New Grand Fortuner or Pajero Dakar Faselift (All 4x2)

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yang cengeng tuh siapa sih??? ngerengek-rengek ke momod karena postingan di delete... :big_weee:
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Kalo pendapat saya mengenai GNF atau ps, semua balik lagi kaya slogan GUDANG GARAM "pria punya selera" masing2 orang punya selera berbeda.
Nah pendapat sy setelah liat postingan dr teman2

Utk cat ps yg katanya lebih kusam dibandingkan fortuner, buat apa pusingin cat kusam kalo ada bengkel poles mobil? Bisa beli mobil 400jt++ masa ga bs keluarin 300-500 utk jangka waktu 3-4 bulan? Sekali poles langsung kinclongg. Hehe

Utk masalah interior, mitsubishi memang terkenal dgn interior yg murahan.. Setiap produk pasti ada plus dan minusnya.. Kalau mau yg plus semua, jgn beli mobil yg 400jt an. Hehe. Utk fitur2 sy rasa hampir sama keduanya. Utk entertain GNF lbh unggul, tetapi utk fungsi2 penting mobil luar ps sdh sgt mumpuni. Ex : jet washer,hid,sunroof. Yg dimana GNF blm ada fitur tsb.
Kalo ngmgin interior ps sempit krn sunroof, mmg diakui sempit, tp kalo ga mau sempit bisa ambil yg 4x4 non sunroof, atau bs ambil THE REAL PAJERO :P


keunggulan ps dakar dgn GNF, dakar uda ada autofolding(otomatis tutup spion) yg dimana GNF blm ada hehee..

Trus ps sudah leather seat. Sdangkan gnf belum. Masa mbl 350jt++ blum leather seat? Msh pakai jok yg kalo tumpah aer langsung kotor?

Utk masalah akselerasi kekuatan mesin dll, mitsubishi dikenal dgn mobil tahan banting dan memiliki performa mesin diatas toyota..

Kalo disuruh plh dakar ato GNF sy plh dakar (secara sy pakai dakar :p)
Tp disamping itu, sblm pembelian memang ada pertimbangan antara kedua type tsb. Dan akhirnya jatuh plihan ke dakar.

Pengalaman ke beberapa bengkel aksesoris di kemayoran, byk pengguna fortuner pindah ke pajero baik tua maupun muda.

Inti dr segala inti sih, harga dakar 430++ dgn gnf 400jtan. Dgn selisih 30jtan gnf di oprek utk jadi dakar rasanya agak sulit.

Disini cuman mau sharing bukan mau nge judge atau apapun. No offense. Thanks SM
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ini topik dah lama bener ya
TS nya wktu itu jadinya beli apa?


klo nyaranin sih: belilah dakar !!
klo beli sendiri: apa hayooo??? ................ ya gak beli
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kalo buat sendiri beli ''dakkar'' ............ :mky_02: :mky_02:
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jokerr wrote: Inti dr segala inti sih, harga dakar 430++ dgn gnf 400jtan. Dgn selisih 30jtan gnf di oprek utk jadi dakar rasanya agak sulit.
Yg paling sulit adalah merubah Matic GNF jadi 5 speed.

Dakar punya Matic 5 speed konon itu sama dgn Matic-nya Pajero bener yg 3.2 Di-D / 3.8 MIVEC, tapi konon beda di Torque Converter-nya.

Trus merubah rem belakang GNF jadi Disc Brake juga bukan hal mudah, maksudnya bukan hanya sekedar pasang Disc brake tapi sampai setting kinerja optimal-nya.

Utk Dakar memang yg disayangkan kualitas Jok kulit-nya yg terlihat so - so

Utk fast moving parts harga parts original PS banyak yg lebih murah daripada GNF / GNKI, termasuk harga Ball Joint roda, mengingatkan kepada harga parts Kijang kapsul.

Utk kekuatan kaki-kaki = bisa dilihat di Triton yang sgt populer di medan berat, konon Strada Triton punya kaki2 dan sistem penggerak 4X4 nya tergolong sgt tangguh. Kaki2 Triton = PS, beda di suspensi belakang.

