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@VM : maksudnya gak bisa klik gambar gimana ? di laptop saya gambarnya tampil kok :e-think:

btw yg saya posting itu gambar diagram mesin Chrysler HEMI...OHV tapi dng posisi valve miring karena menyesuaikan dng bentuk ruang bakar model kubah (HEMI-spherical) :D

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mungkin gambar ini juga bisa membantu

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taken from: http://www.curbsideclassic.com/automoti ... rangement/
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nahh...gambar diatas itu yg saya posting sebelumnya & gak bs diliat sm VM :D

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banyak pakar di SM.... salute.. :frm_salut: :frm_salut: :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
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salut ama pakar yg posting di bawah ane ini... :frm_salut: :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
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Hansen wrote:salut ama pakar yg posting di bawah ane ini... :frm_salut: :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
masa ane pakar sih, perasaan kemaren ngikut nanya deh :ungg:
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scorpio wrote:
Hansen wrote:salut ama pakar yg posting di bawah ane ini... :frm_salut: :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
masa ane pakar sih, perasaan kemaren ngikut nanya deh :ungg:
biasanya pakar kalo mau ngetes muridnya sih dengan cara pura2 ngikut nanya deh :ungg: :ngacir:
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kalo gitu saya juga pura2 ngikut OOT deh............ :upss: :ngacir: :ngacir:
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design engine yg ini juga unik...OHV tapi dual cam....

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kok namanya bukan DOHV...................... :upss:
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Kalo di garasi gw, mesin DOHC/OHC powernya lebih kecil, kalo OHV powernya gede2.

Contohnya -

OHV: 505-hp LS7 di Corvette, 400-hp LS6 di Cadillac CTS-V, 285-hp di Silverado.
DOHC: 260-hp LNF di Solstice GXP, 240-hp S52 di BMW M3









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beda daerah emank beda persepsi mengenai besar/kecil nya HP yah :upss: :upss:
di sini sih punya mobil dg hp 200 aja udh dibilang cukup besar tuh :ungg:
mungkin yg bener liat nya dr perbandingan HP/liter kali ya :e-think: :e-think:
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jalu wrote:nahh...gambar diatas itu yg saya posting sebelumnya & gak bs diliat sm VM :D

tp kok di browser saya bisa ya :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yaa memang waktu post link itu, ngga bisa di klik.

Nah, gimana k4ng..? Sudah jelas?

Coba ak4ng cari literatur lagi, ada pertanyaan menarik:
1. Mengapa sekarang jarang digunakan sistem OHV (dgn sistem pushrod)? Apa kelemahannya, kok sampai jarang yang makai, kecuali karena memakai kubah berdesain HEMI Spherical?
2. Kenapa ada DOHC Banci dan DOHC Asli? DOHC banci itu istilah di kalangan anak klub, kepada sebuah mesin yang memang benar2 memakai dua noken as, TAPI gir penggerak dOHC itu hanya SATU. Sedangkan DOHC asli, gir penggerak nokken as dobel nya ada dua juga.

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AFAIK:
Kalo mesin2 Diesel Heavy Duty rata2 OHV, walau udah 4 valve / Cyl, Injeksi EUI / Common Rail.

Buat ngejar Torsi kingkong @ RPM rendah.

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scorpio wrote: OHV itu = yg pushrod itu ya?

lantas kenapa bisa dikasi nama Over Head Valve yah??
Kalo gak salah ini istilah bawaan dr masa lalu, krn sebelum OHV, mesin Pushrod dulu katup-nya di samping (Side valve)

Baru kemudian lahir sistem dgn katup di atas, walau masih sama2 dgn PushRod.

Btw
Disain PushRod ini kayaknya unggul utk Torsi @ RPM rendah, maka itu sampe skg mesin2 Heavy Duty baik Diesel / CNG tetap sistem Pushrod walau udah 4 Valve / Cyl

Utk Dragrace kelas Top Fuel kalo gak salah yg dipake juga mesin2 OHV.

