Grand Vitara 2.4

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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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Monocoque, from Greek for single (mono) and French for shell (coque), is a construction technique that supports structural load by using an object's external skin as opposed to using an internal frame or truss that is then covered with a non-load-bearing skin. Monocoque construction was first widely used in aircraft in the 1930s. Structural skin or Stressed skin are another terms for the same concept.

Unibody, or unitary construction, is a related construction technique for automobiles in which the body is integrated into a single unit with the chassis rather than having a separate body-on-frame. The welded "Unit Body" is the predominant automobile construction technology today.
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Iya, tau...udah di ulang 10 kali. Nggak ngerti juga itu ngejelasin hal yang sama? Cuman menceritakan asal usulnya di dunia pesawat - nah di dunia otomotif di namakan Unibody - dan kedua istilah ini sering digunakan interchangeably. Mengerti? Di bayar brp nih gue kasi les bahasa bule lol...

Nih tak kasi lagi, biar tuntas

http://wikicars.org/en/Monocoque

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style

Cukup?
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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FortunerMan wrote:Gimana? Emang cuman satu sumber info di internet :e-wall: Gawat...

Monocoque (French for "single shell") or unibody is a construction technique that utilizes the external skinning of an object to form some, or most, of the structure. This is as opposed to using an internal framework that is then covered with a non-structural skinning. Monocoque construction was first widely used in aircraft, starting in the 1930s.
Ada ribuan info lainnya di internet...mau? :e-snooty:
Mending situ belajar nge-google dulu lol...
info itu tahun berapa...mana lebih ke aircraft.

yg disini update 18 april 2009...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque
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Unibody, or unitary construction, is a related construction technique for automobiles in which the body is integrated into a single unit with the chassis rather than having a separate body-on-frame.

"integrated into" (digabungkan) dan "with" (dengan) itu udah jelas.
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Unibody, or unitary construction, is a related construction technique for automobiles in which the body is integrated into a single unit with the chassis rather than having a separate body-on-frame.

"integrated into" (digabungkan) dan "with" (dengan) "than" (daripada) "separate" (terpisah); itu udah jelas.
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Jadi yang gak jelas apa (mulai capek nih, gampangan ngasitau sepupu gue umur 5 thn)
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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Waduh, diskusinya jadi panjang nih ttg chassis hehe :D
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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Bener ini..

[quote=”GTR”]
Monocoque seperti di CRV Xtrail RAV4 dll, termasuk juga yg bukan basis sedan seperti touareg, dll; lengan2 suspensi diikat langsung ke monocoque (maupun yg sedikit terpisah) melalui sub-frame kecil contoh seperti pada rear suzuki aerio or sebagian sedan eropa.
Unibody itu ladder yg "ditempel"/dilas langsung menyatu dengan body (ga bisa dipisah) seperti di GV or taruna, keliatan di kolongnya, tidak seperti body-on-frame yg full-size & terpisah, disatukan dengan dibaut & dengan bantalan bushing2 karet.
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Ini yg benar...
Secara garis besar frame mobil ada 3 macam:
1. Pure monokok/unibody: frame sedan ("SUV" yg pake frame ini misalnya sebangsa harrier dan CRV alias cuma sedan yg ditinggiin). Mereka sebenernya gak punya "chassis" tsb, chassis mereka adalah keseluruhan struktur kerangka mobil, mungkin termasuk platform dasarnya jg kali CMIIW.
2. Body on Frame: sering juga disebut frame truk (SUV yg pake frame ini misalnya sebangsa Fortuner dan Pathfinder). "Chassis" yg dimaksud disini adalah ladder framenya (besi yg berbentuk C) yg memanjang dari depan ke belakang tempat dudukan bodi mobil. Kalo bro maskopat bayangin sebuah truk, maka karakteristik2 truk bisa ditemukan di mobil2 jenis ini misal: lebih berat sehingga gak lincah/agile, mungkin juga lebih mahal karena biaya produksi lebih mahal, tapi kebagusannya adalah bisa haul lebih banyak beban, kapasitas narik/tow lebih gede, dll.......kaya truk lah pokoknya. Biasanya platform mobil2 body on frame adalah frame nya sendiri karena ladder framenya berfungsi sebagai wadah "penyambung" bagian atas dan bawah mobil.
3. Kombinasi keduanya: Teknologi ini lebih baru dari body on frame. Namanya juga beda2 tergantung pabrikan masing2. Ambil contoh punyanya frame Land Rover Discovery yg disebut Integrated Body Frame (IBF) yg mengkombinasi kedua jenis frame diatas, artinya ada bbrp part mobil yg dibikin sebagai monokok, ada juga bbrp part lain yg ditempel ke ladder frame. Kombinasi ini (integrate (bukan nempelin) frame/besi pada kerangka unibody) juga diterapkan pada banyak SUV2 monokok yg punya kemampuan off road diatas rata2 spt misalnya jeep cherokee. Jadi mobil2 ini walaupun masuk kategori SUV monokok, tapi bukan pure monokok seperti "sedan" di CRV/harrier.
Udah jelas dimana mana, hebat masih ngeyel!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style
Monocoque, or unibody construction, in which the "chassis" is part of, and integrated with the metal body. It provides support to all the mechanical components, as well as protection for the vehicle occupants. Although there is no separate complete frame or chassis, many monocoque/unibody designs now often include subframes. Steel monocoque construction is now the most common form of car bodywork, although aluminum and carbon fiber may also be used.
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/com ... rison_test
"Among our soft-roaders, only the Jeep and the Suzuki felt genuinely trucklike, partly because both employ extra buttressing
in their unibody construction."

