Transmisi c200 CGI

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Transmisi c200 CGI

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ane mohon pencerahan nih.. buat nambah2 ilmu..hehehe..

ane bingung, kenapa ya kok transmisi c200 ini lemot, perpindahan gigi lambat, klo lgi cruising trus injek gas dalem2, nunggu gigi turun agak lama trus baru BOOM!! turbo'nya nendang..

klo dibandingkan mobil jepang ky contohnya accord, perpindahan gigi cepet, waktu kita butuh tenaga, injek gas dalem, dia langsung turun gigi dgn sigap.. begitu jg dgn vios, civic, dll.. kenapa yaa?? masak transmisi honda atau toyota bisa lbh bagus dr merc?? apa karena c200 ini pakai torque converter? apa karena tenaga merc lbh gede? atau karena ingin ngejar perpindahan gigi yg halus??

mohon pencerahan agan2.. thx!
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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Yah karena turbo lag tsb jadi ada jeda sampai turbonya spool. Klo kayak vios, civic, accord kan N/A yah otomatis tdk ada turbo lag.
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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masak karena turbo lag om? yg ane maksud perpindahan gigi lo, bukan spool up turbo.

lgian maksud ane lemot transmisi tu bkn waktu downshift aja, begitu juga pd waktu upshift, waktu ane manual dia ga mau upshift dgn cepet, agak lama..

lgian hubungan turbo lag ama transmisi apa om?
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Well turbo kan bekerja hanya di rpm tertentu saja, misal di 2500 rpm. Misalnya lagi di gigi 4 1000 rpm, otomatis bila di gas dalam2, akan downshift ke 3 dgn rpm agak tinggi lalu harus nunggu bbrp saat lagi agar turbo spool di 2500 rpm ke atas, baru nendang akselerasinya.
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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kalo sama2 C200, lebih enak yg masih Kompressor atau yg CGI? :e-think:
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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pernah baca postingan um turboman, di diesel turbo bisa dibikin agar bekerja di rpm lebih rendah
kalo di mercy jg bisa, mungkin bisa mengurangi turbo lag
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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yaahh.. yg ane maksud tu pindah ke gigi 3 agak lama om, perpindahan giginya, bukan masalah spool up turboo ooommm.. kan uda ane jelasin td.. begitu pula waktu upshift.. zzz.. -.-"


lbh enak yg cgi om hansen.. hehehe..
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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oh ya sebagai tambahan, c230 mata kacang jg gitu.. perpindahan gigi lemot.. baik upshift maupun downshift..
padahal c230 ngga punya turbo.. mesin c230 kan 2500 V6..
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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Oh maksudnya perpindahan giginya lemot? Ane punya W220 juga lemot kok naik turun giginya, apa emang karakteristik mercy seperti itu ya? Sekitar setahun lalu saya bawa ke Win's di Jakarta Barat utk remap ECU dan alhasil sekarang udah ga lemot lagi dan akselerasi meningkat jauh. Ane rasa transmisi yg lemot itu untuk memberikan efek perpindahan gigi yg halus dan tidak terasa.

Maap om ane miskom, ane kira turbo lagnya C200 CGI besar seperti 335i, maklum ane nda pernah naik.
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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Hansen wrote:kalo sama2 C200, lebih enak yg masih Kompressor atau yg CGI? :e-think:
Setau ane klo kompresor itu supercharger dan CGI itu forced induction. Peak powernya lebih gede yg CGI, klo akselerasinya ane kurang paham deh om, belum pernah pakai soalnya :mky_01:
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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hehehe..no prob om.. wah, mungkin bener jg tuh gara2 settingan ECU, thx masukkannya om!! iya, mungkin merc ngejar kehalusan gearchange yaa.. ternyata bukan c200 aja ya yg lemot.. :mky_06:
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AD74YA wrote:Tumben ini fans Bimmers belum komen...
Kan pemakai mercy bukan ricerboy om, ngapain dikasih transmisi yg sigap :big_weee:
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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harusnya sih CGI udah variable nozzle turbonya jadi lag nya minimum.
seinget saya sih mulai di mesin generasi baru, terutama di v6 seperti M112 atau M272 pake 5 g tronic atau 7g tronic emang ada pengaturan/pembatasan torsi mesin saat gigi pindah supaya parts awet dan ngga terasa nyentak. akhirnya emang kerasa rada "bego" karena ada jeda waktu..(trotel nutup, timing geser, supaya torsi mesin ga terlalu tinggi)..tapi ya kalau ga dibejek perpindahannya lembut..speedometer naiknya linear walaupun gigi berganti ganti (naik).
intinya sih bahwa ECU transmisi ngobrol sama ECU mesin untuk mengatur karakter shiftingnya transmisi.

karena sifatnya software (ada yang preset dan ada yang adaptasi), makanya jaman sekarang ada banyak mode (sport, comfort) di transmisi karena emang seperti ngerubah setting komputer aja, cuma klik software.
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iwang wrote:harusnya sih CGI udah variable nozzle turbonya jadi lag nya minimum.
seinget saya sih mulai di mesin generasi baru, terutama di v6 seperti M112 atau M272 pake 5 g tronic atau 7g tronic emang ada pengaturan/pembatasan torsi mesin saat gigi pindah supaya parts awet dan ngga terasa nyentak. akhirnya emang kerasa rada "bego" karena ada jeda waktu..(trotel nutup, timing geser, supaya torsi mesin ga terlalu tinggi)..tapi ya kalau ga dibejek perpindahannya lembut..speedometer naiknya linear walaupun gigi berganti ganti (naik).
intinya sih bahwa ECU transmisi ngobrol sama ECU mesin untuk mengatur karakter shiftingnya transmisi.

karena sifatnya software (ada yang preset dan ada yang adaptasi), makanya jaman sekarang ada banyak mode (sport, comfort) di transmisi karena emang seperti ngerubah setting komputer aja, cuma klik software.
:frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbleft: infonya om
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Re: Transmisi c200 CGI

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thx infonya om.. sangat membantu.. :frm_tumbleft: