Subaru Impreza WRX vs Honda S2000 vs Lancer Evolution

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:17

Seandainya ketiga jenis mobil berikut ini di-adu head-to-head, siapakah menurut kalian yg bakal keluar sebagai pemenang?

Subaru Impreza WRX vs Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution vs Honda S2000

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:18

Kalo saya sih pegang Honda S2000

mpoezz · Post by **mpoezz** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:02

kemarin one night race evo 8 di bawa thomas djorgi vs impreza kalah evo nya sprint 200m (kalo ngak salah)
waduh bingung nih sama sama bagus mobil nya.

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:05

TO : Cha

Kalo mesinnya standar dan belum di rombak atau di modif, maka pemenangnya adalah sbb :

1> LANCER EVO VIII MR (AWD)
2> SUBARU IMPREZA WRX (AWD)
3> HONDA S2000

Kalo udah dirombak2 mungkin hasil pertandingannya akan laen.

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:15

To : mpoezz

kemarin one night race evo 8 di bawa thomas djorgi vs impreza kalah evo nya sprint 200m (kalo ngak salah)
waduh bingung nih sama sama bagus mobil nya.

Iya tuh ... saat tarikan awalnya sih si EVO VIII yang unggul, tapi ngga lama disusul oleh si Impreza.

Cuma gw rasa yang Impreza itu di tuning lebih baik, bahkan knalpotnya spt meledak2 diiringi sedikit letupan api.

pinoh_boy · Post by **pinoh_boy** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:02

Evo VIIInya kalau ga salah punya sutan djorgi atau thomas djorgi ya!!! g lupa.

Kmrn g juga nonton. Tarikan awal seh menang, tapi setelah itu loyo.

mpoezz · Post by **mpoezz** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:02

iya payah banget tuh malu maluin nama evo aja.
pas start kinclong mobil nya warna kuning lagi.
apakah si joki yang kurang handal

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 23:20

Seandainya ketiga mobil diatas ini sudah di-"permak" dan di-adu head-to-head, maka hasilnya adalah sebagai berikut (menurut hasil test-nya majalah Car and Driver):

Posisi I: Honda S2000
Posisi II: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Posisi III: Subaru Impreza WRX

Untuk lebih detailnya, akan saya post dibawah ini.

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 23:23

3rd Place (4WD)
2003 Cobb Tuning Subaru Impreza WRX

Street drivability:
1/4-mile: 13.7 sec @ 102 mph
Road course: 65.4 sec
130-to-0-mph braking: 592 feet
Total course time: 128.5 sec

How fast do you want to go? How much do you want to spend? Texan Chris Fleming wanted to go really fast, especially around the cones of the SCCA PRO Solo courses he races on. So a substantial wad of his cash landed at Cobb Tuning of Salt Lake City, Utah, and produced the Conebasher, a Cheez Whiz yellow 2003 Subaru Impreza WRX packing a 450-hp turbo 2.5-liter flat-four between hulking IMSA-style sectioned fenders, part of a $10,995 body kit.

Cobb Tuning is a dedicated Subaru shop offering go-faster bits for everything from the WRX to the L.L. Bean Outback. The Conebasher bashed a big swath through the three-year-old company's catalog, starting with a Stage 3 blueprinted and reinforced EJ25 boxer-four featuring custom forged pistons, chrome-moly wrist pins, and billet steel rods. Bolted on top is a Garrett GT30 ball-bearing turbocharger whooshing out 19.0 psi of peak boost through an air-to-air intercooler into the ported DOHC heads and past the nickel-chromium valves with shim-type lifters and high-lift cams.

Traffic-copping all the power to the road are a Suretrac differential up front, a computer-regulated electronic clutch-type center diffÃ¢â‚¬â€the same unit as in the new Impreza WRX STi but without the driver adjustabilityÃ¢â‚¬â€and a Quaife-geared limited slipper in the back. The Cobb has chest-compressing power, reasonable civility, and fearsome grip, although not quite enough to prevent another magazine's editor from totaling the Conebasher against the back of a water truck during a photo shoot last winter. Cobb was able to paste the car back together, but its second life was not without problems.

