panama papers lagi rame.. apa pendapat ny para penghuni SM..

deddytok · Post by **deddytok** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:38

Lagi rame soal Panama Papers..
Media online dan TV belum banyak yg blow up ni berita..
Kira kira kalo ini benar terjadi apa efek ny buat negara kita ya..
Soal ny beberapa nama pengusaha besar Indo ada terindikasi masuk list.
Ini salah satu link berita nya..

http://investigasi.tempo.co/panama/

octafiantos · Post by **octafiantos** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:00

Ini T&C dari laman https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/

Please read the statement below before searching.

There are legitimate uses for offshore companies and trusts. We do not intend to suggest or imply that any persons, companies or other entities included in the ICIJ Offshore Leaks Database have broken the law or otherwise acted improperly. If you find an error in the database please get in touch with us.

List ini belum bicara apa-apa, hanya list orang yang naro offshores, imo.

polarbear · Post by **polarbear** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:17

Saya bukan orang hukum, sebagai awam: mestinya nggak ada masalah karena aparat kita nggak bakal kesana.

Setiap orang bisa naruh uangnya dimana saja dia mau (british virgin island, cayman, dll) dengan objective: meminimasi tax di negaranya atau menghindari asal-usul uang tsb terdeteksi. Kalau maksudnya yg kedua, ngapain jauh2 ... kan bisa pakai cara lain atau di negeri tetangga

octafiantos · Post by **octafiantos** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:22

deddytok wrote:Lagi rame soal Panama Papers..
Media online dan TV belum banyak yg blow up ni berita..
Kira kira kalo ini benar terjadi apa efek ny buat negara kita ya..
Soal ny beberapa nama pengusaha besar Indo ada terindikasi masuk list.
Ini salah satu link berita nya..

http://investigasi.tempo.co/panama/

Lihat saja sendiri listnya, orang dan badan yang naro ngga banyak kok ga sampe 3000.
Itu juga kalo satu entiti naro lebih dari 1 bakal dilist sesuai jumlah, jadi banyak data berulang.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?c ... =on&adr=on

newrubble · Post by **newrubble** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:42

brunei dah paling dekat n paling murah n paling aman

fbi ... irs ... europol request n queries selalu mrk decline

tapi org indo kan baru akan fikir ksana kalo sdh overcrowded ... mainstream society

g4ndalf · Post by **g4ndalf** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:03

Ngapain juga ngurusin duit orang lain, kita kan menganut hukum positif, selama duit tersebut tidak terbukti diperoleh dgn cara yg haram ya dianggap halal.

Soal pajek klo sudah jelas asal usulnya trus dia sudah bayar pajek mao ditaroh di bulan juga urusan org itu.

tebeer · Post by **tebeer** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:42

yang mungkin jadi pertanyaan,
kenapa menghindari pajak?
asal usul uangnya darimana?

kalo baca2 sekelas leonel messi, motifnya menghindari pajak saja mungkin
tapi pengusaha2 lainnya, bisa jadi pencucian uang kan?
cmiiw

siputKW · Post by **siputKW** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:57

Jembatan keledai biar sedikit ngerti ini kasus apa:
http://www.techinsider.io/why-the-panam ... ign=buffer

Yg jelas ini baru 1 kasus dari 1 firm di 1 tax haven area, gunung es ya?
Bagi sy tax minimization tu ok, tapi tax avoidance & evasion itu.... silahkan jawab sendiri pakai nurani masing2 haha

*ngacir*

newrubble · Post by **newrubble** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:58

sy dulu pernah tanya ke mgkn 15 org indo yg berbeda tapi sama sama ada di premium banking

intinya

why avoid indo taxes (bukan US atau tempat normal lain)

jwp mrk

krn indo tax collection sdh tdk wajar ... double digit bahkan triple digit (%) up without anything in return ...

jadi ibaratnya govt.indo itu maling ... jgn lg mrk colong terus ... itu yg sy dengar dari mrk yg tadinya punya business di indo

Haagendasz · Post by **Haagendasz** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:58

klo bayar pajak di Indonesia rasanya agak gimana gitu ... tapi mau ngaku miskin susah sekarang wong kartu kredit aja diintip transaksinya ...

mungkin ya pake offshore account aja biar duitnya ga diendus sama pemerintah kali yah ?

setau saya banyak orang kaya eropa yang ajuin kewarganegaraan Gibraltar supaya tax free, tapi mereka sendiri tinggal di Marbella atau kota2 lain ...

newrubble · Post by **newrubble** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 13:04

sy suruh bbrp yg sy kenal di indo ... buka account brunei n apply cc disana spy cc trx indo aman n nyaman meski hrs bayar lbh

aman n nyaman ... bukan murah

di sana cc credit limit dr jumlah wang yg frozen u tar bayar cc due (besar kecil cc credit limit tergantung kita mau brp n ada wang brp dlm account)

ohiya ... brunei tdk kenal yg namanya bank customer information disclosure / exchange

Haagendasz · Post by **Haagendasz** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 13:43

klo soal Gibraltar gimana tuh om ? klo ga salah banyak yang jadi WN Gibraltar biar ga bayar pajak ...

don1234 · Post by **don1234** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 14:23

newrubble wrote:sy suruh bbrp yg sy kenal di indo ... buka account brunei n apply cc disana spy cc trx indo aman n nyaman meski hrs bayar lbh

aman n nyaman ... bukan murah

di sana cc credit limit dr jumlah wang yg frozen u tar bayar cc due (besar kecil cc credit limit tergantung kita mau brp n ada wang brp dlm account)

ohiya ... brunei tdk kenal yg namanya bank customer information disclosure / exchange

