Toyota sedang mengalami ujian berat - PART 01

[jalu]

kt tunggu reply dari "mascopas".....eh toyotaman...

[asudarsono]

Sabaaaar sabaaaaar. Mau Camry om Fortuner kita kasih tunjuk gimana caranya biar sudden acceleration?

Hitungan saya, saya udah 3 kali mengalami sudden acceleration, dan tidak ada yang pakai mobil bermerk Toyota. Yang pertama terjadi pada ................. Honda bebek C70.

Biasa aja kali. Solusi untuk Toyota juga kalau cuma masalah sekitar throttle by wire sih menurut saya gampang. Apa sih throttle itu? Cuma potensiometer biasa, kayak tombol volume di HU. Mesin cuma satu pula. Kalau di fly by wire penerbangan, mesin ada banyak. Kita masih ingat 1988 ada kecelakaan A320 di Hansheim, Perancis yang jelas2 disebabkan fly by wirenya salah. Setelahnya pun banyak kejadian2 krn pilot error atau maintenance error juga factory error. Tapi semua pabrikan sigap memperbaiki diri kecuali kasus DC-9 jatuh terbakar di OHara, Amerka sehingga akhirnya McD Douglas tutup. Nah, masalah ini kalau di penerbangan baru asyik dibahas secara teknis.

Masalahnya Toyota membiarkan ini berlarut2. Doing too little too late. Akhirnya menjadi blunder PR.

NB : Dulu Audi juga suka ngeluyur sendiri. Biasa aja kali.

[maskopat]

Sabaaaar sabaaaaar. Mau Camry om Fortuner kita kasih tunjuk gimana caranya biar sudden acceleration?

Hitungan saya, saya udah 3 kali mengalami sudden acceleration, dan tidak ada yang pakai mobil bermerk Toyota. Yang pertama terjadi pada ................. Honda bebek C70.

Biasa aja kali. Solusi untuk Toyota juga kalau cuma masalah sekitar throttle by wire sih menurut saya gampang. Apa sih throttle itu? Cuma potensiometer biasa, kayak tombol volume di HU. Mesin cuma satu pula. Kalau di fly by wire penerbangan, mesin ada banyak. Kita masih ingat 1988 ada kecelakaan A320 di Hansheim, Perancis yang jelas2 disebabkan fly by wirenya salah. Setelahnya pun banyak kejadian2 krn pilot error atau maintenance error juga factory error. Tapi semua pabrikan sigap memperbaiki diri kecuali kasus DC-9 jatuh terbakar di OHara, Amerka sehingga akhirnya McD Douglas tutup. Nah, masalah ini kalau di penerbangan baru asyik dibahas secara teknis.

Masalahnya Toyota membiarkan ini berlarut2. Doing too little too late. Akhirnya menjadi blunder PR.

NB : Dulu Audi juga suka ngeluyur sendiri. Biasa aja kali.

hm... ini sudden accel untuk throttle by wire ya Om? gimana caranya?

[toyotaman]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... photovideo


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/ ... 9727.shtml


Out-of-Control Prius Stopped by Patrol Car Evening News March 8, 2010

Frantic Driver Calls 911 When Accelerator Sticks; California Highway Patrol Put Car in Front of Prius to Slow it Down


(CBS) On the very day Toyota was making a high-profile defense of its cars, one of them was speeding out of control.


It was a pretty frightening Monday afternoon for a driver in San Diego. The California Highway Patrol said the driver of a Toyota Prius called 911 around 1:30 p.m. to say the car's accelerator was stuck and he couldn't slow it down.


The caller was driving eastbound on Interstate 8 near San Diego as this was happening, reports CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy. At one point the car was traveling at 90 mph.


The Highway Patrol responded. To get the runaway car to stop, they actually had to put their patrol car in front of the Prius and step on the brakes. The car eventually stopped near La Posta Bridge, but the whole even lasted for about 20 minutes.


California Highway Patrol is planning a news conference to provide more details.

