Sedan-Sedan Tahun '90

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Re: Sedan-Sedan Tahun '90

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klo yang akhir '90-an ane juga demen banget yang ini

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Pilarless juga lho....Ini masuk resmi lewat ATPM kah? Pernah liat iklannya mobkas-nya di AutoDepo....
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diamente gak masuk melalui ATPM...
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Absolutely gak pernah. :big_slap: Pillarless? Kek Nissan.. Ummmmmm.. Aduduh Nissan apaan yak yang 4 pintu rada mewah itu, pillarless?

Hadehhhh pikun sangat seeeeeeeeeehhhh?!?! :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
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FortunerMan wrote:Kalo BMW udah pake sayap jemuran di thn 70an, ngapain dia ngetawain 190 yg make sayap jemuran di tahun 80an? Berarti BMW udah tau ttg sayap jemuran begituan (dan make sendiri juga), ngapain ngatawain? Ceritanya aneh kaya dibikin-bikin.
Nope, gak dibikin2. Tar ane cariin linknya lagi, baru kemaren refresh memory ane baca2 lagi soal sayap jemuran Evolution II, lengkap kok sampe NAMA ENGINEER BMW yang ngetawain itu disebut jelas. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sabar, bongkar2 bookmark dolo........... :ngacir:.... :ngacir:....... Yang pasti bukan di Wiki kok..... :big_weee:
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FortunerMan wrote:Kalo BMW udah pake sayap jemuran di thn 70an, ngapain dia ngetawain 190 yg make sayap jemuran di tahun 80an? Berarti BMW udah tau ttg sayap jemuran begituan (dan make sendiri juga), ngapain ngatawain? Ceritanya aneh kaya dibikin-bikin.
Nope, gak dibikin2. Tar ane cariin linknya lagi, baru kemaren refresh memory ane baca2 lagi soal sayap jemuran Evolution II, lengkap kok sampe NAMA ENGINEER BMW yang ngetawain itu disebut jelas. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sabar, bongkar2 bookmark dolo........... :ngacir:.... :ngacir:....... Yang pasti bukan di Wiki kok..... :big_weee:
ane bantu om...
http://www.uniquecarsmag.com.au/news-an ... 73281.aspx
“It looks like it’s got antlers on its arse,” sneered Audi boss, Ferdinand Piech, at the Evo’s Geneva launch. Unsurprisingly, BMW’s chief engineer, Wolfgang Reitzle, wasn’t much impressed either. “It's totally stupid, the laws of aerodynamics must be different between Munich and Stuttgart. If that rear wing works, we’ll have to redesign our windtunnel," he allegedly sniffed, having previously denied requests from his own engineers to develop a similar wing for the M3.
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Dipikir aja sendiri...thn 70an BMW udah pake wing jemuran. Thn 80 Benz make kok diketawain. Gak masuk akal...kayanya bualan fanboy Merc aja :mrgreen:

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Uda dapet........... :big_weee:

CHIEF ENGINEER BMW tuh yang ngetawain...... :wkkk:

Wolfgang Reitzle, om......... :big_weee:

http://www.uniquecarsmag.com.au/news-an ... 73281.aspx

Dan beberapa link lain 'coz ane ingetnya bukan ini yang ane baca.

Masih ada bantahan? :mrgreen:

“It looks like it’s got antlers on its arse,” sneered Audi boss, Ferdinand Piech, at the Evo’s Geneva launch. Unsurprisingly, BMW’s chief engineer, Wolfgang Reitzle, wasn’t much impressed either. “It's totally stupid, the laws of aerodynamics must be different between Munich and Stuttgart. If that rear wing works, we’ll have to redesign our windtunnel," he allegedly sniffed, having previously denied requests from his own engineers to develop a similar wing for the M3.

But the wing did work. As did the rest of the car, and rather well too – much to Reitzler’s later annoyance. :mrgreen: It may have looked like some kind of whacky concept car, but the Evo II was no show pony. Quite the opposite, in fact, for it had been ruthlessly developed for one thing, and one thing only: to beat the M3 and win the German Touring Car Championship (DTM).

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Eh uda dibantu om Kopat tho cini-cini om MUAAAAAAAAAAAACHH.... Pffffftttt, kok bau asem?!?!

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Bantahannya udah ada di thn 1973

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gak kalah jeleknya tuh wing jemuran :mrgreen: lebaynya fanboy Merc kaya yg pertama pake wing jemuran aja :wkkk:
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Lhah kok mbulet?

Intinya:

1) Ane bilang sayap Evo II ini diketawain engineer BMW.