Fretting over our test's street-drivability rating, Cobb called in a last-minute favor from Subaru and got a slick-shifting six-speed manual from a new WRX STi with the integrated electronic center diff. Trouble was, the electronic brain for controlling the diff didn't arrive in time, so Cobb borrowed one from a rally team. For some reason the loaner wouldn't talk to the Conebasher's new diff, which stayed open for the entire event. In corners, all the power leaked to the rear inside tire, where it dissipated in a cloud of ozone.

The $86,655 Cobb also cooked its clutch and was thus slower up the straightaway than it should have been. It reached 60 mph in 5.1 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.5 at 103 mph on its best run. A stock WRX STi with just 300 horsepower and a $31,520 sticker made 60 mph in 4.6 seconds with a 13.2 quarter at 103 mph in a June comparo ("New-Wave Slingshots"). Like all race cars having a bad day, the Conebasher should have been much faster but instead was just being fussy. Ã¢â‚¬â€Aaron Robinson

Vehicle type: front-engine, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $86,655 (base price*: $83,985)
Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve flat-4, aluminum block and heads, AccessECU reprogrammed Subaru engine controller with port fuel injection
MODS engine/transmission: $30,860; suspension: $4070; brakes: $3000; wheels/tires: $4240; body/interior: $19,040
Displacement 151 cu in, 2482cc
Power (mfr's claim) 450 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque (mfr's claim) 410 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Transmission Subaru Impreza WRX STi 6-speed manual
Front brakes AP Racing 12.9 x 1.5-in vented disc; AP Racing 6-piston caliper
Rear brakes Wilwood 12.2 x 1.5-in vented, grooved disc; Wilwood 4-piston caliper
Brake-pad material, front carbon-metallic
rear carbon-metallic
Wheelbase 99.4 in
Length 173.4 in
Curb weight 3108 lb
Weight distribution, front/rear 58.7/41.3%

*Base price includes all performance-enhancing options.

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 23:26

2nd Place (4WD)
2003 Rhys Millen Racing Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution

Street drivability:
1/4-mile: 13.0 sec @ 105 mph
Road course: 65.2 sec
130-to-0-mph braking: 561 feet
Total course time: 127.8 sec

With rally shogun Rod Millen off building everything from Pikes Peak Toyota Celicas to U.S. Army surveillance vehicles, son Rhys has started a rally-car-prep and street-hop-up business for himself called Rhys Millen Racing in Huntington Beach, California. His entry? A European-spec Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII with Evo VIII bodywork.

"We call it the Millen 7 1/2," says Rhys, eyes a-twinkle, tongue a-glide with the family's trademark Kiwi accent.

The biggest difference between a stock Mitsubishi Evo VIII and Millen's exotic little piece of virtual "unobtanium" is the RMR's electronically controlled center differential, which Mitsubishi's product planners scotched for U.S.-bound Evos to hold down costs. The telltale is the differential computer-map control button to the left of the steering wheel with its three settings: tarmac, gravel, and snow. Most Americans wouldn't know tarmac from talcum.

To make way for the exhaust, RMR removed the VII's other neat traction device, the hydraulic yaw-control rear diff. The front diff is open, so it's fair to say the RMR is mostly a stock Evo VIII, except for the center diff and the engine mods.

Those include a reprogrammed engine-management system that lets boost spike up to 22.0 psi and a billet HKS 272-degree-duration intake cam that fattens the Evo's power in the midrange at the cost of some idle lumpiness. RMR reckons the mods are worth 70 horsepower and 79 pound-feet over stock, or 341 horsepower at 6500 rpm and 352 pound-feet at 3250 rpm. A six-puck heavy-duty clutch with a friction compound formulated to RMR's specs and electronically adjustable shocks, orchestrated by a digital dash controller with a kajillion settings, round out the mods.

No question, the RMR Evo with Millen at the controls is fireball fast. The Evo set the day's best overall 0-to-60 time at 4.1 seconds, the best quarter-mile time at 12.9 seconds, the best road-course time at 64.9 seconds, and the shortest stopping distance from 130 mph of 454 feet. Around town the RMR was less happy, with a loping idle, a jerky clutch, driveline noise, and some head-bobbling engagement from the rear axle. The steering-column boost gauge, neatly integrated into a carbon-fiber pod made by RMR, looked totally pro.