[maskopat]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/ ... ?tag=stack
Ayo ayo...yg dr kemaren nyebarin desas desus sistem elektronik Toyota sbg penyebab kecelakaan - bisa nggak ngelawan professor STANFORD University
Nggak se-dramatis pasang2 foto korban kecelakaan sih

Toyota Fires Away at Acceleration Theory
(CBS/AP) Toyota Motor Corp. staged a demonstration Monday to rebut claims that the electronics of its cars and trucks are to blame for unwanted acceleration problems that are behind the recall of more than eight million vehicles.

Toyota was attempting to counter tests by an Illinois engineering professor who said Toyota engines could rev without a driver pressing on the gas. The automaker says mechanical problems, not electronics, are to blame.

Chris Gerdes, director of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research, and a consulting firm, Exponent Inc., said the professor had tampered with wiring to create electronic glitches that could never occur on the road.

The professor's work "could result in misguided policy and unwarranted fear," Gerdes said.

The work of David W. Gilbert, an automotive technology professor at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale, has been the basis of many doubts that Toyota's mechanical fixes for unwanted acceleration will truly solve the problem.

Nah, so far "bukti" adanya electronic problem di Toyota cuman satu ini. Foto2 org kecelakaan bukan bukti ya om toyotaman Satu2nya bukti ini sudah di lindas.

Apa "bukti" anda berikutnya? Foto2 korban kecelakaan lagi?

Saya gak bilang gak ada masalah elektronik lho...cuman minta bukti teknisnya aja. Foto2 korban kecelakaan bukan bukti teknis lho om klonengan eh...toyotaman
Kalo gigih banget cari2 artikel desas desus, tolong carikan buktinya lagi ya? Copy paste juga gpp kok

apa aja yang dilakukan oleh profesor untuk ngetestnya? membuat short circuit?

[grandscenic]

2010 Mitsubishi Galant Recalled
http://www.ridelust.com/category/mitsubishi/



"There’s been a recall for the 2010 Mitsubishi Galant. If you’ve got one with an auto tranny, the oil cooler pipe assembly may not be thick enough. Corrosion could eat through the pipe, cause a leak, and (potentially) immolate you and your passengers in a fiery ball of death if an ignition source is around. The fact that Mitsubishi is still selling Galants or the fact that they’ve apparently sold 2,307 in the U.S. with automatic transmissions. If you’re one of the owners, you can call Mitsubishi at (800) 222-0037 to get details on the recall."

Galant di US tampangnya Cupu ya...

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Nissan Recall: Brake, Fuel Gauge Problems on 540,000 Vehicles



"Another day, another huge recall from a major manufacturer. Today’s bad news comes from Nissan, who is recalling 540,000 vehicles for issues related to a faulty brake pedal pin assembly and fuel gauge accuracy concerns. In three cases, the brake pedal pin worked loose, causing loss of braking ability. The fuel gauge issue is unrelated to the brake pedal recall, and effects “high mileage” vehicles only. Over time, the accuracy of the fuel gauge declines, which may cause drivers to run out of fuel unexpectedly. Details on the models included after the jump."

[Captivated]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... photovideo


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/ ... 9727.shtml


Out-of-Control Prius Stopped by Patrol Car Evening News March 8, 2010

Frantic Driver Calls 911 When Accelerator Sticks; California Highway Patrol Put Car in Front of Prius to Slow it Down


(CBS) On the very day Toyota was making a high-profile defense of its cars, one of them was speeding out of control.


It was a pretty frightening Monday afternoon for a driver in San Diego. The California Highway Patrol said the driver of a Toyota Prius called 911 around 1:30 p.m. to say the car's accelerator was stuck and he couldn't slow it down.


The caller was driving eastbound on Interstate 8 near San Diego as this was happening, reports CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy. At one point the car was traveling at 90 mph.


The Highway Patrol responded. To get the runaway car to stop, they actually had to put their patrol car in front of the Prius and step on the brakes. The car eventually stopped near La Posta Bridge, but the whole even lasted for about 20 minutes.


California Highway Patrol is planning a news conference to provide more details.

wahhh... mendebarkan, kyk di film2. salut utk polisi amrik
polisi kita bakal bertindak kyk gitu ga ya?

