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VanzMatic wrote:
ZombiEE wrote:Permisi sepuh skalian....nubie numpang nanya, karena pernah baca artikel, katanya mesin dgn kelep DOHC kerugian mekanisme paling kecil dan efisien ya?
kalo begitu apa pertimbangan desainer mesin memakai sistim OHV(kebykan) di peruntukan heavy duty?cmiiw
Suhu Cloud sudah menjawab, om:
Cloud wrote:Banyak juga mesin2 modern pake pushrod ato ohv, umumnya buat mesin2 cc besar yang memiliki rpm lebih rendah, karena pake pushrod justru lebih menguntungkan dibanding pake ohc/dohc. konstruksi mesin dapat lebih kompak, kerugian mekanis lebih kecil.
buat mesin cc kecil dengan putaran tinggi malah merugikan, rpm yang tinggi akan mengakibatkan kerugian inersia yang cukup besar pada valvetrain, mengakibatkan rpm lambat naik, getaran yang tinggi, dan kurang efisien.
Thank you for the info....:)
Btw, kenapa yah dr segi tenaga, umumnya mesin dgn cc sama akan lbh kuat dohc?

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masa seh lbh besar tenaga (hp khan maksud oom jem??) DOHC??
rasa nya perbedaan ga terlalu signifikan oom :e-think: :e-think:
bahkan seinget sy jazz yg sohc hp nya lbh besar dr pada saingan nya yg dohc.......................
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Nah...kalo ane liat...yang betul2 high performance, di sektor mobil penumpang....malah rata2 DOHC lo ya....HEMI jgn dimasukin...mesin amrik mah kaga heran,,,,gas guzzler mah...‎​​メίίメίίメίί‎​​メίίメίίメίί
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contoh nya yg gmana oom jem?? n di kelas berapa cc nih? :e-think:
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Kalo jazz lain oom..soal nya design nya hrs memperkirakan space constraint..cmiiw..
Contoh ya..hhmmm....cierpi 2000cc SOHC mesin seri R....dibandingkan mr20de de...secara kasar nya begitu....klo saya tidak salah...besaran tenaga atau torsi mr20de sedikit..mgkn tidak signifikan....cmiiw loh ya....
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sejak hadirnya tekno katup variabel..ouput mesin2 kian membaik, bahkan gak heran kalo output mesin sohc jg bs menandingi mesin dohc. tapi saya sepakat dng pendapat jemblie bahwa mbl performa tinggi pada umumnya dohc...dan kebanyakan dohc wide angle
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Nah....alasan dibalik nya itu kenapa?kenapa mobil performa tinggi umum nya bermesin konfigurasi DOHC?nah lo...
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mungkin dibawah ini bs jadi jawabannya :
POS VETT wrote:Perbedaan antara 1 cam (OHV dan SOHC) atau 2 cam (DOHC) cuma masalah timing. Kalau 1 cam, perbedaan timing antara intake dan exhaust susah disetelnya (contohnya - mesti ganti cam). Dgn 2 cam, masing2 cam bisa disetel maju mundurnya.

Satu lagi keuntungan 2 cam adalah pemakaian klep yg lebih banyak. Kenapa pake klep lebih banyak ? Karena nafasnya lebih gampang. Dibandingkan dgn 2 klep, mesin dgn 1 klep bukaannya mesti jauh lebih gede (bisa 4x), padahal yg pake 2 klep, ukuran klepnya jauh lebih kecil
tambahn dr literatur yg saya ketahui :
1. posisi busi bs ditempatkan ditengah2 piston, sehingga ruang bakar bs dibuat se-ideal mungkin
2. bisa dibuat cyl head dng sudut valve yang lebar (wide angle), keunggulan wide angle adalah saluran in dan ex bs lbh landai, sehingga aliran lbh lancar
3. tidak perlu menggunakan rocker arm

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Ane juga lagi belajar oom...sambil ngerok santan kelapa tua:):)...namanya aja nubie:D

