number well " B ..." kok lupa lagi ! " Pernah ketemu drivernya saat service. That c24 is driven by a driver untuk antar anak sekolah.

Don't worry. I am convinced that when the Fortuner arrives, those 2.7 buyers are going to kick themselves " What have I done to myself ! " These guys obviously ngak tau tentang SM dan mungkin mereka tidak tau sama sekali sisternya 2.7 akan segera tibah !

Betul, some people may prefer the Innova 2.7 to the Fortuner. But I bet, 9 out of 10 will prefer the Fortuner. Harga dekat, interior mirip, juga 7 penumpang, dan lebih tahan banjir. Lebih ganteng JAUH !

And Fortuner does not have a sister yang harga 160 juta yang akan menurunkan derajat keluarganya !

So here is the ACCURATE Leader board :

Serena c24 - 583
Grandis - 319
Odyssey - 272
Innova 2.7 - 247

That means c24 outsells 2.7 more than 2 is to 1 !

But if U guys think the c24 standard should not be in this race, ya susah ngomong deh !

Tapi kalau bilang c24 beda kelas ama Innova 2.0, dan sekarang c24 standard juga beda class ama these guys, then c24 standard di class apa dong ? Class Kindergarden ? Or drop out ? Or just in her own class tanpa ada saingan ? Beda 30 juta mau di taru di class mana ? Kan ngak mungkin harganya harus persis to be in the same class. Mau cut of di selisih berapa ? 10 juta, 30 juta ? see what I mean ?

Malah Odyssey yang 428 juta itu di taru di class yang sama. Ngawur itu Oto.co.id. Odyssey should be in the same class as the Toyota Previa ! And maybe Alphard 2.4, soalnya dua dua ini harganya for the very rich people !
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Bung Szli, kalau Serena standar dimasukkan bukannya berarti angka2 penjualan innova 2.0V dan 2.5V juga harusnya dimasukkan !? karena setau saya C24 yang standar dimajalah2 dimasukkan rubrik komparasi dengan innova kelas segitu...:-) gimana tanggapan bung Conan !?
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Nah ! Ini dia ! Di forum ini banyak yang tidak setuju c24 di banding ama Innova 2.0. Pertama saya gabungkan mereka.

Tapi setelah sadar harganya beda 60 juta lebih, dan featurenya beda banyak, indeed they are in a different class.

Cuman yang 2.7 boleh jadi satu kelas. Soalnya harga dan feature sudah dekat.

Its a bit difficult to draw the line often. Mau patokan selisih harga atau feature mirip ?

But feeling saya, c24 ama Innova 2.0 beda banget deh ! I mean 60 juta bukan uang kecil untuk banyak orang. Lagian c24 ada 2 airbags, ABS+EBD+BA. Innova G have NONE of these ! Kalau yang V ada ABS. Thats all. Tapi ngomong Innova 2.0 harus patokan G, soalnya itu lah yang dominant salesnya.

Tadi lihat Grandis lagi. Eh, tanpa sadar, kepala saya kok putar sendiri lihat dia, sampai hampir tabrakan ama mobil depan ! That Grandis face benar mirip ikan hiu lagi senyum saat santai jalan ! Few cars can turn my head like that ! Its automatic !
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Oh, kalau mau masuk 2.0 V dan 2.5 V makin susah. Satu, harga memang lebih dekat, on the other hand feature masih lumayan jauh.

V semuanya No airbag. No EBD+BA. Tapi kalau sedikit di maksa mungkin OK. Dan anyone have data on sales of V series ? Feeling saya jauh lebih sedikit banding G.

On this matter, I have no opinion. Susah banget bilang same class or not !
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Aku setuju dengan Mr. Villanova, bahwa kalau kita menghitung Serena standard, Innova V 2.0L dan 2.5L harus dimasukkan, karena harga Serena Comfort Touring yang Rp 230 juta lebih dekat ke para Innova V yang Rp 200-220 juta tersebut, daripada ke Serena HS yang Rp 280 juta.

