Innova Diesel gak kuat di Tanjakan?

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abrof wrote:Bro...Mandala & FM ....... :off_no:
Nanti orang pada segan beropini lho....atau justru tujuan SerayaMotor gak tercapai.....mengungkap kebenaran di lapangan....buat semua pabrikan.....
Upsss......sori om abrof, kalo post ane agak ga enak dibaca....tapi tujuan ane bukan mau membatasi orang beropini....cuma untuk yg kali ini rasanya emang harus digituin :mrgreen: coba deh om baca statement nya lagi.... :D
Hehehe.......jgn salah tangkep yah om, u know me lah...... :big_peace:
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maskopat wrote:
gak usah takut om abrof.. kita ungkapkan saja kebenaran.. walau itu pahit..
tapi menyampaikannya perlu diplomasi yang bagus.. agar gak ada yang tersinggung.. :big_weee: :big_weee:

kalo menurut ane, om dal dan om FM cukup netral... kecuali sama ane... :mrgreen:
tauk tuh, mereka sensi banget sama ane.. :upss:

peace dulu ah... :big_peace: :big_peace: :cupss:
Hih.....ngapain juga sensi sama ente? kalo berani lawan donk!!! :upss: ......... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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mandala1 wrote:
maskopat wrote:
gak usah takut om abrof.. kita ungkapkan saja kebenaran.. walau itu pahit..
tapi menyampaikannya perlu diplomasi yang bagus.. agar gak ada yang tersinggung.. :big_weee: :big_weee:

kalo menurut ane, om dal dan om FM cukup netral... kecuali sama ane... :mrgreen:
tauk tuh, mereka sensi banget sama ane.. :upss:

peace dulu ah... :big_peace: :big_peace: :cupss:
Hih.....ngapain juga sensi sama ente? kalo berani lawan donk!!! :upss: ......... :ngacir: :ngacir:
udah ane tunggu di "medan perang"... seperti biasa, captiva, hilux, everest diesel...
:snipersmile: :ngacir:
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abrof wrote:bro kopat.... klo om Mandala dan FM sentimen ama ente sih wajar.... :mrgreen: :ngacir: :ngacir:
om abrof, ane bukannya sentimen lagi sama om kopat, tapi udah kilomen :big_weee: :big_weee:
................. :ngacir:
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abrof wrote:Bro...Mandala & FM ....... :off_no:
Nanti orang pada segan beropini lho....atau justru tujuan SerayaMotor gak tercapai.....mengungkap kebenaran di lapangan....buat semua pabrikan.....
Kenapa mesti segan om...yg lain bilang D4D gak kuat nanjak gak masalah toh (bigpanther, wishmaster)...bisa aja rusak atau emang gak kuat. No problem. Tapi seperti si om mandala bilang, emang ini org ada tujuan lain...sama sekali bukan untuk membantu si TS.
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zweifellos wrote:mobil bensin bakal kerasa enaknya tentu kalo rpmnya tinggi. nah kalo torsi kurang (kalo beban banyak), power di mobil bensin pun terasa kurang berguna karena mobil ga bisa diajak ke rpm tinggi, kecuali masuk ke gigi rendah tapi gigi rendah juga punya limit akhir kecepatan di gigi itu. kasus seperti dulu bawa kijang (muatan penuh), mentok gigi 2 aja, tapi maksimal gigi 2 40-an kmh lebih, kalo digas lagi bakal meraung mesinnya tapi biasanya kalo digas lagi malah kurang kuat naiknya alias kaya ga dapat torsi (mungkin kurva torsi bensin memang seperti itu? jadi kalo rpm tinggi torsinya menurun?). beda misalnya pas bawa rocky (muatan penuh), gigi 3 masih dapat, jadi kecepatan masih bisa lebih tinggi dari kijang.

sori kalo contoh mobil bensin dan dieselnya ga nyambung, soalnya ga punya banyak pengalaman bawa mobil. :mrgreen:
pada kijang lama itu juga karena power mesin model ini terlampau kecil 63 -72 ps. Pada sekitar 40kmh itu udah sekitar peak power di rpm 5000 dengan gigi-2, sudah habis, belum tentu kalo masih bisa "napas" 45ps/1000rpm lagi di avanza S misalnya.