= in their monocoque construction?
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referensinya mantep2...
tapi ini sedang bahas apaan ya? apa ada yg salah, mau ngasih tau apaaan? jd binun..

kalo ane rangkum dari ref yg ada, jenis chasis ada
1. monokok
2.ladderframe
3.body on Frame.

masing2 produsen punya sebutan msg utk rangka mereka

suzy memakai bahasa Monocoque Bodi with Built-in Ladder Frame utk rangka GV

nah tinggal di golongkan aja sesuai 3 poin di atas...kalo jenis chasis msh ada yg kurang, silahkan di tambahkan..masukkan jenis/merk mobil nya jk diperlukan..


nah, skrng, ini lagi bahas apa? mau bilangin apa? koq jd ada yg bener ada yg salah...kayaknya ref nya bener semua tuh..
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Unibody construction....
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@Abu2,

1. Monokok/Unibody (ini yg ini org kaga ngerti2...padahal udah referensi seribu biji)...ngotot monokok dan unibodi itu beda lol...
2. Body on frame/ladder frame
3. Campuran

GV itu jenis no.3, dia dasarnya monokok/unibody pake platform GM theta (kaya Captiva), tapi di perkuat pake komponen2 ladder frame, jadi termasuk ketegori no.3 (campuran)...makanya dia kendaraan offroad yg ok punya (kuat), tp punya kegesitan mobil monokok/unibody.

Ini penjelasan dr Suzuki India ttg kategori "campuran" ini...
http://www.grandvitaraindia.com/safe.html
Grand Vitara’s unique monocoque body structure with built-in ladder frame combines the best of both technologies giving the vehicle greater stability with enhanced rigidity at high speeds under all driving conditions.
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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alamak... hanya beda di pemahaman kata aja... :e-doh: , ya mau di bahas lagi , lanjut, asal jgn sampe keluar komen yg gak waras ya, karena RSJ lagi penuh neh...:big_peace:

padahal semua pasti setuju bahwa GV itu adalah memakai konstruksi campuran (monokok dgn built in ladder frame)
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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mantab2 nih referensi nya..heheheh
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frank wrote:mana nih om momod....panggilan.. panggilan...
Debat sih biasa...saya ama si GTR juga sering debat biasa aja, yg lucu ini nuduh saya menyebar info bohong ttg jenis2 chassis. Ajaib banget nih org, ngapain juga gue ngibulin orang, pegawai Suzuki bukan...sales bukan.
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hehehe..santai bro fortunerman dan bro frank,.,,,u guys knowledge nya mantab2 koq:):)
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Gw bingung jadinya. Urusan chassis jadi panjang banget.

Disini discussnya jangan chassis aja ya. Orang indo ga akan nyari chassis aja.