Tapi kalau dimasukkan, sudah pasti Innova V (2.0L/2.5L/2.7L) yang unggul, karena walaupun kita tidak tahu angka pastinya, tapi sudah pasti Innova V biasa terjual jauh lebih banyak daripada yang 2.7L. Malahan, aku merasa lebih sering bertemu type-V di jalan daripada type-G.

Tapi aneh bukan, bung Szli, bahwa Serena HS terjual lebih banyak (318 unit) daripada yg standard (583-318 = 265 unit)? Biasanya versi flagship tentu terjual lebih sedikit daripada versi standard, contoh Innova V vs G.

Ini membuktikan bahwa Serena memang satu kelas di atas Innova. Pasar sendiri yang membuktikannya. Comfort Touring terjual lebih sedikit daripada HS, berarti pembeli Serena menganggap type Comfort Touring bukan sebagai 'Serena sejati' tapi specced-down Serena.

Dengan dasar2 itu, sebaiknya kita hanya membandingkan Serena HS dengan Innova V 2.7L. Lagipula harganya sangat dekat (Rp 270 vs 280 juta), jadi sangat relevan untuk dibandingkan.
szli wrote:U know why ? Bung Conan ? Thanks to U ! All yr news about that new fangled Serena c25 makes all potential c24 buyers postpone their POs till the c25 arrives !
Baguslah kalau memang begitu, berarti NMI is being punished by the market! For their mistake! :e-naughty:
Dan jika ke depannya penjualan C24 semakin drop, akan mendesak NMI lebih cepat memasukkan C25! :mrgreen:
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Aku setuju dengan Mr. Villanova, bahwa kalau kita menghitung Serena standard, Innova V 2.0L dan 2.5L harus dimasukkan, karena harga Serena Comfort Touring yang Rp 230 juta lebih dekat ke para Innova V yang Rp 200-220 juta tersebut, daripada ke Serena HS yang Rp 280 juta.

Tapi kalau dimasukkan, sudah pasti Innova V (2.0L/2.5L/2.7L) yang unggul, karena walaupun kita tidak tahu angka pastinya, tapi sudah pasti Innova V biasa terjual jauh lebih banyak daripada yang 2.7L. Malahan, aku merasa lebih sering bertemu type-V di jalan daripada type-G.

Tapi aneh bukan, bung Szli, bahwa Serena HS terjual lebih banyak (318 unit) daripada yg standard (583-318 = 265 unit)? Biasanya versi flagship tentu terjual lebih sedikit daripada versi standard, contoh Innova V vs G.

Ini membuktikan bahwa Serena memang satu kelas di atas Innova. Pasar sendiri yang membuktikannya. Comfort Touring terjual lebih sedikit daripada HS, berarti pembeli Serena menganggap type Comfort Touring bukan sebagai 'Serena sejati' tapi specced-down Serena.

Dengan dasar2 itu, sebaiknya kita hanya membandingkan Serena HS dengan Innova V 2.7L. Lagipula harganya sangat dekat (Rp 270 vs 280 juta), jadi sangat relevan untuk dibandingkan.
szli wrote:U know why ? Bung Conan ? Thanks to U ! All yr news about that new fangled Serena c25 makes all potential c24 buyers postpone their POs till the c25 arrives !
Baguslah kalau memang begitu, berarti NMI is being punished by the market! For their mistake! :e-naughty:
Dan jika ke depannya penjualan C24 semakin drop, akan mendesak NMI lebih cepat memasukkan C25! :mrgreen:
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Hal ini juga membuatku berpikir, jika nanti ada AUV 'type V', sebaiknya C25 hanya dijual type HS saja sehingga tidak terjadi bentrok antara flagship AUV vs C25 Comfort Touring.