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Banyak juga mesin2 modern pake pushrod ato ohv, umumnya buat mesin2 cc besar yang memiliki rpm lebih rendah, karena pake pushrod justru lebih menguntungkan dibanding pake ohc/dohc. konstruksi mesin dapat lebih kompak, kerugian mekanis lebih kecil.
buat mesin cc kecil dengan putaran tinggi malah merugikan, rpm yang tinggi akan mengakibatkan kerugian inersia yang cukup besar pada valvetrain, mengakibatkan rpm lambat naik, getaran yang tinggi, dan kurang efisien.
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OHV artinya overhead valve,
kok sohc dan dohc gak disebut ohv, kan berdasarkan terjemahan termasuk overhead valve juga?


jawabannya, overhead valve (OHV) yaitu hanya katup yang ada di atas piston/di kepala silinder. mekanisme camshaft TIDAK BERADA DI KEPALA SILINDER/DIATAS PISTON.

begitu pula OHC, (overhead camshaft), terbagi menjadi 2, yaitu SOHC dan DOHC, semua katup di atas silinder, namun yang jadi poin disini, CAMSHAFT JUGA BERADA DI ATAS PISTON / KEPALA SILINDER. sehingga disebut ohc.

mekanisme, bisa berbeda2, masing2 sistem bisa pake follower roller, bisa aplikasi HLA ato shim adjuster, ato pake baut setelan biasa. rata2 dohc memakai shim ato hla, sohc dan ohv memakai baut setelan ato hla.

roller follower bisa dipake di semua tipe.
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VanzMatic wrote:
jalu wrote:nahh...gambar diatas itu yg saya posting sebelumnya & gak bs diliat sm VM :D

tp kok di browser saya bisa ya :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yaa memang waktu post link itu, ngga bisa di klik.

Nah, gimana k4ng..? Sudah jelas?

Coba ak4ng cari literatur lagi, ada pertanyaan menarik:
1. Mengapa sekarang jarang digunakan sistem OHV (dgn sistem pushrod)? Apa kelemahannya, kok sampai jarang yang makai, kecuali karena memakai kubah berdesain HEMI Spherical?
2. Kenapa ada DOHC Banci dan DOHC Asli? DOHC banci itu istilah di kalangan anak klub, kepada sebuah mesin yang memang benar2 memakai dua noken as, TAPI gir penggerak dOHC itu hanya SATU. Sedangkan DOHC asli, gir penggerak nokken as dobel nya ada dua juga.

Pe Er dikumpulkan hari Sabtu ya..
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Kalo DOHC banci dan asli itu apa gan? Kalo twincam itu apa?
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gmx wrote:
Kalo DOHC banci dan asli itu apa gan? Kalo twincam itu apa?
Maaf ya boss, berhubunga gambar agak sulit di link, jadi ana jadikan attachment aja ya,

Yang Asli saya kode "A"
Yang 'banci' saya kode "B"

Mohon maaf sebelumnya bila ada kesalahan pemahaman.
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Wah terima kasih om gambarnya.. Kalo twincam gimana om?
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Mangkanya pake OHV; jadi gak ada sebutan banci atau asli. Kalo OHV asli semua ... :mrgreen:

I love my OHVs :)

Atau bisa disebut juga SUHC (Single Under Head Camshaft) :wkkk:
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apakah teknologi ohv dan ohc sudah bs dikatakan teknologi yg akan abadi ? (tetap eksis untuk seterusnya) ataukah sebenernya sudah ada teknologi mekanisme valve mdl baru yg bs jadi penggantinya untuk mesin mass product ?

