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@ DOHC, nggak ngerti. selama 4 tahun saya pake renault 18tl yang blok mesinnya almunium juga, andaikata overheat sedikit aja (jarum temperatur setengah lebih sedikit) mesin langsung mati nggak perduli lagi ditengah jalan ataupun pinggir jalan.
saya bukan ahli metalurgi, tapi menurut pemikiran saya, blok mesin dari besi cor (seharusnya) lebih tahan terhadap pemuaian dan penyusutan (naik-turunnya temperatur).
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renault 18 maupun fuego sama sj

sy dulu pakai renaukt fuego 2.0 gtx juga sama n ahir nya electric fan sy ganti dgn ex peugeot 604 (th 85-86 blm ada v.740 apalagi 940 pdhal lumayan tuh electric fan nya u dipakai mobil lain). punya 604 (s.e.v marchal) bisa 17,000 rpm cuma very noisy. jarak 50m dari front gate rumah bunyi sdh terdengar.
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marmut wrote:@ DOHC, nggak ngerti. selama 4 tahun saya pake renault 18tl yang blok mesinnya almunium juga, andaikata overheat sedikit aja (jarum temperatur setengah lebih sedikit) mesin langsung mati nggak perduli lagi ditengah jalan ataupun pinggir jalan.
saya bukan ahli metalurgi, tapi menurut pemikiran saya, blok mesin dari besi cor (seharusnya) lebih tahan terhadap pemuaian dan penyusutan (naik-turunnya temperatur).

dl kasus blok aluminium seinget ane jg terjadi di taruna kan yahh... dmana overheat dikit aj, head lgs melengkung... cmiiw...

tp aneh nya utk mobil2 jepang kluaran brikut nya sperti duo kaleng dan mesin2 nissan terbaru smuanya ud full aluminium... dan uda ga ada issue ttg overheat lg... padahal radiator di mobil2 tsb cuman 1 ply.... beda ama mobil2 jadul yg masi 2 ply radiator padahal enjin blok masi besi cor...


* btw dimarih slain ad pakar sejarah mobil jadul (nunjuk om rubble ama mods enji) ad jg pakar mobil2 eropa jadul nehh ( om marmut)...
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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tehnologi bonding coating u aluminum block sdh maju

utk ini teflon market leader n patent holder nya
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Om nr, jd rata engine block aluminium jaman skrg ud most probably di coating pake teflon smua ?

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newrubble wrote:Sy tdk tau

Yg sy tau ber x x alm ayah sy bilang

dulu mobil (apalagi motor) bukan barang mahal...hanya sj dulu byk org miskin krn beras mahal sejak jaman jepang

Siapa sj bisa jadi importer n pajak masuk hanya lima persen. plus annual

Pemain di sebut besar kalo dia punya production facility... java, udatin, fuchs&rens, imer, isc/velodrome, mass, dan, gading mas

Jadi ini yg namanya ilmu yg terbatas
Nha ini.. yg bold..

ISC/velodrome ini.. velodromenya sama dgn yg di tanjungkarang om?

Berartiiii... ....... ?? :ngacir:.. :ngacir:....
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betul, thermal barrier

ada empat market leaders...teflon, dupont, 3m, dow chemicals

semua datang dgn dormulation method yg beda beda

patent application termahal ada di tgn dow chemical yg punua delapan belas grade (tertinggi u aerospace spec)
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DOHC wrote:dl kasus blok aluminium seinget ane jg terjadi di taruna kan yahh... dmana overheat dikit aj, head lgs melengkung... cmiiw...

tp aneh nya utk mobil2 jepang kluaran brikut nya sperti duo kaleng dan mesin2 nissan terbaru smuanya ud full aluminium... dan uda ga ada issue ttg overheat lg... padahal radiator di mobil2 tsb cuman 1 ply.... beda ama mobil2 jadul yg masi 2 ply radiator padahal enjin blok masi besi cor...