Dengan melakukan itu Nissan juga menempatkan Serena di atas kelas Innova/AUV, and this is the right thing to do.
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Saya bantuin data resmi penjualan Innova selama tahun 2004 :

- E Standard MT 1,467
- E MT 203
- G MT 11,094
- G AT 1,359
- V MT 4,505
- V AT 1,496
- E Standard MT Diesel 56
- E AT Diesel 67
- G MT Diesel 1,192
- G AT Diesel 185
- V MT Diesel 527
- V AT Diesel 145

- TOTAL 22,296

Data ini merupakan data resmi versi Gaikindo
Innova launching 1 September 2004

Data bulan selanjutnya kalau gak malas carinya akan saya posting entar
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conan wrote:
szli wrote:U know why ? Bung Conan ? Thanks to U ! All yr news about that new fangled Serena c25 makes all potential c24 buyers postpone their POs till the c25 arrives !
Baguslah kalau memang begitu, berarti NMI is being punished by the market! For their mistake! :e-naughty:
Dan jika ke depannya penjualan C24 semakin drop, akan mendesak NMI lebih cepat memasukkan C25! :mrgreen:
Saya pikir justru fans fanatic Nissan seperti andalah yang membikin keadaan bertambah runyam :D
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Pemakai Kijang di sini kan banyak, terus anda menjelek-jelekkan Kijang terus, secara alamiah pemakai Kijang dan mungkin ATPM-nya bila mereka tahu forum ini pasti akan melakukan reaksi balik, mereka mulai korek-korek yang sebelumnya mereka tidak tahu

Jika anda orang NMI (ada kemungkinan kan ? Ini kan forum maya), strategy anda itu kurang tepat, kalau saya mending saya akan diam-diam saja yang penting jualan laku, daripada menjelekkan kompetitor lain, yang pasti akan mendatangkan angin yang kencang, bisa capek kita ngurusin begituan
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Thanks to Mr. Qiuqiu atas datanya, kalau Anda bisa mendapatkan data serupa untuk periode January-March 2005 aku akan mencoba mengolahnya. Maybe I could then come up with some numbers to satisfy our curiosity.
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Qiu Qiu,

U have just opened fire at me directly ! I am just saying the truth ! Abt say kapsul's weaknesses. Itu kamu bilang saya jelek jelekin ?! If I am wrong, proof me wrong !

And U say I could be a NMI man. Kamu tidak baca saya juga criticize Terrano habis habisan. Will I do this if I am a NMI man !

So far people like Mr. Conan have argued with me in a polite, constructive way. One more post like that from U and I have no choice but to withdraw from this forum.

U may so, ya udah, withdraw, we don't need U ! Betul, I am nobody in this forum.

Saya suka banget main di forum ini, even though internet bill saya jadi naik. Tapi dari pada saya naik darah terus di tembak begitu saja. If U are a Kijang owner dan tidak puas dengan kata saya, then attack my car, not Me ! And use facts !

Mr. conan juga pemilik kapsul, and he accepts that kapsul have weaknesses. Demikian saya, Honda saya ada jeleknya saya ngaku kok !

I want to express my strongest protest for yr accusations and language !
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In case there is somebody else who thinks like this guy, let me clarify once and for all :

1. Kenapa I say the things I often say ? Look here. SMers akhirnya beli mobil apa sebenernya ngak affect saya. Why should I care ?

For every Innova sold or Serena sold to each SMer, how much money do I get ? Guess. 1000 rp ? Of course the answer is ZERO. ZILCH ! No, its negative, for I lose money in internet bills !

2. Look at the figures that " beg beg " provided. Doesn't it surprise ? The M/T is so dominant. And the gap between G and V is so high. Saya ngak mau go into speculation why, nanti orang lain misunderstood saya lagi. Look at the numbers and make yr own conclusions.

3. All I am trying to do is, saya discover a really nice car yang enak di pakai, safety featurenya bagus, lengkap, dan enak untuk ajak keluarga jalan jalan.

I just want more SMer to consider and if agree with me, enjoy together this car.

Kalau saya ketemu uang di tanah, ngak mungkin saya mau sharing. Ngapain share with people whom I don't even know ? Just anonymous forum friends ?

But if sharing a good news cost me nothing (or ya, a bit of internet bills), masih OK lah !

Kalau yang merasa mobil ini terlalu mahal, ya wuis, ambil Innova yang very attractively priced. Nothing wrong with that.

BUT, here's a BIG BUT, my recommendation is only, for those who are WILLING and ABLE to pay extra say 60 juta, or 30 juta for V to CT, the c24 is a good candidate. Thats all.