Ditunggu info nya ?
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selain dr perbedaan mekanisme dan parts yg ada pada mesin2 OHV, SOHC dan DOHC, mungkin master2 bisa tolong di jelaskan jg perbedaan karakter tenaga yg di hasilkan oleh masing2 type?? karena setau saya utk mesin SOHC umum nya bagus dalam menghasilkan tenaga di putaran bawah, DOHC di putaran atas, dan OHV dengan torsi yg besar di putaran bawah............. penjelasan teknis nya gimana? :thanks:
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gmx wrote:Wah terima kasih om gambarnya.. Kalo twincam gimana om?
Sepengetahuan ane, DOHC itu pasti Twincam, tapi twincam belum tentu DOHC.
Jadi, istilah DOHC 'banci' itulah nama teknisnya adalah Twincam, dimana dua noken as nya yang untuk in dan ex diatur oleh 1 cam gear
Sedangkan DOHC murni, diatur oleh 2 camgear...
Mohon perhatikan kembali gambar yang saya post...

Demikian, mohon masukan dari agan2 semua.. Maaf agak lama bales, masih ngerjain kerjaan kantor juga... *waks!*
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doq wrote:selain dr perbedaan mekanisme dan parts yg ada pada mesin2 OHV, SOHC dan DOHC, mungkin master2 bisa tolong di jelaskan jg perbedaan karakter tenaga yg di hasilkan oleh masing2 type?? karena setau saya utk mesin SOHC umum nya bagus dalam menghasilkan tenaga di putaran bawah, DOHC di putaran atas, dan OHV dengan torsi yg besar di putaran bawah............. penjelasan teknis nya gimana? :thanks:
Saya bukan master, tapi pernah belajar hal ini waktu SMP-awal SMA.

Yang ane tau, SOHC memang bagus untuk mengail tenaga di putaran bawah. Efeknya, bensin uiriit, tapi kalo udah buat RPM atas, jadi vibrator deh! :big_slap: Contohnya di motor. Untk motor bebek non bebek sport, penggunaan SOHC sangat penting, karena dengan ngegas sedikit, sudah dapet tenaga, hasilnya BBM bisa irit, apalagi rpm motor umumnya bermain ideal di rpm 4000-5000. Beda sama bebek super si Suzi, pakai DOHC, karena fokus untuk putaran tinggi / balap (5500 - 8000 rpm untuk pemakaian rata2).

Kalau OHV, memang benar untuk 'ngangkat' torsi. Di motor2 HD, masih setia pakai OHV, karena karakter mesin motor itu RPM nya 2x lebih tinggi dan beban mesinnya juga 2x lebih berat dari mobil. Apalagi motor HD termasuk 'big stuff', makanya banyak pakai OHV di mesinnya. Di RPM bawah, dia udah ngacir ngangkat beban motor sama rider nya.

Kalo antara DOHC dan twincam - ane ngga ngeh istilah teknisnya-tapi secara akal-akalan awam, perbedaan advantage dan disadvantage antara keduanya : DOHC murni -> 2 cam diatur 2 gear.. masing2 gear cuman melayani 1 cam..
Twincam ->Dengan 2 cam diatur 1 gear.. jadi 1 gear itu harus membagi beban untuk 2 cam.
IMO, performance lebih baik yang pure DOHC.

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Cloud wrote:Banyak juga mesin2 modern pake pushrod ato ohv, umumnya buat mesin2 cc besar yang memiliki rpm lebih rendah, karena pake pushrod justru lebih menguntungkan dibanding pake ohc/dohc. konstruksi mesin dapat lebih kompak, kerugian mekanis lebih kecil.
buat mesin cc kecil dengan putaran tinggi malah merugikan, rpm yang tinggi akan mengakibatkan kerugian inersia yang cukup besar pada valvetrain, mengakibatkan rpm lambat naik, getaran yang tinggi, dan kurang efisien.
Pantesan, Kijang super sampe Grand Extra, kuatnya main RPM bawah.... :ungg: :ungg:
Keunggulan OHV sih...

Coba bawa Grand Extra di tol di RPM 4500-5000..... :big_slap:
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