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sempet baca bocoran nama2 dari berita web yang disharing temen saya ...

ada beberapa nama yang saya kenal orangnya, kebetulan setau saya mereka memang selain punya pabrik juga punya bisnis di luar negeri ...

apa mungkin rekening panama mereka untuk bisnisnya yang di luar ?
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Sejujurnya belum terlalu ngeh ama case ini..
Cuma gambaran sederhana ny mungkin seperti ini..
Maaf copas lagi lagi dari tempo.

https://m.tempo.co/read/news/2016/04/06 ... engan-babi
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Sampai hari ini sudah ada dua orang yg namanya tercantum di list Panama Paper yg resign dari jabatanny, terbaru Komite Etik FIFA Juan Pedro Damiani.

Mari menunggu hasil investigasi nya keluar di bulan May nanti
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tax ammesty jadi nekad digolkan DPR ndak nih? situasinya begini
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kayanya sih ga bakal dikasih tuh tax amnesty sama DPR ...

mereka kan jago ngeles, klo diselidiki kenapa taruh duit disana jawabannya pasti 1001 macam trus ujung2nya mentah tuh ...
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alahh... gak bakalan gol dah itu tax amnesty, dewan terhormat sendiri pada bawa duitnya keluar negeri koq...
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ah tax amnesty itu seolah hanya satu sisi sj defaulting

public members diliat tdk / blm bayar tax

pdhl selama ini yg tdk ada / kurang adalah tax return benefit ... hrsnya ada tax revocation (write off) n tax restructuring

maling kok kasih amnesty ... hrsnya public yg kasih / tdk kasih pardon to govt

caranya bisa pakai street parliamentarian u usir smua supporters jenderal penjahat ham n retooling with new ones pro public anti theft

yg jelas sy mau liat massive lay off existing governmental employment n recruitment revolt
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street parliamentarian gak jalan, omNR
emang siapa mau kasih sponsor
semua terlibat kok
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Ada yg menarik dr website ini

http://www.indonesia-investments.com/ne ... s/item6674

Dimana salah satu nama yg tercantum di panama papers adl cagub DKI 2017 dr partai gerrr.....

Saat dirjen pajak lg gencar ngejar2 warga sipil yg ga berdosa mo tau di apain ni orang.


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sekarang staf khusus gubernur kena cekal soal suap , jangan2 bentar lagi gubernur kena jeblos ke penjara .... amit2 , mending dia ke amerika aja ngungsi
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tebeer wrote:street parliamentarian gak jalan, omNR
emang siapa mau kasih sponsor
semua terlibat kok
belum
bukan 'tidak'
itu last resort ... mass rally itu indo streer politics' last resort ... fir'aun jawa dulu overthrown dgn cara itu at intense level

cara pertama ya yg jalan skrg ini ... slash n divide on politicalparties (the pro general) ... coba skrg liat ... pol.part pro general yg mana yg blm kena leadership dualism?

tar govt akan ada di satu sisi bersamasama dg street movement ... versus members of parliament sbg maintarget n non-secular (theocratic) pol.part sbg intermediate target

initial blue print yg sdh mulai bs sy baca

sorry beyond topic
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newrubble wrote:
tebeer wrote:street parliamentarian gak jalan, omNR
emang siapa mau kasih sponsor
semua terlibat kok
belum
bukan 'tidak'
itu last resort ... mass rally itu indo streer politics' last resort ... fir'aun jawa dulu overthrown dgn cara itu at intense level

cara pertama ya yg jalan skrg ini ... slash n divide on politicalparties (the pro general) ... coba skrg liat ... pol.part pro general yg mana yg blm kena leadership dualism?

tar govt akan ada di satu sisi bersamasama dg street movement ... versus members of parliament sbg maintarget n non-secular (theocratic) pol.part sbg intermediate target

initial blue print yg sdh mulai bs sy baca

sorry beyond topic
govt kan dapat suport dari invicible hands or something, omNR .... dan suporters ini besar kemungkinan gak bersih jugalah dari papper2 offshore itu.
kalo firaun jawa, ada campur tangan sponsor juga ah.... gak murni people power.
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jwid wrote:sekarang staf khusus gubernur kena cekal soal suap , jangan2 bentar lagi gubernur kena jeblos ke penjara .... amit2 , mending dia ke amerika aja ngungsi
staf khusus apa anak magang? xixixixixi
coba di cek backgroundnya.
ntar juga jangan2 diralat sama Ronnie Sompie. hehehehehe.
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tebeer wrote:
newrubble wrote:
tebeer wrote:street parliamentarian gak jalan, omNR
emang siapa mau kasih sponsor
semua terlibat kok
belum
bukan 'tidak'
itu last resort ... mass rally itu indo streer politics' last resort ... fir'aun jawa dulu overthrown dgn cara itu at intense level

cara pertama ya yg jalan skrg ini ... slash n divide on politicalparties (the pro general) ... coba skrg liat ... pol.part pro general yg mana yg blm kena leadership dualism?