Or the Grandis juga lumayan. Cuman as I pointed out, Mitsu lagi sakit. Ini bukan prejudice or baseless accusation. Its FACT.

Just that for people who HAVE and sebenernya WILLING to pay up to say 250 juta, yet go for the Innova, bukan I bilang A is much better than B, but all I say is " sayang ".

What do I mean by " sayang ". You can afford a car with much more complete safety features, all for extra 60 juta, or from V to comfort Touring for only 30 juta.

If U CAN afford it, why compromise ?

I mean does more complete safety feature mean nothing at all to people who can PAY UP for it ?

Again I am not saying those who buy cars without these do not value lives. They obviously want a car they can afford. But IF, and only IF, you can AFFORD it, why settle for LESS ? Get what I am saying ?

Saya tidak inggin lihat banyak anggota SM yang seperti my father. Sudah tua, umur 71, uang cukup, tapi tetap pakai kapsul yang God forbid, if involved in an accident, chance of my old father surviving that accident is a LOT less than a more well protected car. He can be killed a lot easier !

And he can protect himself better by paying extra of less than 40 to 70 juta !

Wish I can tell him " Pa, U pelitnya kebangetan ! Anda sanggup bayar sedikit extra untuk mobil lebih aman kok ngotot ngak mau ? "

Safety features in cars di Indo memang seperti asuransi. Di abaikan, di cuekin, rasa tidak perlu. BUT when U need it, it is often TOO LATE !

Seperti iklan Mercy yang saya suka banget.

" Nothing makes a driver more faithful to his car, than a car which is faithful to its owner ".

Or I will rephrase " Nothing makes a driver more well protected on the roads, than a car with more complete safety features. "

So, after posting TONs of posts, countless arguments, bitter fights, pikir pikir point saya can be summed up in only a few paragraphs :

" If U can AFFORD it, do not compromise on safety features. A terrible accident that happens can be deadly for cars with minimal protection, and I can't resurrect my dead wife or kids.

And here is a car that have quite complete protection, with good space / versatility, and price still within range of many people's budget. Consider upgrading if U can ".

So, yang sudah ambil Innova, ya no offense. Mungkin anda inggin pakai uangnya for other uses. Thats a DAMN FINE excuse. BUT next time, if U have more extra cash, don't copy my Dad !

If I am rich, I wll buy my father an Alphard or a Serena c24 (or c25). Or an Elgrand. But alas, uang saya sudah ngak banyak, so I hope he will be all right travelling in a car with very minimal protection.

See that crash scene in that Mercedez ad ?
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szli wrote:Qiu Qiu,

U have just opened fire at me directly ! I am just saying the truth ! Abt say kapsul's weaknesses. Itu kamu bilang saya jelek jelekin ?! If I am wrong, proof me wrong !

And U say I could be a NMI man. Kamu tidak baca saya juga criticize Terrano habis habisan. Will I do this if I am a NMI man !

So far people like Mr. Conan have argued with me in a polite, constructive way. One more post like that from U and I have no choice but to withdraw from this forum.

U may so, ya udah, withdraw, we don't need U ! Betul, I am nobody in this forum.

Saya suka banget main di forum ini, even though internet bill saya jadi naik. Tapi dari pada saya naik darah terus di tembak begitu saja. If U are a Kijang owner dan tidak puas dengan kata saya, then attack my car, not Me ! And use facts !

Mr. conan juga pemilik kapsul, and he accepts that kapsul have weaknesses. Demikian saya, Honda saya ada jeleknya saya ngaku kok !

I want to express my strongest protest for yr accusations and language !
Please stay calm! I am still support u!

Kenapa anda harus emosi terhadap pernyataan bung qiu qiu, diforum ini kan kita saling membutuhkan satu sama lainnya! Saya juga senang main di forum ini, dan tentu saja saya juga membayar internet untuk main disini!
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Kenapa ngak naik darah ! NGak ada bukti main bilang saya orang NMI. I am not that cheap ! If I am orang NMI, ngak usah main di sini. Lebih baik rajin di studio design dan nanti create mobil yang lebih hebat !

