LATIO VS ALL NEW JAZZ RS matik

[DhanZ]

ada rencana cari mobil kecil lagi nih, kali ni mo dipakai sendiri....
dengan dana 250an juta karena saya pecinta kecepatan lebih baik ambil yang mana? atau lebih baik ambil mazda 2 yah? atau new vios ?
besaran pajak keduanya berapaan yah?

urusan aftersales dan kemewahan tidak saya utamakan.... yang terpenting kecepatan, sukur kalo bisa nyaman.. saya pilih matik karena paling ngga, bisa bikin nyaman kalo untuk pergi bareng-bareng... tapi bisa kenceng saat dibawa sendiri, yah diantara matik mana yang paling kencang lah he..he..


mohon masukan dari para senior disini... terimakasih

[aldy]

Wah kalo kecepatan/performa semua pada tau deh Jazz kemana2 (yang type RS = paddle shift (matic) bebas ganti gigi sesukanya = power on demand tinggi = power paling besar dikelasnya 120dk otak atik dikit gampang dapet 140dk = speed freak) ga tau kalo pertimbangan harga jazz yg mahal jadi hambatan..
Mazda 2 juga kenceng model keren tapi kalah di fitur paddle shift terus power mesin jauh dibawah pesaing utama cuma 103dk..
Kalo vios no comment deh kalo taxi lover ga masalah kalo ane bermasalah..he2

[aldy]

Nah bro kecuali bro mau nunggu Ford fiesta DUAL clutch 1600cc "sangar" nih bro kalo jadi masuk indo..
Performa ga usah tanya deh seharusnya bakal jadi best accel compact hatchback..Bisa merasakan sensasi Nissan GTR/VW Golf dual clutch..hahahah ngayal mode : ON.. Tapi paling ga tuh transmisi udah canggih bgt n menunjang performa mobil secara keseluruhan..

[maxx]

yup.. mending tunggu fiesta deh... jd ada option pilihan u/ pertimbangan.. dari pada nyesel dah beli duluan

[asudarsono]

Harga segitu mau paling kenceng ya Subaru Forester XT automatik (7,4 det ... max 133 mph), tapi yg tahun 2006. Mau lebih keceng lagi Subaru Impreza STi manual tahun 2002 (5,2 det ... max 148 mph). Dua2nya mobil kecil tuh, cuma gak semua orang berani beli.

Kalau mobil baru automatik yang hari ini dijual dari ATPM 250 jtan .... lets see :
Ford Focus 2,0 142 bhp ... 10,4 det ... max 121 mph (rada gede sih mobilnya)
Honda Jazz 1,5 120 PS .... 11,5 det ... max 160 kpj
Nissan Livina ???
Proton Satria Neo 110 bhp .. 13,3 det .. max 115 mph

Setelah bikin tabel di atas, saya baru tahu Honda Jazz yg 1500 cc cuma ada di Asia Tenggara, makanya kok transmisinya aneh sendiri, bukan CVT kayak Jazz yg lain. Kirain sama dgn di Eropa. Jarang2 kita kebagian mobil yg lebih kenceng dari yg dikasih ke bule2. Sip dah.

[asudarsono]

Wah mau donk kalau sepknya kayak gini :

Ford Fiesta 1,6 120 PS (@4.000 rpm !!!!!!!!) 0-60 : 9,6 det. max speed 120 mph

tapi harga wipernya berapa????

[grandscenic]

Kalo ane mending Latio, terlebih buat pake sendiri.. utk Eks/Int jg cakep.. ga pasaran, nyaman jg punya, tp krn bro seneng speed, mungkin kurang memenuhi syarat. Saya pribadi da gak perlu lagi yg namanya speed, bawa mobil dg tenang jauh lbh nyaman,, mobil jg lbh adem yg ujung2nya awet, mungkin speed hanya sesekali dibutuhkan, kalo jalan pp bdg-jkt lwt cipularang, tp ttep jalan santai lbh menyenangkan.

sedikit gambaran aja :

Ford hatch 1.8L (130hp) = 240jt, naik dkit 2.0L (145hp) = 299jt, atau seperti tmen2 bilang Fiesta 1.6L (120hp) tp nunggu dan harga jg blm ketauan pastinya, tp jelas model Fresh.