[Captivated]

hehehehe.... klo kita menilai suatu barang itu overpriced dan tdk layak beli, berarti kita sirik tanda tak mampu yak?
buat ane starbuck itu kemahalan, berarti ane ga mampu beli kopi starbuck ya?

[FortunerMan]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/ ... ?tag=stack
Ayo ayo...yg dr kemaren nyebarin desas desus sistem elektronik Toyota sbg penyebab kecelakaan - bisa nggak ngelawan professor STANFORD University
Nggak se-dramatis pasang2 foto korban kecelakaan sih

Toyota Fires Away at Acceleration Theory
(CBS/AP) Toyota Motor Corp. staged a demonstration Monday to rebut claims that the electronics of its cars and trucks are to blame for unwanted acceleration problems that are behind the recall of more than eight million vehicles.

Toyota was attempting to counter tests by an Illinois engineering professor who said Toyota engines could rev without a driver pressing on the gas. The automaker says mechanical problems, not electronics, are to blame.

Chris Gerdes, director of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research, and a consulting firm, Exponent Inc., said the professor had tampered with wiring to create electronic glitches that could never occur on the road.

The professor's work "could result in misguided policy and unwarranted fear," Gerdes said.

The work of David W. Gilbert, an automotive technology professor at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale, has been the basis of many doubts that Toyota's mechanical fixes for unwanted acceleration will truly solve the problem.

Nah, so far "bukti" adanya electronic problem di Toyota cuman satu ini. Foto2 org kecelakaan bukan bukti ya om toyotaman Satu2nya bukti ini sudah di lindas.

Apa "bukti" anda berikutnya? Foto2 korban kecelakaan lagi?

Saya gak bilang gak ada masalah elektronik lho...cuman minta bukti teknisnya aja. Foto2 korban kecelakaan bukan bukti teknis lho om klonengan eh...toyotaman
Kalo gigih banget cari2 artikel desas desus, tolong carikan buktinya lagi ya? Copy paste juga gpp kok

apa aja yang dilakukan oleh profesor untuk ngetestnya? membuat short circuit?

Betul, si professor yg satu dr universitas ntah berantah ngupas2 kabel dan menyambungkan kabel2nya trus di paskan instruksinya dengan instruksi full throttle - jadinya ngebut lah itu mobil. Sudah dibuktikan oleh profesor STANFORD bahwa itu percobaan yg sulit terjadi di dunia nyata. Belum ada scientific proof ttg adanya electronic problem - baik oleh Popular Mechanics, Consumer Reports, NHTSA di investigation terdahulunya...

Kalo kita simak kasus "witch hunt" sudden acceleration yg menimpa Audi dulu...begitu ada laporan di TV...laporan ttg Audi yg nyosor makin sering - ntah sugesti atau orang nyari duit dr lawsuit (oportunis) - padahal akhirnya Audi dinyatakan tidak bersalah.
http://www.automobile.com/audi-investig ... ation.html

Looking to the past to make sense of the present, unintentional acceleration cases became more prevalent after 60 Minutes presented their one-sided coverage (actually 17 minutes of coverage) against the 5000, the A6 predecessor.

If youre not familiar with the 60 Minutes feature, it featured a variety of “victims” including one distressed mother, Kristi Bradosky, who had unintentionally killed her six year old son Joshua when her “foot slipped off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal accelerating the auto,” according to a statement taken by Canton, Ohio police officer Steven Zerby. Of course, the 60 Minutes episode that initially ran on November 23, 1986, titled “Out of Control,” and then ran again on September 13, 1987, declined to mention the police report, but rather took an excerpt that featured Mrs. Bradosky stating she had only pressed the brake.

[asudarsono]

Sabaaaar sabaaaaar. Mau Camry om Fortuner kita kasih tunjuk gimana caranya biar sudden acceleration?

Masalahnya Toyota membiarkan ini berlarut2. Doing too little too late. Akhirnya menjadi blunder PR.

NB : Dulu Audi juga suka ngeluyur sendiri. Biasa aja kali.

hm... ini sudden accel untuk throttle by wire ya Om? gimana caranya?

It's only a potensiometer, bro.