This guy does not know how to debate like a car analyst ! Look at the other detectives on this forum. Sudah berapa kali saya ama mereka " Cross swords " tapi ngak pernah tuh bikin saya jengkel sampai gini. They are good with words and diplomacy. Thats the difference !

Saya ingat bung Hdrw amat kesal ama saya. Tapi bahasa dia masih seperti diplomat negara, dia ajukan protes dengan bahasa yang masih bisa di telan. So akhirnya saya appreciate.

But thanks bung Pinoh for trying to cool me down. Saya amat hargainya.
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Post by carstensz30 »

One more post like that from U and I have no choice but to withdraw from this forum.
kalo ada yg ngga cocok di hati, ya tinggal direply aja ya but jangan quit lah... justru beda pendapat kayak gini ini yg bikin rame nih forum seraya ini.
btw, meski gue adalah pemilih innova, tapi gue tetap suka baca posting anda yg kadang bashing innova kok :) , karena gue tahu dalam banyak hal anda benar juga kok.
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Amithaba ! Halleluyah ! Alhamdulila ! Bung Carstensz30,

I am very glad anda understand me ! Seperti bung conan yang sekarang bilang my car jadi basi, sudah bukan model yang mutakhir, boxy, but like U, if those are facts, saya harus terima, meskipun pahit !

Toh its just a car. Not my wife or kid being bashed ! Betul gak ?

Nanti kalau Kijang 7 tahun from now safety featurenya OK banget, dan lebih OK dari Serena, jangan bilang apa, gue akan tukar mobil langsung.

Remember, my ultimate loyalty is to my wallet, my money, my families welfare and happines, not any car maker.

Remember, I am always aware that no matter how much I praise any car, no ATPM is going to pay me a single cent ! I just love good designs. I don't care who makes it. Cuman kalau belakangan banyak design dari Nissan bagus, masa saya ganti namanya jadi Nassin supaya ngak kesan fanatik ?
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Yang menjadi pertanyaan saya adalah apakah anda benar-benar menyukai nissan atau menyukai Si carlos Ghosn?
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Post by conan »

Whoa, bung Szli, take it easy. :)
Dan bung Pinoh benar, Anda tidak perlu emosi pada Mr. Qiuqiu. Ia hanya mengutarakan pendapatnya dengan blak2an, setipe dengan Anda, kan?
Anda bisa emosi, begitu pula Mr. Qiuqiu. Mungkin dia seorang Kapsul owner, and you're not exactly Kapsul owners' favorite neighbor, are you. :mrgreen:
Aku sendiri seorang Kapsul owner, but just like you said, I accept my Kapsul's flaws, bahkan aku pernah 'menyerang' Anda ketika Anda pernah mulai 'friendly' pada Astra dan Kapsul di thread AUV, remember? :mrgreen:
Tapi mungkin tidak semua Kapsul owners seperti aku, dan just like you once said, there's nothing wrong with being proud of your car, right? :wink:

Mungkin Mr. Qiuqiu sedikit fed up, kesal oleh pendapat2 Anda, and it's understandable, aku juga pernah kesal pada Anda, begitu juga Mr. Hdrw, I believe.
Contoh, di thread Fortuner aku sempat terlibat argumen 'keras' dengan Mr. Neptunus mengenai parking spaces, dia menyebutku 'mengada-ngada', and you know what, what annoyed me is that it was you who started the whole thing about parking spaces in the first place, did you not. Try debating about the Fortuner's inmanouverability, -compared against a city car-, and -in the SUV section-, you will find it annoying at best. :mrgreen:

Jika Mr. Qiuqiu merasa kesal mungkin karena Anda selalu attack Kapsul, Mr. Hdrw dan aku sering merasa kesal karena betapa selalu 'konsisten'nya Anda. Untuk kasus Mr. Hdrw, aku ingat adalah tentang airbag. Betapa Anda awalnya mengatakan airbag is a must ("Bahkan City pun sudah ada airbag!"), lalu di thread AUV mengatakan airbag itu tidak diperlukan jika bisa menekan harga jual, and I'm wondering what he would make of your 'safety and airbag story' yang panjang lebar di atas! :mrgreen:

Tiap orang memiliki cara berbicara yang berbeda, dan pada postingnya di atas, walaupun 'open fire' pada Anda, at least Mr. Qiuqiu didn't resort to using any harsh words, that means he still have respect for you, right?