The DOHC 2.0-liter four is tuned to deliver its power in the 5500-to-6000-rpm range, so Millen encouraged short shifting for best acceleration. It seemed unnatural, but nobody could argue with his technique as the Evo went snort-kablap! snort-kablap! up the speedway's straightaway faster than all the other assembled machinery. Ã¢â‚¬â€Aaron Robinson

Vehicle type: front-engine, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $39,672 (base price*: $37,374)
Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve 4-in-line, iron block and aluminum head, Mitsubishi/Power Industries engine-control system with port fuel injection
MODS engine/transmission: $4112; suspension: $2000; wheels: $1700; body/interior: $1818
Displacement 122 cu in, 1997cc
Power (mfr's claim) 341 bhp @ 6500 rpm
Torque (mfr's claim) 352 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
Transmission 5-speed manual
Front brakes stock Brembo 12.7 x 1.3 vented disc; stock Brembo 4-piston caliper
Rear brakes stock Brembo 11.8 x 0.9 vented disc; stock Brembo 2-piston caliper
Brake-pad material, front carbon-metallic
rear carbon-metallic
Wheelbase 103.3 in
Length 178.5 in
Curb weight 3149 lb
Weight distribution, front/rear 60.8/39.2%

*Base price includes all performance-enhancing options.

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 23:29

1st Place (RWD)
2001 Comptech USA Honda S2000

Street drivability:
1/4-mile: 13.3 sec @ 108 mph
Road course: 66.3 sec
130-to-0-mph braking: 530 feet
Total course time: 124.1 sec

In order to finish first, first you must finish. The Comptech USA Honda S2000 certainly did that, burning all its gas without a single burp and creaming the competition by packing grace and haste into a car that feels as thoroughly developed as anything off a factory assembly line. The Comptech boys were all smiles because their 460-hp Acura NSX-T finished a lowly 12th last year against a battalion of big-bore sleds.

This time, Comptech took Honda's hallowed sport bike on four wheels and injected 110 extra horsepower with a Paxton supercharger kit featuring a blower the size of a volleyball. The polished compressor snail snuggles up to the otherwise stock 2.0-liter four on a lovely anodized billet bracket. A glinting aluminum Comptech air-to-liquid intercooler kit pulls out the unwanted BTUs.

The Paxton blows just 7.0 psi of peak boost in deference to the engine's amoeba-flattening 11.0:1 compression ratio. But that and Comptech's moving the VTEC crossover down to about 5200 rpm makes for a nice squirt of torque in the lower rev range where the high-singing S2000 really needs it. And no knocking was observed, even with the pedal floored at low speeds.

The Comptech's 9000-rpm Formula 1 scream and 4.7-second 0-to-60-mph time (0.7 second quicker than a stock S2000 we tested last month) didn't come without some teething pains. Compressor vibrations in early cars eventually led to cracks in the mounting bracket, so the Paxton now rides on rubber bushings and only makes itself known as a faint whine and slight shiver through the gear lever.

Flexing in the stock differential case also caused the lower 4.44:1 limited-slip ring and pinion (the stock gear is 4.10:1) to make an oily exit out the back, so Comptech developed a reinforced billet aluminum pumpkin cover.

The Comptech rides stiffly on its Ãƒâ€“hlins coil-over shocks, which don't much care for California's lumpy concrete interstate. But they ate the speedway road course, contributing to the second fastest time through the lights behind Rhys Millen Racing's Evo. The Comptech then reeled in and passed the Evo with a 9.3-second warp from 100 to 130 mph, the quickest of any car, before shutting it down in 530 feet, second only to the Vishnu Evo. At 124.1 seconds, the S2000's podium course time was 3.7 seconds ahead of runner-up Millen Evo, thanks to harder top-end acceleration and better brakes.