[mintblue]

Masalahnya Toyota membiarkan ini berlarut2. Doing too little too late. Akhirnya menjadi blunder PR.

NB : Dulu Audi juga suka ngeluyur sendiri. Biasa aja kali.

masalahnya ini kebetulan berbarengan sama ekonomi amrik lagi hancur2an, oom...
tingkat pengangguran nyaris 10%, jagoan2 otomotif amerika berguguran, showroom2 tutup.
eh, ini ada jagoan jepang kok tenang2 aja jualannya

pendapat saya, kualitas mobil tidak terlalu beda jauh antara satu pabrikan dgn pabrikan lain.
yang lebih penting justru perlindungan pemerintah terhadap konsumen, kalau ada kasus2 cacat produksi. daripada menyalahkan industrinya, mending kita mendesak pihak2 berwajib supaya kepentingan konsumen didulukan kalau ada kasus2 serupa ini.

[FortunerMan]

hehehehe.... klo kita menilai suatu barang itu overpriced dan tdk layak beli, berarti kita sirik tanda tak mampu yak?
buat ane starbuck itu kemahalan, berarti ane ga mampu beli kopi starbuck ya?

Bukan, ente mau bilang kemahalan kemurahan terserah masing2 - ane juga bilang kemahalan dan lebih doyan kopi hitam warung2, bukan berarti yg beli kopi starbuck otomatis kemakan merek, tidak smart, gak tau kopi, dll. Overpriced buat si A bukan berarti overpriced buat semua orang, pertimbangan org lain lain.

Contohnya si barryaje yg bilang pembeli Innova pembeli mobil yg tidak SMART, tapi pembeli Trajet seperti dia = SMART

[toyotaman]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 035846.ece

'Smoking gun' reveals Toyota struck US deal over recall


Toyota has been caught heartily congratulating itself for saving millions of dollars by avoiding investigations into accelerator defects.


In an internal presentation, the company’s safety division boasted that it had struck a “winning” deal with American road safety regulators that saved the company $100 million and avoided a costly and embarrassing vehicle recall.


The revelations, which appear in a ten-page internal Toyota document, deepen suspicions that the world’s biggest carmaker may have deliberately played down the extent of safety problems with its cars.


The Japanese company, whose president, Akio Toyoda, flew to the United States yesterday for a congressional cross-examination on Wednesday, has been at pains to describe itself as primarily concerned with customer safety ahead of profits – a claim that analysts in Tokyo believe is becoming harder to justify.


The 2007 deal described in the management presentation document is linked to the same “sticky” accelerator problems that have been blamed for 34 deaths on American roads.


The presentation was made at Toyota’s Washington office last July just a month before US regulators had begun to link Toyota accelerator issues to more than a dozen deaths.


In September a California highway patrol officer and his family were killed in an accident allegedly caused by a jammed accelerator pedal.


Analysts are only beginning to calculate the potential cost of Toyota’s safety issues: some believe that the crisis may cost the company more than $6 billion in lost sales, idled production facilities and class-action litigation.


The revelations from the presentation document are expected to prove highly damaging to Toyota as it seeks to defend itself against allegations of a cover-up.


In addition to the $100 million saved through the deal over “unintended acceleration” problems, the presentation also crowed over $124 million and 50,000 man hours saved because new safety regulations allowed the company to phase in side airbags.


The company also said that it had saved $11 million by delaying a rule that would have demanded stronger door locks.


But the most damaging part of the presentation is likely to be the financial savings made over a pedal-related recall in 2007 that turned out to be far cheaper than expected.

[FortunerMan]

Ha ha ha...di ulang ulang bukan berarti makin banyak beritanya om toyotaman - ini udah di bahas di 3 halaman sebelumnya

Yg baru dong om toyotaman...kalo bisa yg bukti teknis gitu...

[datsu]

hush oom FM.. namanya juga klonengan.. beritanya di kloneng2 mulu...