Tidak perlu lah, Anda atau Mr. Qiuqiu 'withdraw' dari forum ini. Let's discuss and argue about things some more, expressing what we have in our mind is a healthy thing!
Kita hanya keluar uang untuk akses internet, tapi the owner of this forum, Mr. T0mc4t, bahkan keluar uang just to keep this forum online. Let's not waste the opportunity he provide us to interact with each other! :)

In closing, aku tidak dapat menahan diri untuk bersikap kritis nih (it's my nature!) :
szli wrote:For every Innova sold or Serena sold to each SMer, how much money do I get ? Guess. 1000 rp ? Of course the answer is ZERO. ZILCH ! No, its negative, for I lose money in internet bills !
For the Innova case, it's not entirely true. After all, you do own Astra stocks. :mrgreen:
What do I mean by " sayang ". You can afford a car with much more complete safety features, all for extra 60 juta, or from V to comfort Touring for only 30 juta.

If U CAN afford it, why compromise ?

I mean does more complete safety feature mean nothing at all to people who can PAY UP for it ?

Again I am not saying those who buy cars without these do not value lives. They obviously want a car they can afford. But IF, and only IF, you can AFFORD it, why settle for LESS ? Get what I am saying ?

Saya tidak inggin lihat banyak anggota SM yang seperti my father. Sudah tua, umur 71, uang cukup, tapi tetap pakai kapsul yang God forbid, if involved in an accident, chance of my old father surviving that accident is a LOT less than a more well protected car. He can be killed a lot easier !

And he can protect himself better by paying extra of less than 40 to 70 juta !

Wish I can tell him " Pa, U pelitnya kebangetan ! Anda sanggup bayar sedikit extra untuk mobil lebih aman kok ngotot ngak mau ? "

Safety features in cars di Indo memang seperti asuransi. Di abaikan, di cuekin, rasa tidak perlu. BUT when U need it, it is often TOO LATE !

Seperti iklan Mercy yang saya suka banget.

" Nothing makes a driver more faithful to his car, than a car which is faithful to its owner ".

Or I will rephrase " Nothing makes a driver more well protected on the roads, than a car with more complete safety features. "

So, after posting TONs of posts, countless arguments, bitter fights, pikir pikir point saya can be summed up in only a few paragraphs :

" If U can AFFORD it, do not compromise on safety features. A terrible accident that happens can be deadly for cars with minimal protection, and I can't resurrect my dead wife or kids.

And here is a car that have quite complete protection, with good space / versatility, and price still within range of many people's budget. Consider upgrading if U can ".

So, yang sudah ambil Innova, ya no offense. Mungkin anda inggin pakai uangnya for other uses. Thats a DAMN FINE excuse. BUT next time, if U have more extra cash, don't copy my Dad !

If I am rich, I wll buy my father an Alphard or a Serena c24 (or c25). Or an Elgrand. But alas, uang saya sudah ngak banyak, so I hope he will be all right travelling in a car with very minimal protection.
I will leave this one to Watson.. :mrgreen:

Setelah uraian panjang lebar di atas, bung Szli, tentunya Anda setuju jika misalnya semua AUV dilengkapi airbag, walaupun akibatnya harga tiap variannya sedikit lebih mahal daripada Innova (kecuali type V), karena dalam pertimbangan NMI, nyawa konsumen lebih penting daripada keuntungan semata?
"Biarlah kami, Nissan, dimaki konsumen karena men-charge mereka extra untuk airbag, asalkan kami bisa lebih yakin mereka lebih terlindungi." Hmm?

Btw, jangan lupa kata2 Anda di atas ketika kita kembali berdebat tentang AUV, ya. :)
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So don't get upset anymore!