Fresh..


yang ini Fiesta concept, bisa utk adu ganteng ama Scirocco



Mazda.. mending 2010 Mazda3 hatch, tampang lbh cakep, tp nunggu jg dan harga blm ketauan,
kalo yg On Sale 1.6L (104hp) = 250,5jt, naik dikit 2.0L (145hp) = 296jt

yang On sale


2010 3hatch, cakep mana..



KIA Soul, klo mo nunggu dan.. seneng model baru & sdikit berbeda, 1.6L (124hp), sama harga blm tau.




ya kalo gak, paling Honda lg jadinya..

[DhanZ]

oooh jadi mending nunggu ford fiesta aja yah?
sebenarnya kalo beli jazz dan latio sakit hati juga sih.. dengan model sama persis dengan tahun 2008 tapi harga beda jauh.. 2008 Jazz rs matik dan latio ga nyampe 200juta...
kalo a,bil fiesta kan model baru dengan harga yang menyesuaikan, istilahnya fiesta ga pernah harga nya jauh lebih murah he..he...

saya speed freak juga hanya sebatas untuk melepas adrenalin doang kok, setir santai juga sering..

emang latio tenaganya kurang ganas yah? padahal kan dah 1800cc (saya dah punya livina XR, mesinya irit dan kencang) cuma karena miskin fitur jadi ingin latio yang 1800cc dengan anggapan jauh lebih kencang daripada yang 1500cc
mesin 1800cc latio dengan grand livina yang 1800cc sama ga sih? bagusan mana antara keduanya?

kia, proton waduh saya masih pecinta mesin jepang euy....
subaru? wah kalo cari barunya duidnya ga cukup... kalo cari bekas takut bermasalah mengingat saya hidup di desa kecil dijawatengah

[alvika99]

gile tuh fiesta concept!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ambil dah yang itu>>>> ga salah pilih deh hehehehe

[eresiie]

Atau tunggu VW Polo aja, siapa tau harganya masuk. Tapi bakalan pusing urusan servicenya.

[nicoolz]

Latio di Thailand udah facelift kalau di Indo masi belum kayaknya...

[GTR]

Review-comparison :

Whether or not you’ve grown up as a car buff, unless you’re a troglodyte who still walks barefoot from point A to point B, you’re probably familiar with who “The Big 3″ automakers comprise. And if you’ve watched any of the executive groveling before our esteemed panel of D.C. dunderheads we call our “leaders”, then you’re absolutely familiar with The Big 3. However in the aftermath of Toyota’s recent ascension past GM to become the number #1 selling automotive brand in the world - in addition to its involvement in NASCAR and multiple American manufacturing plants - the old Big 3 moniker may need revision to include Toyota.

And who would be “The Other 2″? Honda and Nissan seem to fit the role quite well, with similarly expanding market share and multiple U.S.-based factories. Yes, it seems that when people nowadays refer to “The Big 3″, there needs to be some level of clarification - New School or Old School?


One of the central reasons why “The New Big 3″ are worthy of this author’s self-appointed title is partly because of their historical focus on offering consumers economy, value, efficiency and practicality; something traditional Detroit automakers lost sight of in the last decade. But this article is not a rant on Detroit - Twain knows the topic is already about as moth-eaten as they come, and Detroit has seen the folly of their ways.

Rather, this article is about comparing three little sub-compact cars: the Honda Fit, Nissan Versa and the Toyota Yaris. Cars that have held true to the decades-old focus and vision of The New Big 3 to deliver consumers an entry-level product that’s economical, practical, reliable and safe - well, relatively speaking. Safer than walking on the shoulder of an interstate, anyway.

SECOND RUNNER UP: 2009 Toyota Yaris

The Yaris is widely known as the Corolla’s smaller brother, which is like discovering that Danny Devito actually has a shorter sibling. Although the Yaris is short on size and weight - it’s the shortest five door hatch in this comparison by 11 inches and comes in at a cross-wind swooning 2300 pounds - the Yaris offers a fair amount of car for its $14K base price. Not to mention the fact that you can fit this car in parking spaces that the Fit and Versa would have to guillotine both bumpers for.

New for 2009 is the Yaris 5-door hatchback, which is based on the quirky and popular Scion xD, but Yaris only comes with a 1.5 liter DOHC four-cylinder VVT-i engine that eeks out 106 horsepower and 103 lb. ft of torque. Although these are the smallest power numbers of the three, Yaris has to move the least amount of weight, which actually makes the Yaris not as God-awful slow as you might imagine. It runs the 0-60 in the quickest time, an impressive 8.5 seconds, and still manages to get 29 mpg in the city and 36 on the freeway. But if you’re planning to hit that 8.5 second mark, you’re not going to do it with the slothful four-speed automatic, which is equivalent to attaching a boat anchor to the back.