[toyotaman]

http://www.detiknews.com/read/2010/03/0 ... bermasalah

Kecelakaan Maut di Rasuna Said
Polda Duga Kondisi Pedal Gas Toyota RAV4 Bermasalah
E Mei Amelia R - detikNews


Pagar Rumah Jebol Diterjang Mobil Jakarta - Kepolisian menduga penyebab kecelakaan maut di Jl Rasuna Said-Latuharhary, Jakarta Pusat, akibat kondisi mobil yang bermasalah. Pedal gas mobil Toyota RAV4 yang ditumpangi 5 pelajar itu tidak berfungsi dengan baik.


"Ini memang sedang kita teliti. Kemungkinan yang bermasalah adalah pedal gas, kalu pedal remnya tidak bermasalah," kata Kepala Seksi Kecelakaan Direktorat Lalu Lintas Polda Kompol Ruswandi saat dihubungi wartawan, Senin (8/3/2010).


Menurut Ruswandi, pedal rem tidak bermasalah karena adanya bekas pengereman mobil hingga 17 meter dari akselerasi percepatan hingga perlambatan. Dari jalan lurus itu, kecepatan mobil diperkirakan di atas 100 km/jam.


"Dia ngerem dia kaget, gasnya nggak balik lagi. Setelah kita cek di beberapa situs mobil tersebut memang ada masalah. Tapi kenapa pihak Astra tidak menariknya," jelasnya.


Kejadian serupa, kata Ruswandi, pernah terjadi juga di kawasan Puncak, Bogor, Jawa Barat. Saat itu pedal gas mobil dengan jenis yang sama tidak bisa berfungsi.


"Nah, di Puncak juga pernah kejadian yang sama dengan mobil yang sama. setelah diperiksa oleh pihak bengkel, memang gasnya tidak balik lagi. Nanti akan kita mintai keterangan sebagai saksi ahli," tutupnya.


Kecelakaan maut itu terjadi pada Jumat 26 Februari sekitar pukul 23.00 WIB. Mobil Toyota RAV4 bernopol B 8095 NL yang ditumpangi 5 remaja itu mengarah dari jalan layang Kuningan menuju Jalan Latuharhary, Jakarta Pusat.


Saat membelok, kendaraan tersebut menghantam pembatas jalan hingga akhirnya mobil tersebut terhempas. Rio Hartanto (18), pengemudi mobil tersebut tewas seketika setelah sebelumnya tubuh Rio tersangkut di balkon rumah pejabat Departemen Agama di samping restoran Izzi Pizza.


Nikita Putri (17) dan Alvin Januar Tantriyadi (17) juga ikut tewas. Sementara 2 teman lainnya, Nicolas dan Lisya, terakhir mengalami kritis.


Presdir PT Toyota-Astra Motor Johnny Darmawan ketika dikonfirmasi hal ini menuturkan pihak kepolisian sebaiknya meminta pendapat dari kalangan importir umum atau IU. Toyota-Astra Motor menurut Johnny tidak mengimpor mobil tersebut.


"Polisi sebaiknya menanyakan hal itu kepada importir umum, karena RAV4 kan bukan kita yang menjual, tapi para importir umum, salah alamat kalau bertanya kepada kami," ujarnya.


RAV4 yang merupakan mobil SUV itu memang masuk ke Indonesia melalui jalur importir umum dan bukan melalui Agen Tunggal Pemegang Merek (ATPM) resmi Toyota yakni PT Toyota-Astra Motor. (mad/gah)

[datsu]

gw rasa udah saatnya moderator bertindak.. berita yang sama persis di kopas dua kali.... ngejar postingan banyak apa ya?

[maskopat]

gw rasa udah saatnya moderator bertindak.. berita yang sama persis di kopas dua kali.... ngejar postingan banyak apa ya?

kayaknya gak deh.. emang persis sama?
biarin aja om, malah asik, lebih seru... setidaknya ane gak susah lagi cari berita tentang kecelakaan toyota...

kan asik, tret ini jadi resume berita.. tinggal klik tret ini, dapet deh info2nya... tinggal cari mitsubishiman, fordman, hondagirl, nissanboy dan manman...

[Abu2]

asiiikk, akhirnya ada kopas-an berbahasa indonesia, biar ane gak pusing bacanya.......