Om NR, kalo buka account di brunei ada syarat apa saja ? Minimum saldo berapa ? Skrg exhange rate nya berapa ya? Thanks

newrubble · Post by **newrubble** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 16:26

sejak 2014.09 sudah peg bnd.1 = sgd.1

ini 1 1 nya di dunia ... govt.subsidy on local currency value ...

sy tdk di bilang hrs taruh berapa ... sy taruh satu juta (jgn tanya currency apa ... anggap sj rupiah biar enak)

tapi ada yg sy kenal taruh dua ratus lima puluh lima ribu

100% tax free

stiffler · Post by **stiffler** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 0:21

buat orang yg belum kaya2 amat gimana cara tax avoidance ya? kayanya ga mungkin deh ikut2an ke panama sana hahaha
karena sejujurnya saya sbg rakyat jelata aja udh kesel ama pemerintah yg morotin duit mulu macam preman.
kita udh bayar pajak,eh ujung2nya tetep aja kita yg susah : macet, apa2 mahal, ga aman, transportasi umum susah, listrik susah, pemerintahan bang*at, dll etc you name it

semoga ada yg berkenan sharing caranya ya hehehehe

tebeer · Post by **tebeer** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 0:35

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... nvestments

masih ada budaya malu
apapun alasannya dia pake offshore,
dia sadar, itu ndak benar

teppey · Post by **teppey** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:24

tebeer wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... nvestments

masih ada budaya malu
apapun alasannya dia pake offshore,
dia sadar, itu ndak benar

The decision was announced in parliament after the legislature had been the focus of street protests that attracted thousands of Icelanders angered by the alleged tax evasion efforts of their leader. Gunnlaugsson, who will step down a year before his term was due to end, gave in to mounting pressure from the opposition and even from corners of his own party.

Sepertinya sih bukan malu, tapi under pressure dari opposition Dan public

tebeer · Post by **tebeer** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:40

teppey wrote:
tebeer wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... nvestments

masih ada budaya malu
apapun alasannya dia pake offshore,
dia sadar, itu ndak benar
The decision was announced in parliament after the legislature had been the focus of street protests that attracted thousands of Icelanders angered by the alleged tax evasion efforts of their leader. Gunnlaugsson, who will step down a year before his term was due to end, gave in to mounting pressure from the opposition and even from corners of his own party.

Sepertinya sih bukan malu, tapi under pressure dari opposition Dan public

tapi bahasanya resign .... bukan fired sih

coba kalo disini, udah diprotes ya ngeyel ajaaaa

don1234 · Post by **don1234** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:39

stiffler wrote:buat orang yg belum kaya2 amat gimana cara tax avoidance ya? kayanya ga mungkin deh ikut2an ke panama sana hahaha
karena sejujurnya saya sbg rakyat jelata aja udh kesel ama pemerintah yg morotin duit mulu macam preman.
kita udh bayar pajak,eh ujung2nya tetep aja kita yg susah : macet, apa2 mahal, ga aman, transportasi umum susah, listrik susah, pemerintahan bang*at, dll etc you name it

semoga ada yg berkenan sharing caranya ya hehehehe

beli emas, jgn beli aset, beli emas gak usah lapor pajak

tebeer · Post by **tebeer** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:49

don1234 wrote:
stiffler wrote:buat orang yg belum kaya2 amat gimana cara tax avoidance ya? kayanya ga mungkin deh ikut2an ke panama sana hahaha
karena sejujurnya saya sbg rakyat jelata aja udh kesel ama pemerintah yg morotin duit mulu macam preman.
kita udh bayar pajak,eh ujung2nya tetep aja kita yg susah : macet, apa2 mahal, ga aman, transportasi umum susah, listrik susah, pemerintahan bang*at, dll etc you name it

semoga ada yg berkenan sharing caranya ya hehehehe
beli emas, jgn beli aset, beli emas gak usah lapor pajak

lama lama ntar ANTAM suruh setorin nama nasabahnya juga, om .....

zhulato · Post by **zhulato** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:20

tebeer wrote:
teppey wrote:
tebeer wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... nvestments

masih ada budaya malu
apapun alasannya dia pake offshore,
dia sadar, itu ndak benar
The decision was announced in parliament after the legislature had been the focus of street protests that attracted thousands of Icelanders angered by the alleged tax evasion efforts of their leader. Gunnlaugsson, who will step down a year before his term was due to end, gave in to mounting pressure from the opposition and even from corners of his own party.

Sepertinya sih bukan malu, tapi under pressure dari opposition Dan public
tapi bahasanya resign .... bukan fired sih coba kalo disini, udah diprotes ya ngeyel ajaaaa

jgnkan diprotes, udah di pecat aja masih ada yang gak terima :p

--
Intinya sih dibilang 100% salah sih gak juga, tp dibilan 100% bener gak juga (liat diagram diatas)

makin membuka apa itu offshore company.

fizrmen · Post by **fizrmen** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:04

ini kasus apa ya...? jd file para pengemplang pajak bocor semua gt ato gmn??

solar_kerosen · Post by **solar_kerosen** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:53

ngurus beras aja gak mampu kok malah ngurusin uang virtual

tebeer · Post by **tebeer** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 13:59

ada data ICIJ
ada data panamapapper
ada data swissleak

hehehehehe.....

brintanizer · Post by **brintanizer** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 14:37

Wah bakalan rame nih . Apakah serame thread LBGT yg sdh di lock ..

Berhubung saya ndak tau apa apa jd nyimak dulu panama papers .
Yg ada di pikiran saya kalo mendengar kata panama : terusan ( pelajaran geografi jaman smp ) wkwkwkwk
Ama .. Latinos girl

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