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ak4ng wrote:kalo buat sendiri beli ''dakkar'' ............
Bukannya Habanja Pelozz yak......

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Turboman wrote:
ak4ng wrote:kalo buat sendiri beli ''dakkar'' ............
Bukannya Habanja Pelozz yak......

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ak4ng wrote:kalo buat sendiri beli ''dakkar'' ............ :mky_02: :mky_02:
Parfum maksudnya?
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ga tergoda nehhh om buat miara ini PS ??.... :mky_02: :mky_02: :mky_02:

ane aja tergoda abiss ama ini si PS... sayang harga nya masi kurang sopan... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
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jokerr wrote: Inti dr segala inti sih, harga dakar 430++ dgn gnf 400jtan. Dgn selisih 30jtan gnf di oprek utk jadi dakar rasanya agak sulit.
Yg paling sulit adalah merubah Matic GNF jadi 5 speed.

Dakar punya Matic 5 speed konon itu sama dgn Matic-nya Pajero bener yg 3.2 Di-D / 3.8 MIVEC, tapi konon beda di Torque Converter-nya.

Trus merubah rem belakang GNF jadi Disc Brake juga bukan hal mudah, maksudnya bukan hanya sekedar pasang Disc brake tapi sampai setting kinerja optimal-nya.

Utk Dakar memang yg disayangkan kualitas Jok kulit-nya yg terlihat so - so

Utk fast moving parts harga parts original PS banyak yg lebih murah daripada GNF / GNKI, termasuk harga Ball Joint roda, mengingatkan kepada harga parts Kijang kapsul.

Utk kekuatan kaki-kaki = bisa dilihat di Triton yang sgt populer di medan berat, konon Strada Triton punya kaki2 dan sistem penggerak 4X4 nya tergolong sgt tangguh. Kaki2 Triton = PS, beda di suspensi belakang.

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klw yang dakar, ane koq masih ragu cukup tahan nenggak bbm diesel subsidi... maksudnya untuk long term ya...
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DOHC wrote:ga tergoda nehhh om buat miara ini PS ??.... :mky_02: :mky_02: :mky_02:

ane aja tergoda abiss ama ini si PS... sayang harga nya masi kurang sopan... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
Lebih berharap ada Mitsu Zinger dengan spec spt PS Dakar :mrgreen:

sayangnya Mitsu spt ogah2-an ngembangin Zinger, gak tahu kenapa, padahal pasar MPV spt Ipah di Indo dan India sgt lah besarrrr......

MPV gimanapun volume kabin lebih luas drpd SUV dgn platform yg sama, aerodinamika lebih baik, lebih enteng juga.....
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maskopat wrote:klw yang dakar, ane koq masih ragu cukup tahan nenggak bbm diesel subsidi... maksudnya untuk long term ya...
i second that.... bahkan utk kelas d4d ipah aja tetep ane masi ada stengah sangsi gt sehh akan ketahanan nya dicekokin solar subisdi terus2an... beda kalo yg uda teruji macam enjin2 4ja1, 4d56 nya elsape... bahkan 2L nya tokisul.... ini mahhh unit janda dgn odo yg uda ngitung jalan dari ujung dunia jg tetep orang2 masi brani beli...
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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DOHC wrote: i second that.... bahkan utk kelas d4d ipah aja tetep ane masi ada stengah sangsi gt sehh akan ketahanan nya dicekokin solar subisdi terus2an... beda kalo yg uda teruji macam enjin2 4ja1, 4d56 nya elsape... bahkan 2L nya tokisul....
Nyahh omm.....ini udah taun 2012 ommm.....udah mau masuk 8 tahun sejak D4 D pertama kali keluar. :mky_07:

D4 D yg jadi AKAP di Sumatra konon banyak yg udah 500.000 Km / lebih dgn perawatan secukupnya saja.

Eniwei, sistem CRD Low Pressure di D4 D 2KD yg cuman 1350 Bar itu sebetulnya juga udah banyak ditinggalkan oleh automakers, malah kayaknya saat ini mobil2 Diesel model baru udah gak ada lagi yg maen di kelas 1350 bar, kebanyakan 1500 - 1800 Bar.