[Abu2]

gw rasa udah saatnya moderator bertindak.. berita yang sama persis di kopas dua kali.... ngejar postingan banyak apa ya?

kayaknya gak deh.. emang persis sama?
biarin aja om, malah asik, lebih seru... setidaknya ane gak susah lagi cari berita tentang kecelakaan toyota...

kan asik, tret ini jadi resume berita.. tinggal klik tret ini, dapet deh info2nya... tinggal cari mitsubishiman, fordman, hondagirl, nissanboy dan manman...

gimana kalo kita tambah satu lagi, SLEMAN.....khusus untuk maniaknya SL....

[datsu]

ahahaha.. iya tuh.. jadi "maskopas SLeman"... qeqeqe..

@maskopat: berita yang RAV4 ini udah ada.. gw gak inget siapa yg ngeluarin, kalo gak si klonengan kalo gak nick aslinya..
pembunuhan karakter yg gak ngefek sih emang... tp berita yang sama diulang2 di berbagai thread aja udah salah, apalagi di dalam 1 thread...

[maskopat]

ahahaha.. iya tuh.. jadi "maskopas SLeman"... qeqeqe..

@maskopat: berita yang RAV4 ini udah ada.. gw gak inget siapa yg ngeluarin, kalo gak si klonengan kalo gak nick aslinya..
pembunuhan karakter yg gak ngefek sih emang... tp berita yang sama diulang2 di berbagai thread aja udah salah, apalagi di dalam 1 thread...

jadi kepikiran nih... andaikan emang terbukti karena masalah pedal rem yang harus direcall.
1. recallnya gimana ya di indonesia? kan RAV4 gak dimasukin oleh TAM. kalo kita sebagai pengguna RAV4 mau perbaiki gimana ya?
2. apakah toyota pusat bisa nge-push TAM untuk recall RAV4 ini? karena TAM adalah "kepanjangan tangan" toyota pusat.
3. bisa kah kecelakaan ini menjadi "tanggung jawab" TAM? yang jelas sih tanggung jawab toyota pusat..

mohon maaf sebelumnya, ini tidak bermaksud mendeskreditkan toyota dan RAV5. sebenernya hal ini akan berpengaruh juga untuk mobil yang masuk dari IU dan ada ATPMnya di indonesia.

mohon sharingnya...

[datsu]

IMHO, kalau mobil yang dijual ATPM di recall, pastinya ATPM indo itu lah yang ngeluarin biaya recallnya.
Nah, kalo kasus RAV4 direcall, mungkin akan tetap oleh TAM, tapi pastinya atas perintah TMC dan dengan beban biaya TMC.. TAM hanya akan jadi pelaksana jika diminta ama pusatnya.. CMIIW ya guys..

tapi kalo buat RAV5 gw gak tau oom kopat... barangnya aja gw gak tau ada apa gak RAV5.. hahaha...

[maskopat]

IMHO, kalau mobil yang dijual ATPM di recall, pastinya ATPM indo itu lah yang ngeluarin biaya recallnya.
Nah, kalo kasus RAV4 direcall, mungkin akan tetap oleh TAM, tapi pastinya atas perintah TMC dan dengan beban biaya TMC.. TAM hanya akan jadi pelaksana jika diminta ama pusatnya.. CMIIW ya guys..

tapi kalo buat RAV5 gw gak tau oom kopat... barangnya aja gw gak tau ada apa gak RAV5.. hahaha...

yee.. salah ketik om.. RAV4 maksudnye...
sorri...

[asudarsono]

Makanya belilah dari ATPM. Lambo aja bisa dibeli dari ATPM.

Ini tret udah jadi klan Toyota vs Mitsu - Nissan ya? Walau Subaru udah nenen ke 3 oval, aku gak ikut2an lho ya. Cuma sudden acceleration aja, gampang cara benerinnya.

BTW, kalau bisa janganlah pancing2 pejabat publik bikin komen yg simpang siur. Carilah info yang betul. Ini Detik emang kadang gimana gitu lho. ABS bro, ABS. Emang bisa saja ABS meninggalkan jejak rem, cuma kalau ada yg bisa ngukur, saya baru tahu krn yg saya tahu jejaknya di stage awal dan intermittent.