Pengetahuan dari bos fortunerman or frank memang sudah OK koq. Tapi saya rasa, kalau mau discuss chassis, disini bukan tempatnya. Disini kan mau discuss tentang GV 2.4.

Tolong jangan diperpanjang lagi(saya tidak menyalahkan kedua belah pihak)

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^^ Setuju nih sama bro Naldo.

Knowledge dan referensinya ttg chassis memang mantap2 :big_peace: , tapi lebih baik kita kembali diskusi ke mobilnya, GV 2.4 baru :)
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om naldo, boleh tau bocoran/info tentang improvement yg dilakukan suzy thd kaki2 GV 2.4 ini apa aja ya?

bbrp waktu lalu sempat nanya ke sales person , bahwa part number utk per dan SA masih sama ama yg tipe 2.0..
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Saya penasaran sama audionya, denger2 udah 7 speakers ya dengan woofer yg katanya ada diatas HU :)
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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Kalo 3 klasifikasi masing2 seperti ini :
FortunerMan wrote:@Abu2,

1. Monokok/Unibody (ini yg ini org kaga ngerti2...padahal udah referensi seribu biji)...ngotot monokok dan unibodi itu beda lol...
2. Body on frame/ladder frame
3. Campuran

GV itu jenis no.3, dia dasarnya monokok/unibody pake platform GM theta (kaya Captiva), tapi di perkuat pake komponen2 ladder frame, jadi termasuk ketegori no.3 (campuran)...makanya dia kendaraan offroad yg ok punya (kuat), tp punya kegesitan mobil monokok/unibody.
Dan ternyata dari pak Abu2, nangkepnya beda:
Abu2 wrote:referensinya mantep2...
tapi ini sedang bahas apaan ya? apa ada yg salah, mau ngasih tau apaaan? jd binun..

kalo ane rangkum dari ref yg ada, jenis chasis ada
1. monokok
2.ladderframe
3.body on Frame.


nah, skrng, ini lagi bahas apa? mau bilangin apa? koq jd ada yg bener ada yg salah...kayaknya ref nya bener semua tuh..
Anda bilang :
FortunerMan wrote:gampangan ngasitau sepupu gue umur 5 thn)
FortunerMan wrote:gampangan ngasitau sepupu gue umur 5 thn)
FortunerMan wrote:gampangan ngasitau sepupu gue umur 5 thn)
Saya, Pak Abu2, Pak GTR, dll = apa ??? anak dibawah 5 tahun / balita?
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FortunerMan wrote: 1. Monokok/Unibody (ini yg ini org kaga ngerti2...padahal udah referensi seribu biji)...ngotot monokok dan unibodi itu beda lol...
Atau kalo dari statement anda, mokokok - unibody ga beda, berarti dibilang:
Ceria = unibody
Vios = unibody
City = unibody
RX-8 = unibody
Audi R8 = unibody
Lamborghini = unibody
Porsche = unibody
Ferrari = unibody
Dst
dst
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Re: Grand Vitara 2.4

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tanya lagi neh, karena blm mencicip TD..
http://autos.okezone.com/index.php/Read ... -tapi-loyo


Ada delay beberapa detik akselerasi saat pedal kami injak dengan kerja mesin menyentuh rpm tinggi. Sangat mengganggu.

Tenaga baru keluar beberapa saat setelah saya menahan posisi kaki kanan dipedal gas dalam kondisi injak penuh. Menggelikan memang, sebuah SUV dengan kapasitas mesin yang cukup mumpuni secara matematis, yakni 2.400 cc DOHC VVT 16 valve, namun boyo untuk diajak berakselerasi di putaran awal.

Beberapa mobil dengan cc mesin di bawah ini saja bisa melakukan tugas sempurna baik di putaran bawah maupun diputaran atas. Walau demikian, boleh diakui, ketika rpm telah lewat dari angka 4.000, tenaga 2.4L-nya langsung melonjak. Sayang kami tidak bisa terlalu lama menahan dalam kondisi seperti itu. Sebab situasi jalan siang itu sangat padat.
nah di quote tsb di sebutkan boyo karena delay bbrp detik pd saat akselerasi
sebenarnya ini boyo karena delay pd TBW, ato memang power bandnya ada di RPM atas yah?sehingga rpm bawah seperti biasa aja..