Road manners for the Yaris are passable, but just barely. The Yaris doesn’t mask the fact that you’re driving a graduated tin can with an engine that barely registers triple digits in the power department. And like many other modern Toyota products, the steering is slow, dead and disconnected. Just because you’ve become the biggest selling brand in the world doesn’t mean you automatically make cars that are fun to drive. Actually, I can’t think of one new Toyota that’s fun to drive anymore, which didn’t used to be the case, but I digress.

Value-wise, the Yaris is just okay. For a $14K base price, you only get A/C and a tilt wheel. Items like power door locks and windows - which come standard on the less expensive, bigger, and more powerful Versa - are tack-on options with the Yaris. But of course, what you don’t get in features you do get in bona-fide, run-it-till-kingdom-come Toyota reliability.

Safety-wise, the Yaris is also just okay, and in this comparison, finishes last in safety with only a 3-star NHTSA ranking for side impact. So for those who hate taking risks and are willing to sacrifice a little safety for the ‘the sure thing’ reliability of Toyota, the Yaris might be a wise decision.

Exterior design-wise, 2009 marks some some styling retouches for the Yaris, which really help its appearance, especially in the sportier “S” model. Particularly with the hatchback, from the outside, the Yaris is a sharp-looking machine. However, once you open the door and cross the threshold, matters unravel quickly for the Yaris.

On the inside, the Yaris does a lot with what little room it has. With rear seats down, the Yaris offers an adequate 25.7 cu. ft. of cargo space. Not bad for a car of this size, but when lined up next to the Versa and Fit, falls well short.

However, for this author, the interior design of the Yaris is without question the biggest deal breaker. Why Toyota continually insists on its entry-level cars having the gauge cluster in the dead center of the dash is a mystery almost as great as why Chrysler manufactures so many redundant, useless heaps of vehicular waste. Having nothing but bare dashboard in front of the steering wheel is like looking at your favorite cartoon character with its eyes, nose and mouth missing. It just doesn’t look right. And the linear stack of HVAC controls doesn’t do anything to resolve the situation. Quite simply, the interior of the Yaris hurts it enough to earn last place in this Little 3 comparison.

FIRST RUNNER UP: 2009 Nissan Versa (LATIO)

The Versa comes to this New Big 3 comparison technically classed as a midsize car, not a sub-compact. But by only looking at the Versa S base price of $13,800, you’d never guess it offers a 122 horsepower engine, A/C, cruise, CD stereo, and power windows and door locks, all standard. What’s more impressive is what Versa is offering for 2009 - a new base level Versa 1.6 which actually comes in below $10K at $9,990 (before destination charge)! This is a low enough price for the Versa to dethrone the Chevy Aveo as the least expensive car in America. Granted, the base Versa has a smaller, 106 horsepower engine, no A/C, cruise, power windows or radio for that matter, but hey, what do you expect for $9,990?

So the Versa technically offers the most car for the least amount of money in this comparison, but is the quality of the Versa greater than its price? The answer is a resounding Yes. Based on our road test of the 2008 Versa S, we think that the Versa is without question one of the best values in all of autopia. Name another car that can deliver so many standard features, highest safety ratings, a 122 horsepower engine that gets up to 33 mpg, a six-speed manual transmission and rear seat legroom almost as spacious as a 5-series BMW at a sub-$15K price. Having trouble? That’s right. You can’t. When it comes to outright value, the Versa stands alone. Then consider the new Versa 1.6 at below $10K, which, quality-wise, demoralizes the former low-buck title holder, Chevy Aveo, and the case for the Versa is overwhelming.

So if the case for the Versa is so strong, what keeps it from being the overall winner of this comparison? It boils down to intangibles. The Versa comes out on top in many categories, but where it fails in comparison to the Fit is in the aesthetics department. At the end of the day, the Versa is just “basic transportation” - something we touched on in both the written full review of the 2008 Versa and the Versa video review . The Versa lacks the sporting feel of the Fit, and although it’s technically got more power, it has to lug 200 more pounds around than the Fit, so acceleration is a wash.