tar govt akan ada di satu sisi bersamasama dg street movement ... versus members of parliament sbg maintarget n non-secular (theocratic) pol.part sbg intermediate target

initial blue print yg sdh mulai bs sy baca

sorry beyond topic
govt kan dapat suport dari invicible hands or something, omNR .... dan suporters ini besar kemungkinan gak bersih jugalah dari papper2 offshore itu.
kalo firaun jawa, ada campur tangan sponsor juga ah.... gak murni people power.

kalk sdh bicara sponsor ... invicible hands itu conspiracy theory sy hands off


indo itu raja nya conspiracy theory ... apapun ... dari abortive coup d'etat sampai stock beras kurang ... rupiah jeblok juga dia bilang cia ... dan lainnya ...
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newrubble wrote:
tebeer wrote:street parliamentarian gak jalan, omNR
emang siapa mau kasih sponsor
semua terlibat kok
belum
bukan 'tidak'
itu last resort ... mass rally itu indo streer politics' last resort ... fir'aun jawa dulu overthrown dgn cara itu at intense level

cara pertama ya yg jalan skrg ini ... slash n divide on politicalparties (the pro general) ... coba skrg liat ... pol.part pro general yg mana yg blm kena leadership dualism?

tar govt akan ada di satu sisi bersamasama dg street movement ... versus members of parliament sbg maintarget n non-secular (theocratic) pol.part sbg intermediate target

initial blue print yg sdh mulai bs sy baca

sorry beyond topic
secara historisnya sering sekali kerusuhan disini, atau apa apa dibayangi akan ada nya rusuh kembali, bacaan om nr saya artikan bahwa nanti in the future dont know when the timing is, akan ada kerusuhan lagi nih sangat mengerikan deh hidup gak tenang. sebagian besar orang kita menabung atau punya paspor 5 bukan untuk hari tua saja , kalo ditanya jawabnya "kalo ada apa apa".
gak heran pegang rupiah jadi hal yang tak menarik untuk dilakukan
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apalagi ini ada kasus reklamasi, bisa aja di sangkut pautkan dengan panama papers, offshore leaks dll.. bisa makin melebar ini kasusnya.. ada kemungkinan nanti konglomerat2 yg diciduk barengan sama dprd... bisa jadi bibit riots lg nih
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newrubble wrote:
kalk sdh bicara sponsor ... invicible hands itu conspiracy theory sy hands off


indo itu raja nya conspiracy theory ... apapun ... dari abortive coup d'etat sampai stock beras kurang ... rupiah jeblok juga dia bilang cia ... dan lainnya ...
Conspiracy theory is a good business. You only need anonymous social media accounts to support the business. Pantes apa enggak bukan domain saya untuk judge. Mungkin MUI bisa kasih sertifikat halal untuk online media accounts.

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Tax Avoidance nggak dilarang, yang dilarang adalah Tax Evasion. Kemarin sempet browsing list nama orang-orang indo yang ada di panama papers dan munculah nama salah seorang teman sekolah saya.
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tiap hari pemerintah bilang pengusaha nilep ini curi itu colong sana sikat sini, sudah dari dulu rasanya semua tahu, kalo tidak diminta siapa sih yang mau keluar uang extra untuk "memberi"? logika dibalik balik kadang dia bingung sendiri
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ttg offshore company ... legal establishment aspect

ini yg pernah sy lakukan 15x jaman dulu

offshore company yg paling dekat dr indo ... labuan(batam nya malaysia ... sy baru tadi malam search search n temu alamat villa the most wanted indo fugitive disini ... ) ... philippines (bisa pakai alamat kantoor pos / posbox di lawfirm manapun) ... nauru (charter flight kalo mau ke tempat ini) ... marshal island (dulu datang ksini dg united via honolulu)

offshore company dibuat agar neutral governing law (not laws of either parties to contract) dlm suatu contract ... memiliki alasan hukum / just cause sehingga bila ada dispute diantara parties to contract ... governing law akan menjadi hosting law / lex loci contractus / forum law ... tanpa pengadilan di tempat yg dipilih itu ...mampu lg mengirim dispute kes ini ke luar negara

bayangkan ni'mat litigasi tanpa hrs kluar wang sogok meski tdk dpt pahala krn tdk ada org pengadilan yg pergi ibadah kluar negara dg wang kita
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maksud om NR offshore company ini dibuat supaya masing2 pihak yang terikat contract tidak harus berurusan dengan pengadilan di negaranya masing2 ?