* btw dimarih slain ad pakar sejarah mobil jadul (nunjuk om rubble ama mods enji) ad jg pakar mobil2 eropa jadul nehh ( om marmut)...
taruna saya nggak tau bloknya cast iron atawa cast aluminium. cylinder head nggak mungkin langsung melengkung kalo baru aja overheat, itu pasti jarum temperatur udah mentok lama tapi dicuekin. apalagi kalo baru aja mentok jarumnya trus kita langsung matiin mesin, ngga akan kenapa-kenapa head-nya.
dan perlu diingat, mayoritas mesin mobil jepang cukup handal beradaptasi dengan iklim di indonesia. jadi selama mesin terawat ngga perlu takut overheating.


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DOHC wrote:Om nr, jd rata engine block aluminium jaman skrg ud most probably di coating pake teflon smua ?

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setau saya yang di coating teflon itu dinding piston di bagian skirt-nya. untuk piston o.e.m permukaan yang di coating cuma sepertiganya, kalau yang seperti gambar dijamin aftermarket.
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Selamat sore Rekan2 SMer...

Diantara semua mobil-mobil Ex. KTT atau event2 international di Indonesia.. Mobil apa yang paling HITS..?
maksud nya yang paling nge TOP .. sampe skarang banyak diburu orang karena minim trouble...durability nya jg oke..

VW Caravelle kah ?
Nissan PATROL 4WD..?
Mercedes S-Class...?
Atau masih banyak yang lain...?

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Kalo yang paling pasaran tetep volvo 960 3.0 :mky_03:
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I'll stick on my opinion.. yg plg collectible ya C36 AMG ex APEC 94.. :D
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Kutipan :
http://twitpocket.wordpress.com/2010/11 ... hotradero/

Masih ingat mobil2 ex-KTT dulu? : Mercy 300 SEL, Volvo 960, Nissan President, Nissan Patrol, Nissan Cedric & VW Caravelle.
Untuk hajatan KTT Non Blok didatangkan 1050 mobil mewah. Semuanya lewat Bimantara. Tanpa tender tentunya.
Nissan Cedric ex-KTT itulah yg kemudian seluruhnya dibeli oleh Group Blue Bird lalu dijadikan seri Taksi mewah Silver Bird.
Kita yg jadi panitia tentu nggak kebagian naik mobil mewah. Kita naik Bis yg ada AC-nya. Bis itu yg sekarang jadi Bis AC PPD.

Konon Mercy 300 SEL yg didatangkan utk KTT Non Blok dulu adalah jenis yg tahan peluru. Tp siapa yg pernah benar2 buktikan?
Saat itu panitia yg pangkatnya tinggi dapat fasilitas telepon seluler Motorola Micro TAC. Sistem AMPS operatornya? Komselindo-nya Bimantara.

Karena waktu itu telepon seluler masih baru – panitia jd kelihatan kampungannya: kerja 1 ruangan aja masih sok pakai telepon seluler.
ID Panitia dulu tergolong “kartu sakti”. Tinggal tunjukin – polisi nggak jadi nilang krn nggak berani. Masuk Tol Dalam Kota pun gratis…!
Mercy 300 SEL itu kendaraan Kepala Negara, sementara Nissan President kendaraan Kepala Pemerintahan. Volvo 960 kendaraan menteri.

Karena banyak yg rangkap jabatan (Kepala Negara & Kepala Pemerintahan) – maka banyak Nissan President yg praktis nggak pernah berdinas.
Delegasi pakai pelat nomer khusus warna merah: NAM [cencored] — [cencored] merujuk pd nomer urut delegasi. Semisal NAM 50 utk Laos (paging @DanielTumiwa
MicroTAC sudah dekat ukuran sekarang. Sebelumnya ya hampir segede batu bata. RT @lucyudistira: telepon selulernya segede apa Bang ?

Mobil delegasi selalu dikawal oleh “voor rijder” yg motornya baru didatangkan. Sekarang sepeda motor itu jd motor dinas Polantas.
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Sy yakin w140 300sel yg ktt 92 itu bukan versi anti peluru/s guard. Kliatan banget dr fisiknya hasil liat2 di sebuah rmh di sby barat. Cm sonderklasse lang regular.