There’s nothing wrong with “basic transportation”, but if you’re going to live with this car every day, wouldn’t you like a little more personality? I mean, think about it for a minute. Did you marry your spouse because he or she fit the parameters for “basic procreation”, or did you marry your spouse because he or she made you laugh and feel good about yourself? This is the elemental difference between the Versa and the Fit.

WINNER: 2009 Honda Fit

Honda is widely recognized as the first Japanese automaker to really hit on the economy aspect of car ownership. Honda’s 1972 introduction of the highly fuel-efficient, low-emission and even lower horsepower CVCC engine may have been greeted by riotous laughter in Detroit, but today the laughter has quelled to a low, rolling sob. With the exception of Americanized abberations like the Pilot and Ridgeline, Honda has remained true to its original intent of making fuel-efficient, low-emissions cars that are fun to drive and practical to live with.

And there is no other car in the history of Honda that more perfectly embodies those original attributes than the Fit. Yes, that’s some high praise, especially considering how many great cars Honda has made over the years. Think of the Fit as a CRX station wagon - a concept which fits the needs of many car buyers. Consider all these highlights, and you’ll quickly see why the Fit is such an appropriate name for this machine.

Fit’s fuel efficient - 28 mpg around town and 35 mpg on the highway.

Fit’s well-built - Quiet road manners, top-shelf interior materials and design.

Fit’s well-appointed - Base model comes with power everything and options like voice-controlled navigation only found on more expensive models.

Fit’s practical - Best-in-class 57.3 cu. ft. of cargo room with one lever pull to fold-flat rear seats.

Fit’s innovative - Rear Magic Seat allows the seat bottoms to be folded up for additional cargo capacity.

And most importantly, at least for this author, Fit’s fun to drive - Granted the 117 horsepower 1.5 liter VTEC four banger won’t get you anywhere in a hurry, but it’s handling characteristics are endearing and never fail to put a smile on the driver’s face.

Although this car is a remarkable achievement of practicality, fuel-efficiency, value and fun, there are a few areas where the Fit could be fitter. Although the four-cylinder VTEC motor does just fine with an empty galley, as soon as you pile in your cronies and load up the back with cronie crap, the Fit’s acceleration goes from adequate to anemic. And although the Fit’s navigation system is one of the most technologically advanced and easy-to-use units on the market, the Fit curiously has no satellite radio option.

The Fit also suffers from some visibility limitations due to it’s exterior profile that looks like it went through one too many sessions with Igor on a medieval stretching machine. The A-pillar window reaches so far forward that it almost touches the grossly oversized headlights, which significantly blocks visibility in corners. And the front doors have more glass than sheetmetal, not a bad thing for visibility, but evokes quite a curious appearance. But design is personal. Some will love the Fit’s appearance, some will hate it, but neither can deny that the Fit is an exceptional value, and both will probably end up buying it.

A $16K base price is definitely a bit high for an entry-level, sub-compact, especially considering it’s $2,000 gap over the next most expensive car in this comparison (Yaris), but as the old adage goes, “you get what you pay for”. Anyone who drives the Fit will agree that it’s worth the extra coin. The only question is, do you have the extra coin?


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[DhanZ]

wew... honda jazz menang banyak amat yah...? masa ga ada pilihan lain selain jazz sih...

[asudarsono]

Menang apa ya? Bukannya Avanza yg menang?

[AD74YA]

wew... honda jazz menang banyak amat yah...? masa ga ada pilihan lain selain jazz sih...

Kalo IMHO sih plihan terbaik masih Jazz oom.. yah mau gimana lagi?
Coba kita lihat dari aspek lebih luas ya;
Mesin; standar sudah cukup responsif.. bisa di up dengan sangat mudah performance nya.. banyak pilihan sukucadangnya
Luas interior; pastinya lebih besar dibanding fiesta, terutama bagian bagasi.. So, lebih nyaman untuk banyak hal
Handling; ga akan kalah dengan fiesta.. maybe cuma slightly kalah stabil, tapi aku bilang jangan ekspektasi terlalu jauh akan signifikan bedanya
Spare part; ga perlu ngomong
Harga jual; apalagi

kedua, saya pilih Yaris; alasan sama, untuk upping performa sangat2 mudah dan murah ; ini untuk kondisi mengutamakan performa..

.. dan paling pentimg wipernya murah..