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siarpi itu sohc yah?? bukan nya dohc? :e-think:
eh....... kode mesin nya k20a bukan? :ungg: :ungg:
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doq wrote:siarpi itu sohc yah?? bukan nya dohc? :e-think:
eh....... kode mesin nya k20a bukan? :ungg: :ungg:
kalo yg 2.4L mesinnya K24A itu DOHC,
kalo yg 2.0L mesinnya R20A yg konon merupakan versi bore-up dari mesin R18A Civic 1.8L merupakan SOHC
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Hansen wrote:
doq wrote:siarpi itu sohc yah?? bukan nya dohc? :e-think:
eh....... kode mesin nya k20a bukan? :ungg: :ungg:
kalo yg 2.4L mesinnya K24A itu DOHC,
kalo yg 2.0L mesinnya R20A yg konon merupakan versi bore-up dari mesin R18A Civic 1.8L merupakan SOHC
kalau crv yang present model.. 2000 cc-nya R20A oom.. nah, kalau crv yang model sebelumnya (2nd generation seinget saya) nahh itu baru 2000cc-nya k20A

@hansen: iya mungkin saja sen, nama kode mesinnya aja sama :D
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honda R20A

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untuk k20A, sepengetahuan saya outputnya bermacam-macam, karena k20A ini juga digunakan di civic typeR, honda stream, dan juga civic present model yang 2000cc..

honda k20A

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jadi bagusan seri K atau R nes? :e-think:
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Hansen wrote:jadi bagusan seri K atau R nes? :e-think:
kalo kata si akang tentu bagusan seri K... K3-VE :wkkk: :wkkk:
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Hansen wrote:jadi bagusan seri K atau R nes? :e-think:
hmm.. sepertinya seri R untuk menggantikan mesin honda seri lama yang masih menggunakan Sohc.. dan begitupun seri K, untuk yang DOHC..

tetangga gw ada yang pakai crv gen2, yang 2000 cc (k20A) seinget gw umur mobilnya udah ada 8 tahunan.. nah, hingga sekarang menurut pemiliknya belum ada masalah berarti untuk mesinnya. kalaupun ada penggantian parts, itu juga karena usia pakai. kalau menurut gw, both K and R series sama2 oke
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jalu wrote:
Hansen wrote:jadi bagusan seri K atau R nes? :e-think:
kalo kata si akang tentu bagusan seri K... K3-VE :wkkk: :wkkk:
suzuki k10 juga keren bang.. :wkkk:
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K series nya honda salah satu terbaik utk mesin 4 silinder...stdk nya ga se-faulty design qr25de first gen...cmiiw
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ZombiEE wrote:Ada juga sih ooom pos vett...cmiiw..jazz i-dsi karakternya torsi puncak didpt di rpm rendah...cmiiw dan itu SOHC(design SOHC dipilih krn ingin hemat tempat, ini yg ane baca dr reviewer luar) tah betul atau salah.....
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POS VETT wrote:
ZombiEE wrote:Ada juga sih ooom pos vett...cmiiw..jazz i-dsi karakternya torsi puncak didpt di rpm rendah...cmiiw dan itu SOHC(design SOHC dipilih krn ingin hemat tempat, ini yg ane baca dr reviewer luar) tah betul atau salah.....
Cam profile-nya sama atau beda atau gak tau ?
Sorry nih bang....saya tidak ngerti maksud cam profile nya apa disini....kalo konfigurasi rasanya sudah saya sebut, SOHC, nah kalo derajat bukaan katup ane gelap.....kaga tau brp derajat.....
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jalu wrote:
Hansen wrote:jadi bagusan seri K atau R nes? :e-think:
kalo kata si akang tentu bagusan seri K... K3-VE :wkkk: :wkkk:
bukannya punya ak4ng tuh masih K3-DE...? :ungg: :ungg:
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lha...denger2 sih keduanya milik tetangganya... :ungg: :mrgreen:
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jalu wrote:lha...denger2 sih keduanya milik tetangganya... :ungg: :mrgreen:
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