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Cielo matic94 AT Over heat..

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selamat sore semua....

mau minta pencerahan nih.... :big_peace:
silvi gw tau2 temperaturnya naik sampe ke batas warna merah... :big_slap:
padahal sebelum pergi di cek air radiator penuh...
setalah dilihat ternya tabung air cadangan airnya jadi penuh dan mendidih.. trus liat di lubang tutup radiator air nya seperti tidak bergerak... biasanya terlihat perputaran ato sirkulasinya...
kira2 apanya yg jadi kendalanya ya... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
biasanya bos2 tau banyak nih soal gini...

ditunggu pencerahannya...
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coba2 kasi pendapat ney oom :ungg:
klo bole tau kapan terakhir service radiator....?trus air apa yg biasa d gunakan ngisi radiator??

trus msh ada yg blom d jelasin tu mengenai temperatur yg naik sampe red line, terjadi nya waktu mobil dlm keadaan ky gmana oom......ngebut kah?siang hari kah?malam?jalan jauh/dekat?macet?ac on/of?? dll dsb

mengenai air d tangki reservoir yg penuh dan panas/mendidih, setau sy memang normalnya spt ...........bahkan klo sebelum mesin d hidupkan dan air yg ada d tangki melebihi batas maksimal, pada saat mesin panas ada kemungkinan sebagian air tersebut tumpah/terbuang keluar melalui selang pembuangan..................

gitu oom :ungg:
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siap om doq!!

radiator klo diservice sih dah lm bgt! klo cm kuras radiator bulan lalu....
pake airnya cm pake air ledeng :frm_bang_head: soalnya dari dulu pake itu... kata orang2 klo di ganti coolant malah jd bocor... :big_slap:

emang pas ketauan sih emang lagi dipake ngebut ac off... trus pas dilampu merah ngeliat itu langsung nyalain ac... aga turun sih... tapi ga banyak (cm ga nempel ke red line).. saat itu jam 12 malem dan jalan (lokasi bandung) lumayan sepi dan datar.... perjalanan sekitar 10km..

karena penasaran.... setelah sampe rumah dan mesin dingin dibuka tuh tutup radiator... ternyata air penuh... trus tes lagi jalan balik lagi ke jalur yg sama tapi balik arah... saat itu ac on... temperatur naik lagi tapi ga sampe red line (dibawahnya dikit)...

sampe tujuan langsung buka tutup radiator (walhasil air muncrat!!! :frm_bang_head: )...
setalah muncratan air reda... coba isi air lagi.. saat itu terlihat klo air bersirkulasi... kemudian coba jalan lagi.... perjalanan sekitar 3km.. temperatur stabil dibawah setengah (posisi biasanya)...

tapi ternyata tadi siang (jam 12 siang kondisi padat ) temperatur aga terlihat naik (ke atas setengah sedikit) pada saat naik ke gedung buat parkir... (perjalanan dari rumah ke kantor sekitar 5km) oh ya... ac on...

gitu om Doq....

kira2 apa penyebabnya ya.... :weekk:

ditunggu pencerahannya om.... :ungg:
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waah....tutup radiator klo d buka saat temperatur mesin msh panas ya muncrat laaah hehehe :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ati2 oom, kna kulit melepuh dah......

kasus overheat gini biasanya harus d urut satu2 dulu neh oom, lbh baik coba service radiator dulu mengingat sdh lama tdk d service........mungkin masalahnya hanya simple2 aja, saluran airnya ada yg mampet misalnya.....apalagi pake air ledeng.
sekalian bagian2 yg suspect bocor d tambal.

klo dah beres service, skalian ganti pk coolant aja oom.........kabar mengenai radiator yg bocor gara2 coolant imho hanya hoax aja berdasarkan pengalaman sy, soale mbl tua sy jg pk coolant n no problemo tuh

oia.....yg paling penting cek kipas radiator dulu oom, berfungsi benar apa ngga ya?soale sy baca d atas.....waktu liat temperatur naik, pada saat lampu merah langsung nyalain ac khan?dan temperatur sdkt terbantu turun(walo kurang signifikan) :ungg:

sy cm bsa share pengalaman sendiri seh............moga2 bsa bantu neh oom :mrgreen:
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ooo gitu ya oom sory2 my bad klo gitu......thx 4 correction :thanks:

klo gitu perlu d tanyain ke oom silver neh, tutup radiator yg d pk msh standar ato bukan?ato jangan2 fungsinya sdh berkurang neh.......