The Comptech's speed and reliability come at a hairy elephant price. After you buy a Honda S2000, figure another $28,081 for all the go-fast goodies and $7565 for the tuner 'toon look, including the hardtop and the Recaro SDG seats. Fortunately, Comptech sells everything ÃƒÂ la carte, and if you can find a better carte, buy it. Ã¢â‚¬â€Aaron Robinson

Vehicle type: front-engine, 2-passenger, 2-door roadster
Price as tested: $68,386 (base price*: $60,821)
Engine type: supercharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve 4-in-line, aluminum block and head, Honda engine-control system with port fuel injection
MODS engine/transmission: $13,668; suspension: $6014; brakes: $3995; wheels/tires: $4404; body/interior: $7565
Displacement 122 cu in, 1997cc
Power (mfr's claim) 350 bhp @ 8800 rpm
Torque (mfr's claim) 210 lb-ft @ 8000 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Front brakes Comptech USA 12.9 x 1.1-in vented, cross-drilled disc; Brembo Indy 4-piston caliper
Rear brakes Comptech USA 12.8 x 0.5-in cross-drilled disc; 1-piston caliper
Brake-pad material, front semimetallic
rear semimetallic
Wheelbase 94.5 in
Length 162.2 in
Curb weight 2833 lb
Weight distribution, front/rear 51.1/48.9%

*Base price includes all performance-enhancing options.

pinoh_boy · Post by **pinoh_boy** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:50

Thank bung cha atas postnya

Mikel · Post by **Mikel** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:20

Wah... Salah satu bukti kalau tenaga mesin dan superioritas teknis bukan jaminan kemenangan dalam balapan. Seharusnya 4WD ngebantai abis semua mobil yang ada di jalanan, apalagi di trek. Liat aja torquenya si Subby... 410 lb-ft!! Dibanding Honda yang cuma setengahnya... Ada pepatah "HP sells cars, torque wins races"... yeah... eat that s**t.

Di kategori FWD, yang menang kalo gak salah Honda juga ya?

handling · Post by **handling** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:17

Saya rasa Lancer nya Sultan J belum di korek, masih standar. soalnya masih kalah dgn mobil lokal yang udah di tune yang bisa mencatat waktu 9an detik.

Sama seperti mobil porsche yang waktu One night Race episode I, Porsche nya malu2in banget cuma 10an detik. Ya menutur saya pasti porsc nya belum di korek habis, alias masih standar....

yang paling hebat nissan skyline pada One night Race episode ke 2 , cuma EEEEEEEE......Naaaaaam .......detik......Gilekan....coba deh banyaingin....

Crash · Post by **Crash** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 15:09

Nah, mate.
iUt kan karena kalah di brakingnya.
Kalo elo liat track time sama 1/4 mile time, itu juga menang.
Lagian, rem yang terlalu kuat jg nggak enak. Corner entry kan juga jadi pelan.

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 15:50

Mikel wrote: Di kategori FWD, yang menang kalo gak salah Honda juga ya?

Wah Mikel, kalo yg di kategori FWD gue kurang tau deh siapa pemenangnya karena gak gue ikuti tuh beritanya.
Coba deh di-post kalo misalnya Mikel ada informasi mengenai pemenangnya di kategori FWD, oke?

edward · Post by **edward** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 18:52

Kenapa tidak ngasih kesempatan padaku buat menjawab?

Dr ketiganya sih saya pasti pilih honda S2000,yg akan menang.

Dan ternyata betul kan?

Tapi subaru juga mobil balap yg heboh.
Kabarnya mobil2 keluaran subaru mau dilengkapi "blackbox" yg mampu mencatat setiap 'tuning' mesin yg dilakukan pada jeroan subaru.

Jadinya disebut box anti tuner......

pinoh_boy · Post by **pinoh_boy** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:36

oooooooooooooooooooooo

Chalupa · Post by **Chalupa** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:50

edward wrote:Kenapa tidak ngasih kesempatan padaku buat menjawab?

Oh iya Edward, memang daku sengaja, hihihihihihi

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:02

Evo VIIInya kalau ga salah punya sutan djorgi atau thomas djorgi ya!!! g lupa.

Kmrn g juga nonton. Tarikan awal seh menang, tapi setelah itu loyo.

Evo VIII warna kuningnya punya Sultan Djorgi. Emang SUBARU WRX nya unggul di tarikan menengah, sedangkan Evo VIII nya cuma tarikan awal aja.