Om, motor voorijder apa ya brand tipenya? :D
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Nightster Guy wrote:Sy yakin w140 300sel yg ktt 92 itu bukan versi anti peluru/s guard. Kliatan banget dr fisiknya hasil liat2 di sebuah rmh di sby barat. Cm sonderklasse lang regular.

Om, motor voorijder apa ya brand tipenya? :D
Nahloh.. motor nya saya kurang tau, tapi yg banyak dipake Polantas mungkin Yamaha yah..
yang jelas Paspampres yang mengawal Presiden Jokowi ada yang pake Moge Yamaha FZ1 hitam.. 4 silinder 998cc

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Om rubble mgkin tau motor2 yg didatangkan bambangsari :wkkk: trihatmodjo saat ktt 92?
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Nightster Guy wrote:Om rubble.. konon di jakarta dulu jaman 50an sdh ada seorg importir paralel (non atpm) kusus brand mewah, slh 1nya jaguar. Cucu beliau (inisial pak ZI) skrg an avid sportscar collector jg spesialisasi alfa romeo (currently chairman of AROCI).

Mgkin om rubble punya cerita soal si importir tsb?

Oot bentar ya om f272 hehehe

Ooh jadi alm bapaknya om ZI dulunya IU. Kebetulan sy pernah ke garasinya. Aduh ampun deh koleksi AR nya.

@ om NR : om ZI yg dimaksud itu yg foto2 koleksi garasinya pernah sy kirim ke om. Di salah satu perumahan di cinere. Alm Ayahnya berteman dgn om Joop.
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Nightster Guy wrote:
newrubble wrote:Sy tdk tau

Yg sy tau ber x x alm ayah sy bilang

dulu mobil (apalagi motor) bukan barang mahal...hanya sj dulu byk org miskin krn beras mahal sejak jaman jepang

Siapa sj bisa jadi importer n pajak masuk hanya lima persen. plus annual

Pemain di sebut besar kalo dia punya production facility... java, udatin, fuchs&rens, imer, isc/velodrome, mass, dan, gading mas

Jadi ini yg namanya ilmu yg terbatas
Nha ini.. yg bold..

ISC/velodrome ini.. velodromenya sama dgn yg di tanjungkarang om?

Berartiiii... ....... ?? :ngacir:.. :ngacir:....
Iya om NG.

Hihihi...ikutan ngacir bareng om NG aaahhh....
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(1992) HD police yg datang ke indo punya complex (rejection) order history n itu direct order milwaukee

jatayu pesan, bounched back n nurman cycle ended up same fate

jenderal ini marsekal itu juga. govt request no replied

nah alm yusuf chandra jalan ke sono dgn dading...baru sukses (mrk mampir dulu di apt david chandra di west beverly hills, maklum bapak anak dah tdk ktmu lama n datang datang bawa project ratusan juta rupiah duit dulu n skalian dia tengok cucu...yosef chandra yg setengah bule)

rupa nya itu special spec, tropicalized, bisa minum bensin setinggi apapun sulphur tanpa engine jebol (kata yusuf ya) factory warranty n aftersales maintenance by yusuf chandra @ benhills (bukan beverly hills)
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99KY wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote: ISC/velodrome ini.. velodromenya sama dgn yg di tanjungkarang om?

Berartiiii... ....... ?? :ngacir:.. :ngacir:....
Iya om NG.

Hihihi...ikutan ngacir bareng om NG aaahhh....
ISC itu velodrome di jakarta yg brubah ujud jadi tambah besar krn sebagian japs war compensation di berikan ke grup banteng n biggest portion di pakai u bikin automotive production facility yg (pernah) ketiga terbesar di asia n satu satu nya (saat itu) yg ada crashtest facility

nv velodrome sampai thn 1953 (saat sblm diambil alih tentara n di serahkan ke grup banteng) ada di 14 kota di indo n tiap kota punya local partner yg beda n yg di lampung skrg di jln tengku umar jadi suzuki dealership
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newrubble wrote:(1992) HD police yg datang ke indo punya complex (rejection) order history n itu direct order milwaukee