Tentang kesan seolah lebih "kuat" karena "bisa" pakai gigi lebih tinggi juga bisa semu pada mesin2 sekarang.
Masalah posisi gigi dan rpm misal di tanjakan cuma sejauh skala dari putaran/peak kemampuan mesin.
Pada corolla Gti, misalnya, dengan gigi lebih rendah & "cuma perlu" berputar jauh lebih tinggi di rpm 3600 pun "baru" 50% saja peak keampuannya (yang tentu tidak mungkin kita treat sama seperti diesel hanya di rpm 2500 seperti nyetir rocky).
Padahal dengan posisi gigi lebih tinggi pada putaran lebih rendah rpm2500 di rocky, mesin karakter rpm rendah ini sebenernya malah sudah berputar 70% peak kemampuannya, atau udah poolll kalo di rpm3600 samain putaran Gti tadi.
karena ini, mobil dengan spec peak mesin "rpm rendah" timbul kesan; mobil dijalankan pada rpm lebih rendah daripada melihat skala batas kemampuannya (yang seringkali justru dikuras lebih jauh).
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bro abrof,
tenang aja, kalo masalah bro RT sama bro FM itu dah biasa gitu kok, menurut gue sih sekedar pada bersemangat aja, gak perlu ditakutin, malah enak bacanya buat rame-2in thread... :)
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^^ :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
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mandala1 wrote:^^ :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
hehehe.. momod baru makin bijak nih... :frm_tumbright:
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pengalaman ane make ipah d4d manual standard buat nanjak, kalo di tanjakan curam lalu muatan full load serta start dari kondisi brenti total 0 kph, musti diperhatikan efek TBW yg bikin gas tidak spontan, kalo bejek gas langsung lepas kopling mobil malah mundur krn mesin belum bereaksi, ada jeda sekitar 0,5 detik antara injekan pedal gas dgn reaksi mesin secara TBW, lalu turbo boost baru ngisi di sekitar 1400 rpm ke atas, nyoba nanjak pelan dgn gigi 2 ato 3 dari 1000 rpm mobil jalan lelet, jarum speedo & rpm lambat banget naiknya, begitu menyentuh kira2 1400 rpm langsung terasa boostnya, akselerasi langsung kenceng, jadi kalo msh standard sebaiknya di tanjakan curam dari posisi berhenti di gas dulu sampe rpm 1400 ato lebih baru lepas kopling

kalo mau modif utk naikin boost di rpm bawah denger2 bisa dgn modif ganti downpipe dgn yg tidak nekuk 90 derajat, ganti selang waste gate, pasang CAI atau bisa juga dibantu dgn piggy back

kesimpulan ane, driving skills juga diperlukan meskipun mobil masih baru secara karakter mobil juga driver perlu tau & menyesuaikan teknik drivingnya
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MEoongg, ente dah jadi Mod......jaga ya tangannya..... :big_weee:
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Wah bung mandala udah jadi momod ya?
congratz ya om... :frm_tumbleft:
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Oiya mau mengingatkan, jangan lupa accu nya diantar ke rumah saya krn sudah berhasil menjadi tim sukses :big_slap:
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Abu2 wrote:MEoongg, ente dah jadi Mod......jaga ya tangannya..... :big_weee:
Iya kakak senior...... :ungg:
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@bro BADAK: siiiip bro....tunggu aku di kota mu :upss:
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eeeh.. gak boleh OOT di tret ini... ini tret orang yang perlu bantuan.. bukan di-OOT-in...

btw, gimana nih kabarnya om bigpanther? apa tanggapan auto 2000?

semoga cuman masalah slip kopling aja karena habis ganti gearbox... :e-pray: :e-pray:
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^^

denger2 sigh om meong uda menghibahkan satu set kopling dari TRD.... :upss: :upss:
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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hari ini, pagi mbl dah bibawa ke auto 2000 bekasi oleh teknisi mereka.
mereka memberi alasan kalo OKSIGEN yg masuk terlalu kecil kandungannya...lalu masalah di saluran gas buangnya alias knalpot..
jujur aja, gw gak ngerti apa penjelasan mereka..
tapi feeling saya seh, mgkn di downpipe atw mgkn saluran knalpot yg gw liat di mesin, memang yg ketekuk 90 derajat.
mereka juga gak ungkit soal transmisi..apaplagi kopling

tapi, yang pasti mobil dah bawa and mereka akan hubungi kembali bila mobil sudah diperbaikin.
mereka bilang, di bengkel juga ada kasus serupa, inova d4d automatic tidak mampu ditanjakan..
oh, iya mereka juga kasih mobil pengganti

hopefully, mereka bisa benerin deh....
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mobil penggantinya toyota camry :big_slap:
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bigpanther wrote: tapi feeling saya seh, mgkn di downpipe atw mgkn saluran knalpot yg gw liat di mesin, memang yg ketekuk 90 derajat.
mereka juga gak ungkit soal transmisi..apaplagi kopling
untuk d4d tanpa intercooler, memang pipa knalpot langsung ketekuk 90 derajat setelah turbin karena posisi turbin ada di atas, beda dari yang intercooler di posisi bawah.
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BADAK wrote:mobil penggantinya toyota camry :big_slap:

boro2 camry, cuman di kasik vios taksi...

mau dicoba buat tajakan sarangan tawangmangu...

kalo gak kuat tanjak, gw komplain lagi....

heheheheee...
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yup, bener bro. coba lg ditanjakan, kalo gak kuat mungkin dikasi pinjaman fortuner. wekekeke :big_slap:
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Apakah pernah ada complaint Panther gak kuat nanjak ?
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Profith83 wrote:Apakah pernah ada complaint Panther gak kuat nanjak ?

dgn segala hormat tanpa ada maskud aneh seperti black campaign atw something like that,
gw berasa panther lbh kuat tanjakan di inova.
gw juga pake panther model grand touring 2004 bulan mei 2009 sebelum ganti inova bensin.

panther lbh responsive, gas di injak sedikit, berasa mbl langsung melesat...dan dgn pede masih bisa nyalip kendaraan laen di tanjakan
kalo inova diesel ini, rasanya gas kudu diinjek dalam2 br berasa melesat itu juga loyo bgt...boro2 mao nyelip kendaraan laen..mbl bisa merangkak aja dah bersyukur....