[Good_boy86]

[quote="DhanZ]
emang latio tenaganya kurang ganas yah? padahal kan dah 1800cc (saya dah punya livina XR, mesinya irit dan kencang) cuma karena miskin fitur jadi ingin latio yang 1800cc dengan anggapan jauh lebih kencang daripada yang 1500cc
mesin 1800cc latio dengan grand livina yang 1800cc sama ga sih? bagusan mana antara keduanya?
[/quote]

setau gw mesinnya sama kok antara latio dan livina 1.8.
btw, akhir taun 2008 bukannya bos beli altis ya?? uda dijual bos?

[aldy]

Bro. Latio cuma ada matik (CMIIW) masih agak konvensional lagi kalo dibanding matiknya jazz..Lah kalo bro masih suka suspensi empuk n nyaman emang pilih latio..Tapi kalo suka nikung2 gaya sembalap jazz pilihannya ane punya honda city 6 tahun (sama kayak jazz vtec bantingannya) jadi udah hafal karakter mobil honda (pokoknya buat ane honda bener2 bisa menyalurkan adrenalin dgn sempurna di dalkot )..
Kalo bro ambil GL yg 1800 pengen kenceng tentunya ambil yg manual 6 speed bnyk kok yg udah tembus 200km/h lebih,, kalo GL 1800 matik jangan deh "power to weight ratio" bagusan Latio lagian udah punya livina series kan he2..GL 1.8 sama latio mesin sama tapi perbandingan gigi beda..

[DOHC]

definitely new jazz broo... ane sendiri dah cobain sendiri tuh mobil.... biarpun matik tapi memuaskan napsu darah muda ane, tarikan awal, selap selip di jalan tol dgn kecepatan tinggi jg mantap, bener2 gen honda abis deh neh mobil..... vios atau yaris jgn deh bro... ga beda ama livina nya ente, malah kalo ane bandingin berdasar feeling ane waktu nyetir, livina ama yaris kayanya tarikan lebi galak livina logh... tapi ini utk yg manual yah...

[asudarsono]

Pengalaman saya, tarikan Livina lebih lamban dari Inopah lhoooo.

[DOHC]

Pengalaman saya, tarikan Livina lebih lamban dari Inopah lhoooo.

GL nya bro asudarsono yg 1500 manual kan... aneh yah dmana mustinya lebi bagus tarikan nya livina scara power to weight ratio nya bagusan GL... tapi yah laen orang laen feeling...

[aldy]

@bro DOHC bener bro ngisi terus powernya tarikan bawahnya apalagi selepas 3000rpm..apalagi modif street performance waduhh ga tau deh rasanya..
@asudarsono yakin nih bro inopah accelnya labih kuat dibanding livi..
Mungkin accel bawahnya emang kuat bgt tuh inopahh cz gen engine tetep kyk kijang kapsul (torsi gede rpm rendah)..Tapi kalo rpm atas mah boyo he2..Lah kalo bro asudarsono pgn livinya kuat n kenceng tarikannya rpm dijaga terus antara 2500rpm ampe 4000rpm kenceng gila kok bro apalagi diatas 4000rpm wussh (diiringi dengingan halus he2)..Ane udah buktikan kok di tol 140km/h keatas bye2 innopah..(ane pake GL 1.5 m/t loh)
Saran kalo pake livi series mending pake pertamax kasihan mesinnya tuh dikasih premium agak nyendat (kadang agak ngelitik halus juga)...

[aldy]

@Dhanz mending test drive aja bro biar tau rasanya n membandingkan terus kasih no HP palsu aja kalo takut dikejar2 sales he2

[DhanZ]

setau gw mesinnya sama kok antara latio dan livina 1.8.
btw, akhir taun 2008 bukannya bos beli altis ya?? uda dijual bos?

All new Altisnya masih ada bos, jadi oajangan doang, ternyata kegedean jadi kurang fleksible kalo kesana kemari pake all new altis ini, jadi hanya nongkrong digarasi untuk di poles doang...