Inilah mengapa D4 D 2KD tetap survive menenggak solar jelek, wong kalo idle pressure cuman 275 Bar, nyetir biasa juga paling maen sekitar 500 - 600 Bar, bejek dalem 950 Bar, bejek dalem di atas 120 km/jam baru naek sampe 1300 Bar.

4D56 Di-D standard juga konon Low Pressure, tapi yg Dakar sih Pressure-nya mesti lebih tinggi.

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D4 D kalo dah 5 tahun yg banyak problem tuh malah waterpump-nya yg minta ganti, TR-FE juga. Waterpump-nya kalah kuat ama 2L punya. :mky_07:
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Mobil travel Innova di sumatra, suaranya kasar, sudah hampir mirip panther dan ngebul hitam. Itu bukan masalah kerusakan akibat Solar busuk ya?

artinya itu hanya akibat kasus normal, filter udara kotor, injector kencing, filter bbm dsb yang intinya kurang perawatan saja?
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Turboman wrote:
Lebih berharap ada Mitsu Zinger dengan spec spt PS Dakar :mrgreen:

sayangnya Mitsu spt ogah2-an ngembangin Zinger, gak tahu kenapa, padahal pasar MPV spt Ipah di Indo dan India sgt lah besarrrr......
Zinger mah jelek banget :mrgreen:
Innnova pake 2500cc vnt 144HP aja lah cukup :mrgreen:
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Turboman wrote: 4D56 Di-D standard juga konon Low Pressure, tapi yg Dakar sih Pressure-nya mesti lebih tinggi.
Betul2x, berasa banget tuh bedanya solar jelek sama solar bagus, kalau dulu di D4D 2 tahun full biosolar kagak masalah, yg 4D56 hi-power ane masih oplos pake DEX, tapi puas lah 0-100 under 9 second, not bad for 2000kg diesel suv :mrgreen:
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ilhami wrote:Mobil travel Innova di sumatra, suaranya kasar, sudah hampir mirip panther dan ngebul hitam. Itu bukan masalah kerusakan akibat Solar busuk ya?
yah perawatan ala kadarnya, paling cuman ganti oli, filter2 + kualitas oli yg standard aja + jarak tempuh mesin, wajar aja, tapi mesin tsb tetap survive.

Kalo pemakai pribadi kan pasti perawatan oke, oli mesin bagus, purging rutin, additive solar, EGR rutin dibersihkan.
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htannis wrote:
Turboman wrote: 4D56 Di-D standard juga konon Low Pressure, tapi yg Dakar sih Pressure-nya mesti lebih tinggi.
Betul2x, berasa banget tuh bedanya solar jelek sama solar bagus, kalau dulu di D4D 2 tahun full biosolar kagak masalah, yg 4D56 hi-power ane masih oplos pake DEX, tapi puas lah 0-100 under 9 second, not bad for 2000kg diesel suv :mrgreen:
Berani beli mobil 400++ masa isinya full bio ...

Mo paling kenceng tapi paling ngirit nih :e-whistle:
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relisar wrote: Berani beli mobil 400++ masa isinya full bio ...

Mo paling kenceng tapi paling ngirit nih :e-whistle:
Jeee biasa aja kalih, segitu mah kagak kenceng, makanya pake bbm yg murah dong. Kalau mau kenceng ane belinya vw golf tsi :e-whistle:
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Ini naik atau turun om ? per bulan Mei 2012

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To Turboman :

Ia memang utk leather nya kurang bagus. Pemakaian baru 5 bulan uda mulai keriting hahaha..
Btw, Kalo purging itu per brp km ya bro? Kalo 11200km uda perlu purging blom?
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jokerr wrote: Btw, Kalo purging itu per brp km ya bro? Kalo 11200km uda perlu purging blom?
belom, nanti aja di 25.000 Km
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htannis wrote: Zinger mah jelek banget :mrgreen:
Keren khan kalo ada MPV "Cupu looks" tapi performa sadis...... :mrgreen:
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dulu taft independent 2005 baru 270 juta sekarang yg sekelas kaya PS maupun fortuner udah main di 400 juta yg 4 WD wallahualam bro naiknya tinggi banget
Performa mesin berlipat ganda setiap 30 tahun