2) Ente bilang, story (soal BMW ngetawain) ini gak bener. Ternyata bener kan?

Ya udah, SELESAI, apa lagi yang mo ane buktiin? :mrgreen: perkara BMW uda pake dari taun 73 lalu mereka kok ngetawain, justru makin menunjukkan keanehan mereka bukan? :mrgreen: Dia uda pake duluan, kok ngetawain?

:wkkk:

Intinya, kan TERBUKTI bahwa BMW ngetawain sayap jemuran Evo II. BUKAN karangan ANE.

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Re: Sedan-Sedan Tahun '90

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Ini siapa ngetawain siapa sih ? :wkkk:
Bukannya benar, Chief Eng BMW yg ngetawain Evo.. padahal mereka jg sudah pake sebelumnya.. gitu ya ?
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Ente juga bilang, wind tunnel BMW di rancang ulang gara2 sayap jemuran Evo ini :wkkk: ngapain? Dipikir aja sendiri. BMW udah pake sayap beginian dr thn 70an...
Yg ane ketawa fanboy ngerasa wing jemuran begini hebat bener dan karya besar Merc...padahal udah rame yg make...
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Bukan ane yang bilang om. Majalah2 luar yang bilang gitu. Kalo om tetap berkeras bahwa BMW uda pake duluan (which they DID) dan berita soal BMW ngetawain dan wind tunnel itu = HOAX, yasud ane no komeng.

Biar yang lain menilai, siapa yang mislead.

:mrgreen:

Simpel aja kan ini sebenarnya awal 'kasus' nya:

Om bilang ane NGARANG CERITA soal BMW ngetawain, ane BANTAH dengan bukti.

Done.

Edited. Soal ngerasa hebat? Ane CUMAN JAWAB pertanyaan om Esh.... Dia bilang sayap itu JELEK, ane jawab sambil ketawa YA JELEK, tapi didesign dengan matang oleh professor dan itu berfungsi.

Yang bilang hebat siapa?

Yang bilang ini karya besar siapa?

JANGAN MELEBAR LAAAAAAAAAAAAAA........... :wkkk:
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Saya gak bilang ENTE yg ngarang, ente cuman copy paste (sepertinya) bualan fanboy Merc aja :mrgreen:

BMW, redesign wind tunnelnya? kenapa wind tunnelnya yg diredesign ulang...mestinya MOBILNYA lah yg di redesign ulang :mrgreen:
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FortunerMan wrote:Saya gak bilang ENTE yg ngarang, ente cuman copy paste (sepertinya) bualan fanboy Merc aja :mrgreen:
Dan ternyata BUKAN BUALAN fanboy Mercs, bukan?

DONE.

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FortunerMan wrote:BMW, redesign wind tunnelnya? kenapa wind tunnelnya yg diredesign ulang...mestinya MOBILNYA lah yg di redesign ulang :mrgreen:
Gak tau om, ane bukan ahli aerodinamika. yang bilang bukan ane, yang bilang sumber2 luar yang valid.

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Makanya om, jangan percaya gitu aja omongan fanboy luar.

Liat faktanya juga. Thn 1973 BMW udah pake wing jemuran. Wind tunnel ya begitu2 aja - yg dirubah mobilnya, bukan wind tunnelnya. Dari situ kan udah agak mencurigakan "sumber2 valid" ente :wkkk:
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Yasud, kek ane udah bilang, terserah om, no further komeng laaaaaaa kalo sumber2 luar yang ane percaya kredibel mo om patahkan TANPA data pembanding yang SAMA KUATNYA.

SEMATA BANTAHAN HANYA BERDASAR ASUMSI DAN LOGIKA PRIBADI ANDA OM.

Eh, sumber2 ane bukan blog2 Mercedes loh om. Bukan privateer fanboy Mercs. Itu mostly media2 luar yang ngomong.

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Terserah deh om, member yang lain bisa menilai kok, siapa yang bener dan siapa yang sulit banget untuk ngakuin fakta apa adanya walau uda disodorin bukti.........

Silakan................. :)

Ini reply ane trakir soal jemuran Evo dan 'berbalas pantun' yang berentetan di belakangnya hehehe...... Kasian member lain liat debat yang sebenernya gak terlalu perlu ini. :)
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Wind tunnel gak ikut balapan lho....MOBILNYA yg ikut balapan. Kok wind tunnelnya yg dirubah? :mrgreen:
BMW udah pake wing jemuran dr thn 70an - lucu amat ngetawain org lain make wing jemuran juga.