Pengalaman saya, tarikan Livina lebih lamban dari Inopah lhoooo.

waduh inopah yang mana yah? super inopah yang bermesin 2700cc atau yang sering berkeliaran dijalan... emang sih suka ada lag kalo langsung betot mesin hr15A livina xr, tapi ga parah amat kok, kalo sebelahnya innova g aja sih masih lebih kenceng si XR ini... tapi bener kkadang feeling orang beda-beda

definitely new jazz broo... ane sendiri dah cobain sendiri tuh mobil.... biarpun matik tapi memuaskan napsu darah muda ane, tarikan awal, selap selip di jalan tol dgn kecepatan tinggi jg mantap, bener2 gen honda abis deh neh mobil..... vios atau yaris jgn deh bro... ga beda ama livina nya ente, malah kalo ane bandingin berdasar feeling ane waktu nyetir, livina ama yaris kayanya tarikan lebi galak livina logh... tapi ini utk yg manual yah...

oh masih galak livina xr toh? punya gw cuma dikasih ground wire + airboom serta filter JFC doang...kalo 200km doang sih di tol cirebon nyampe nya gampang

Bro. Latio cuma ada matik (CMIIW) masih agak konvensional lagi kalo dibanding matiknya jazz..Lah kalo bro masih suka suspensi empuk n nyaman emang pilih latio..Tapi kalo suka nikung2 gaya sembalap jazz pilihannya ane punya honda city 6 tahun (sama kayak jazz vtec bantingannya) jadi udah hafal karakter mobil honda (pokoknya buat ane honda bener2 bisa menyalurkan adrenalin dgn sempurna di dalkot )..
Kalo bro ambil GL yg 1800 pengen kenceng tentunya ambil yg manual 6 speed bnyk kok yg udah tembus 200km/h lebih,, kalo GL 1800 matik jangan deh "power to weight ratio" bagusan Latio lagian udah punya livina series kan he2..GL 1.8 sama latio mesin sama tapi perbandingan gigi beda..

iya bos, latio hanya ada matik.... karena saya ingin kenyamanan dengan tiadanya kopling tapi masih bisa menyalurkan adrenalain yang ringan -ringan bos.. makanya pilihanya latio or jazz rs matik. kalo kenyamanan suspensi beda jauh ga yah antara jazz dan latio ini..? (walaupun saya tau kenyamanan suspensi tidak bisa berbanding lurus dengan kenyaman saat melibas tikungan) at least ga terlalu jauh lah bedanya

@bro DOHC bener bro ngisi terus powernya tarikan bawahnya apalagi selepas 3000rpm..apalagi modif street performance waduhh ga tau deh rasanya..
@asudarsono yakin nih bro inopah accelnya labih kuat dibanding livi..
Mungkin accel bawahnya emang kuat bgt tuh inopahh cz gen engine tetep kyk kijang kapsul (torsi gede rpm rendah)..Tapi kalo rpm atas mah boyo he2..Lah kalo bro asudarsono pgn livinya kuat n kenceng tarikannya rpm dijaga terus antara 2500rpm ampe 4000rpm kenceng gila kok bro apalagi diatas 4000rpm wussh (diiringi dengingan halus he2)..Ane udah buktikan kok di tol 140km/h keatas bye2 innopah..(ane pake GL 1.5 m/t loh)
Saran kalo pake livi series mending pake pertamax kasihan mesinnya tuh dikasih premium agak nyendat (kadang agak ngelitik halus juga)...

i Agree tapi diisi premium juga masih bertenaga kok (at least sampe sekarang) soalnya di desa saya cari pertamax susah, apalgi pertamax plus... dijawa tengah hanya ada di kota besar.. dan sepanjang pantura saja... di jalur selatan pertamax plus hanya ada di jogjakarta... kelewatan banget kan

[asudarsono]

Ya, mungkin saya aja yang kurang pandai nariknya si GL 1,5 jadi kalah sama Inopah..... mungkin kopling saya udah kurang bagus ...... mungkiiiiiiiiiin. Krn waktu itu pakai premium jadi mungkin lagi. Mulai 100 sih imbang. Kalau udah di atas 130 sih, emang menang Lipina ke mana2. Mungkin krn Inopah masih pakai OHV jadi kuat di bawah.

[GTR]

Ya, mungkin saya aja yang kurang pandai nariknya si GL 1,5 jadi kalah sama Inopah..... mungkin kopling saya udah kurang bagus ...... mungkiiiiiiiiiin. Krn waktu itu pakai premium jadi mungkin lagi. Mulai 100 sih imbang. Kalau udah di atas 130 sih, emang menang Lipina ke mana2. Mungkin krn Inopah masih pakai OHV jadi kuat di bawah.

mesin Innova udah EFI DOHC vvti, bro... bukan mesin kijang kapsul lagi...