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:18

Seandainya ketiga mobil diatas ini sudah di-"permak" dan di-adu head-to-head, maka hasilnya adalah sebagai berikut (menurut hasil test-nya majalah Car and Driver):

Posisi I: Honda S2000
Posisi II: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Posisi III: Subaru Impreza WRX

Untuk lebih detailnya, akan saya post dibawah ini.

Thanks sebelumnya atas semua postingnya bung cha.

Emang kalo sudah dirombak / dipermak maka hasilnya akan laen, tapi kalo masih dalam keadaan standar hasilnya pasti spt yang gw urutkan di atas. Karena bagaimanapun AWD / 4WD masih lebih unggul disoal traksi.

Kalo sudah dipermak ya tergantung dari para tunernya (makin jago tunernya maka mobil makin cepat). Kalo di Jepang sendiri, EVO VIII HKS no.1 tuh. Yang warnanya hitam dan wide body serta pake GT wing tinggi.

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:24

Wah... Salah satu bukti kalau tenaga mesin dan superioritas teknis bukan jaminan kemenangan dalam balapan. Seharusnya 4WD ngebantai abis semua mobil yang ada di jalanan, apalagi di trek. Liat aja torquenya si Subby... 410 lb-ft!! Dibanding Honda yang cuma setengahnya... Ada pepatah "HP sells cars, torque wins races"... yeah... eat that s**t.

Di kategori FWD, yang menang kalo gak salah Honda juga ya?

Kalo sudah di tuning hasil lomba pasti laen. Spt yang saya katakan sebelumnya ...

Dan benar di kategori FWD S2000 masih unggul di kelasnya (2000cc).

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:33

Saya rasa Lancer nya Sultan J belum di korek, masih standar. soalnya masih kalah dgn mobil lokal yang udah di tune yang bisa mencatat waktu 9an detik.

Sama seperti mobil porsche yang waktu One night Race episode I, Porsche nya malu2in banget cuma 10an detik. Ya menutur saya pasti porsc nya belum di korek habis, alias masih standar....

yang paling hebat nissan skyline pada One night Race episode ke 2 , cuma EEEEEEEE......Naaaaaam .......detik......Gilekan....coba deh banyaingin....

Oh ternyata Evo VIII nya masih standar ya? No Wonder kalo dia kalah.

Yup Skyline nya gile ... kenceng banget ! Dan tuh mobil awal startnya juga ngga ngepot kaya mobil2 laen ... gile !

WP · Post by WP » Sat Sep 18, 2004 14:42

Klau dilihat dari sisi tenaga (horsepower):

1. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII (280hp)
2. Subaru Impreza WRX STi (270hp)
3. Honda S2000 (240hp)
tapi tergantung Power to Weight ratio juga,

1. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII ( 0, 154 hp/kg)
2. Subaru Impreza WRX STi (0,144 hp/kg)
3. Honda S2000 (0,130 HP/kg)

Tapi, Lancer punya beberapa varian yang lebih bertenaga:
1. Mitsubishi RS450 (2001) basisnya Lancer Evolution VI, bermesin 4G63 tapi twin turbo, spek Inggris (450hp).
2. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII FQ330 (2004), Evo VIII yang dimodif Ralliart (330hp) tapi MESIN SAMA DGN Evo VIII biasa, pengembangan dari seri FQ300, spek Inggris.
3. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII FQ300 (2003), Evo VIII hasil modif Ralliart (300hp), spek Inggris.

Lancer2 versi khusus tadi ga diproduksi di Jepang karena adanaya larangan produksi mobil dgn tenaga lebih dari 280hp dan top speed lebih dari 180 km/h.

DigitALL · Post by **DigitALL** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 19:11

Thanks bung WP ... Anda sepertinya Mitsubishi Fans juga ya. Soalnya bung tau banyak ttg Lancer EVO, gw aja ngga tau sebanyak itu. Hehehe ...

Kalo Lancer EVO VIII MR itu HP nya berapa ya? Jadi Evo paling kencang yang pernah dibuat itu ada di generasi keberapa ya ? Thanks be4 !