se7 sm oom mario, kerusakan jg bsa terjadi pd thermostat................tp imho lbh baik coba lakukan hal2 yg lbh simple dulu(cek kipas radiator+service), baru cek yg lainnya..........imho ya :ungg: :big_peace:
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lha..........postingnya oom mario kok ilang ya?
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nah itu yg aku bingung.....
posting yg lainnya mana??????? :ungg:

klo fan sih ok om Doq....
soalnya otomatis masih jalan dan sambil aku liatin jg nyala normal...
service radiator??? besok dicoba deh...

klo tutup radiator masih yg std baget ....
emang ada yg ga std??? :big_slap: (smoga yg harus ganti cuma itu...wakakaka... penyakit ahir bulan nih... :upss: )
abis ngeri harus overhoul nih.... tadi sempet nelp bengkel katanya karena air ngebalik ke reservoir dihawatirin water jacket nya yg kena.. uh bisa bangkrut nih!!! :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:
yg ga std kaya mana??? :ungg: belinya dmn??? :ungg: soalnya dulu jaman pake ety diganti yg std jg ma si bengkel..

BTW thx for pencerahannya om doq....


ayo yg lain barang kali ada yg punya pengalaman yg sama??? sharing dong...
biar besok ga dikadalin bengkel nih.... :big_peace:
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td oom mario ada posting d sini jg.....cm kok ilang ya postnya :e-think:
barusan dia suspect ke tutup radiator yg (mungkin) sdh d ganti non std, makanya air yg mendidihnya sampe ke tangki reservoir......begitu oom

lalu ada kemungkinan dr thermostat juga neh, mungkin otomatisnya (namanya lp, yg mengatur perputaran air pd suhu tertentu)sdh error...........

terus terang mengenai water jacket sy ga ngerti ney oom......mungkin yg lain bsa bantu? :ungg:
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nah itu dia aku jg bingung yg namanya water jacket ntu apa... :frm_bang_head:


cmon... another suggest please... :e-pray:
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coba nt liat2 disene bro...http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... =+radiator....

klo ga ketemu, coba search 'radiator'..... krn masalah radiator ato overheat dah sering dibahas....

smoga membantu............
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Masalah overheat gampang2 susah, krn penyebabnya bisa berbagai faktor, nah disini peran TS sebagai pemilik mbl yg sangat2 diharapkan informasi lengkapnya krn dr historis perawatan mudah2an bs mempermudah analisa. :big_peace:

AFAIK water jacket adalah saluran air radiator di dalam blok silinder yang mengelilingi dinding silinder (liner).CMIIW, kalo water jacket udah mampet krn berkerak ya memang harus dioverhaul buat bersihin saluran2 didalamnya.

Di postingan paling atas saya liat ada keterangan bahwa air seperti tidak bergerak (sirkulasi) saat diliat dr lubang tutup radiator, kalo dah gt penyebabnya macem2 oom...bisa dr waterpump, thermostat, saluran yg mampet dlsb.CMIIW

Analisa konyol saya, penggunaan air ledeng untuk mengisi radiator jg bs saja jadi kontribusi penyumbatan, krn airnya mengandung bahan2 aditif. Mungkin saja bahan aditif yg terkandung dlm air tsb lama2 menimbulkan kerak di dalam sistem pendinginan.CMIIW.

Jika sulit untuk mendapatkan air tawar untuk mengisi radiator, boleh dicoba cairan radiator fluid (sudah termasuk coolant didalamnya), jadi setelah radiator dikuras, lalu masukan semua cairan tsb ke radiator sampe penuh tanpa menambah air tawar.

CMIIW yah.....piss :beer:
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bisa jadi water pump uda lemah atau rusak, scara TS pake nya air ledeng gt,takutnya uda karat lalu muter nya kaga lancar, kadang malah macet... thermostat yg rusak jg bisa gara2 tuh air ledeng bikin pegas thermostat nya karat lalu stuck..

btw honda ane dulu jg perna overheat, cuman itu gara2 ada satu fan nya korslet relay nya... jadi kalo macet atau ac on, temperatur mentok ke garis merah, tapi gt ane jalan dia turun dikit...
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sy sendiri prnh ngalamin kasus overheat yg mirip2 gini, temperatur naik mendekati red line pd saat mobil d geber konstan d rpm tinggi......ga peduli siang ato malem.tapi hanya itu aja, pada saat macet ato pun jalan lama dengan rpm yg ga tinggi hal tsb ga terjadi.....

setelah tanya kanan kiri akhirnya d putuskan utk cek satu persatu........untungnya langsung sembuh setelah service radiator. menurut tukang radiator, saluran air radiator yg kecil2 itu ada yg mampet d karenakan kristalisasi dr penggunaan air ledeng yg sdh ckup lama memang.......waktu itu sy liat bentuknya spt butiran garam.........beres service langsung deh beralih ke radiator coolant

sekarang alhamdulillah temperatur normal2 aja walopun rpm d panteng deket red line saat jalan jauh..... :ungg:
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Report terbaru ni oommm smua....