jatayu pesan, bounched back n nurman cycle ended up same fate

jenderal ini marsekal itu juga. govt request no replied

Nah alm yusuf chandra jalan ke sono dgn dading...baru sukses (mrk mampir dulu di apt david chandra di west beverly hills, maklum bapak anak dah tdk ktmu lama n datang datang bawa project ratusan juta rupiah duit dulu n skalian dia tengok cucu...yosef chandra yg setengah bule)

rupa nya itu special spec, tropicalized, bisa minum bensin setinggi apapun sulphur tanpa engine jebol (kata yusuf ya) factory warranty n aftersales maintenance by yusuf chandra @ benhills (bukan beverly hills)
Nurman's cycle, sy berkali2 ke bike shop tsb di kalibata om. Long before mabua exist. Tugas akhir sy waktu kuliah design interior ya tentang boutique/workshop harley-davidson.. :D ngambil contoh ya di nurman's kalibata.

Om yusuf almarhum, person yg sgt sy respect, yg ngenalin sy (by philosophy n ethics) ke dunia harley dav.

Harley WLC beliau dinamain indonesia banget,'Prabu Baladewa'.. beda ama anak2 harley skrg yg nama motornya inggeris buanget.. wwkwkwkwk...

Oot.. btt btt....
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99KY wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Om rubble.. konon di jakarta dulu jaman 50an sdh ada seorg importir paralel (non atpm) kusus brand mewah, slh 1nya jaguar. Cucu beliau (inisial pak ZI) skrg an avid sportscar collector jg spesialisasi alfa romeo (currently chairman of AROCI).

Mgkin om rubble punya cerita soal si importir tsb?

Oot bentar ya om f272 hehehe

Ooh jadi alm bapaknya om ZI dulunya IU. Kebetulan sy pernah ke garasinya. Aduh ampun deh koleksi AR nya.

@ om NR : om ZI yg dimaksud itu yg foto2 koleksi garasinya pernah sy kirim ke om. Di salah satu perumahan di cinere. Alm Ayahnya berteman dgn om Joop.
Cmiiw selain alfa romeo(s) beliau jg miara fairlady 240z? Msh ada?
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betul

nurman's cycle
nurman yunarto (toto)

anak nya djerman hamid (ex pt multi episode case 1984)
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Kl jatayu, project mercusuar/idealisnya om robby djohan ya om?

Imho om robby visinya terlalu maju bbrp taun pd saat itu. Kl skrg dicetuskan pasti idup langgeng itu jatayu.
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Nightster Guy wrote:
99KY wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Om rubble.. konon di jakarta dulu jaman 50an sdh ada seorg importir paralel (non atpm) kusus brand mewah, slh 1nya jaguar. Cucu beliau (inisial pak ZI) skrg an avid sportscar collector jg spesialisasi alfa romeo (currently chairman of AROCI).

Mgkin om rubble punya cerita soal si importir tsb?

Oot bentar ya om f272 hehehe

Ooh jadi alm bapaknya om ZI dulunya IU. Kebetulan sy pernah ke garasinya. Aduh ampun deh koleksi AR nya.

@ om NR : om ZI yg dimaksud itu yg foto2 koleksi garasinya pernah sy kirim ke om. Di salah satu perumahan di cinere. Alm Ayahnya berteman dgn om Joop.
Cmiiw selain alfa romeo(s) beliau jg miara fairlady 240z? Msh ada?
Gak ada 240z om. Kalo yg om maksud 240z merah b240z. Yg sy tau itu milik sahabatnya. Om Heru.

Pas sy kesana adanya warisan jag xk50 alm bapaknya yg dari baru. Jag e type cabrio yg dia sayang bgt. Jag lainnya. FIATs. Alfa Romeos, yg salah satunya pernah diceritajn om NR bahwa unit tsb hasil bongkaran salah satu rumah di menteng yg ditinggal mati pemiliknya .

Ada 1 celica ta 22 dan 2 bmw 2002 itupun milik temannya yg sedang tuning disitu utk keperluan balap retro.