Belajar kritis thd bacaan yg ada di hadapan kita om :)
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:e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle:

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Mahal benerrrrrr untuk ukuran mobil taun segini, yah tapi toh laku juga, apa mo dikata kalo barang collectible lalu ketemu orang yang ngerti+berduit+lagi sakauw nyari, mampus dah 300 jeti++ disikat.

W201 190E 2.5-16 1989, unit beredar diperkirakan belasan di Indo, total diperkirakan 30an bila ditambah ama yang mesin 2.3-16, beuh........... For sale 325 jeti, uda lama sold di angka 315, sekarang lagi gak ada unit ginian for sale.

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Nightster Guy wrote:Eh uda dibantu om Kopat tho cini-cini om MUAAAAAAAAAAAACHH.... Pffffftttt, kok bau asem?!?!

:big_slap:

:big_weee:
beh... gak kena juga... :big_weee:
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Nightster Guy wrote::e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle:

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Mahal benerrrrrr untuk ukuran mobil taun segini, yah tapi toh laku juga, apa mo dikata kalo barang collectible lalu ketemu orang yang ngerti+berduit+lagi sakauw nyari, mampus dah 300 jeti++ disikat.

W201 190E 2.5-16 1989, unit beredar diperkirakan belasan di Indo, total diperkirakan 30an bila ditambah ama yang mesin 2.3-16, beuh........... For sale 325 jeti, uda lama sold di angka 315, sekarang lagi gak ada unit ginian for sale.

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ah masa cuma 30an? kakek ane dulu punya 190E plat F beli diparkiran kebon raya bogor ada yg jual... rasanya lebih dari 30 lah, bos... yg ketauan sama club mercy aja 30buah kali... lebih rare vw karmann ghia.
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Kalo TOTAL W201 190 series di Indo sih seratus lebih2 dikit mods. Itu estimated loh ya. Nhaaaaa yang estimated 30 ini ane bicara KUSUS yang 16 valve, baik yang enjin 2.3 maupun 2.5.

Angka estimated 30 ane dapet dari pak 'O', mantan pemegang beberapa 190E 16 valve. :) Kolekdol.

Produksi total 2.5-16 sekitar 5.000 unit lebih mods, yang 2.3-16 20an ribu unit CMIIW lupa2 inget statistiknya. Yah gak sampe 1% lah mampir di Indo udah lumayan secara unit ini CBU semua gak pernah masuk resmi.

Kalo diadu ma Karmann, yup stuju Karmann is rarer, keknya puluhan unit aja gak sampe seratus. Yang cabrio cuman belasan.
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Om....seri W201 ini kan nantinya jadi C-Class kan? klo dilihat2 dari awal C-Class ini kayaknya sejalan ama SL ya, ane ngeliat dari bentuk headlamp-nya mirip...terutama sejak R129-W202, trus R230-W203, R230facelift-W204facelift.... ane yakin penerus C-Class yang berikutnya lampu depannya mirip R231
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Coba2 lacak ke daerah, om, sapa tau ada yang blom ngeh harga nya udh fantastis gitu... :mky_03:
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VanzMatic wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Siaaaaaappp....

Summary aja deh:

Eterna GTI: (I4, DOHC, EFI, 4G63, 2.0) diteruskan Galant lele V6 (V6, DOHC, EFI, 6A12, 2.0)
Eterna SOHC: (I4, SOHC, karbu, ntah kode mesin apa, 2.0) diteruskan Galant lele VR (I4, DOHC, karbu, 4G63, 2.0) (ex enjin Eterna GTI yang didowngrade ke karbu).

Kalo masih salah nyimpulin mah kebangeten kok gak ngarti2......... :big_slap:
Mungkin summary nya:

Eterna SOHC: (I4, SOHC, karbu, kode mesin 4G63, 2.0) diteruskan Galant lele VR (I4, DOHC, karbu, 4G63, 2.0) ? - 1995

Eterna GTi DOHC (4G63, DOHC) (??) diteruskan jadi Galant lele V6 (6A12 2.0) 1995-1997


Mohon koreksi hasil ngerjain pe-er saya en pe-er om NG ya pak dosen Maskopat dan Dosen Mitshutoyo...
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galant lele gini nih versinya:
generasi lele di indo mulai 93, abisnya 97

di tahun 93 muncul 2 versi:
V6 dan VR (pake karbu)
Di tahun 95, yg VR diganti jadi pake MPI (injek) sedangkan yg V6 tetep pake mesin yg sama (dari thn 93)
Jadi galant lele V6 mulainya tetep dari 93.

Tahun 96 pertengahan bodinya di facelift (foglights nya jadi kotak), engine sama.