Tadi pagi aku ke bengkel....
sesuai dgn info2 yg aku dapet akhirnya dicoba tuh smua..

1. Coba ganti tutup radiator = reservoir tetep mendidih dan meluap tapi ga sampe over heat mungkin karena ga dipake jalan jauh... :e-wall:

2. service radiator = hasil tetap sama.... :e-wall: :e-wall:

3. cek termostat = TERNYATA SUDAH TIDAK ADA :big_slap:

4. cek Waterpump = masih ok dan hasil tetep aja sama.. :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: :mad:

akhirnya karena terlihat ada gelembung udara yg keluar saat di gas dan membuat air di radiator dan reservoir mendidih orang bengkel berasumsi ada kebocoran kompresi ke water jacket... (Untung belum melenting dan air masuk dan bercampur dgn oli :e-pray: )
Pihak bengkel klaim bahwa cukup packing silinder head yg harus diganti... :agrue: :agrue:


Walhasil.... saat ini silvi ku sedang turun 1/2.... tapi ga dilakukan overhoul... cm buat penggantian packing silinder headnya.... (kata org bengkelnya gt...) (sekalian bersihin kerak di silinder head ah.... cm ga skir klep...) :big_peace:

Tapi memang daerah water jacket penuh dgn kerak berwarna putih.... mungkin karena penggunaan air ledeng itu ya????

coolant yg paling murah berapa ya???? :ungg:


Nti klo beres aku kasih report terbarunya....

thx for all...
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bro silver, ane saranin sigh jangan yg murah2 amat, kcuali ente emang rajin ganti coolant tiap stengah taon skali... anggap aja ini pencegahan jangka panjang gt.... coba pake coolant yg concentrate aja, lalu di diluted ama air suling... perbandingan nya bisa 1:1 atau 1:2.... ane saranin sigh pake merek prestone... atau seiken karena seiken itu dulu jadi salah satu radiator coolant nya honda...

kalo emang males nyampur2 gt, bisa beli yg uda premix alias tinggal tuang....
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oohh... gitu ya bro.... :ungg:

maklum biasa pake aer ledeng nih... wakakaka.. :upss:

klo gitu aku mau telp bengkelnya deh skrg biar pakein collant yg merk seiken...
tapi kayanya mending yg tinggal tuang kali ya... soalnya biar ga bingung nyari air suling nya....

thanks infonya bro.... :frm_salut:
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ga harus seiken sigh... merek laen jg gpp asalkan dari produsen terpecaya, sperti prestone, seiken, bahkan top1 pun ane coba jg ga jelek koq....
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prestone ma seiken bagusan mana bro??? :ungg:
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wah ga tau bro, ane bukan kerja di pabrikan coolant, ini cuman pengalaman ane aja gt, ama hasil cari2 di internet... so far sigh ane uda perna cobain top1, prestone, seiken, honda radiator coolant (ga tau nya buatan seiken), megacool, TGMO.... dan smuanya memuaskan sigh, karena rata2 tiap merek ane coba lebi dari 2 taon gt, dan ga ada masalah...
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jadi penasaran dng hasil akhirnya euy..... :roll:

apakah paking cyl head yg udah gak bagus atau memang cyl head yang udah mlengkung krn pernah overheat sehingga ada rembesan ke water jacket ? :e-think:

Tapi kalo memang udah dinyatakan head gak mlenting/mlengkung mudah2an aja kerusakannya masih minim dan problem cepet selesai ditangani. Terlanjur cyl head udah dibuka, sekalian dicek apakah lubang2 water jacket di bloknya masih lancar atau udah ada penyumbatan, sekalian kerak2nya dibersihkan juga.

Saran saya mumpung sistem lg dikuras kering gini, untuk coolant nya mendingan pake yg premix aja lah, tinggal tuang gak usah nambahin air tawar lagi, memang lbh mahal tp untuk preventif kan tidak ada salahnya

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siaaappp bro.... :frm_salut:
Nti aku kabarin hasil akhirnya.....
tunggu ya..... :e-pray:
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saran oot........mumpung lg turun 1/2mesin gini skalian pnp aja oom :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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doq wrote:saran oot........mumpung lg turun 1/2mesin gini skalian pnp aja oom :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
SETUJU......!!

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jalu wrote:
doq wrote:saran oot........mumpung lg turun 1/2mesin gini skalian pnp aja oom :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
SETUJU......!!

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ini thread overheat yah,, bukan thread PnP... :big_smoking:
Permisii :ungg: ............................. :ngacir:
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sabar om mod.....kalo pnp & papas head gak benar kan bs berakibat overheat juga........................ :ngacir: :ngacir:
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