LCGC Suzuki - Karimun Wagon R

[m4rio]

Pada nunggu nocan alin, kom4r...

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udah pumya semua, dah jadi rahasia umum

[kodok64]

sepi amat nih, pada kmna semua nih

Ditunggu long term review nya om...
Udah brp km? Ada keluhan?

ud menyentuh 1.400km om, tanpa keluhan apa2

Ini wagon pilar a nya kayaknya agak nutupin ya om kalo belok, untungnya mobilnya kecil, jadi enak2 aja kl ambil kanan-kiri..

[sandal]

Jakarta - Suzuki menambah varian mobil Low Cost and Green Car, Wagon R, dengan tipe terbaru Wagon R AGS. AGS sendiri merupakan singkatan dari Auto Gear Shift.

Dalam email yang dikirim Suzuki, mobil itu akan dirilis beberapa hari lagi. Dari namanya memang jelas terlihat kalau perubahan Wagon R ada pada transmisinya.

Mobil ini menjawab pertanyaan yang sering diajukan kalangan media pada Suzuki, kapan ada versi matik dari Wagon R?

Tetapi apa pula Auto Gear Shift (AGS) itu?

AGS merupakan salah satu tipe transmisi yang dikembangkan Suzuki, terutama untuk model-model mobil di India. Salah satu model mobil yang memakai AGS adalah Celerio.

AGS menggabungkan kenyamanan mobil matik dan keiritan dan bobot yang ringan dari sebuah transmisi manual.

Jadi mobil bisa dikendarai dalam mode matik (D) tetapi juga bisa dikendarai dalam mode manual. Intinya transmisi manual yang bisa diotomatiskan.

Sekilas mengenai AGS bisa Otolovers pahami lewat video di bawah ini:

sumber : http://oto.detik.com/otofokus/read/2015 ... o991102638

[liat2aja]

Saya juga sudah baca berita diatas, intinya sebenarnya Transmisinya automatic, tapi ada "paddle shift"/"tiptronic" nya kan?

Menarik juga kalau dijadikan mobil kedua untuk antar-jemput anak sekolah dan saat jalan2 keluarga tanpa pembantu. Harganya mudah2an waras

[amfibi]

Yeaaaaaay LCGC ternyaman lega empuk halus nyoi2 kini ada AMT nya

Dadah agya ayla datgo ...

[billyd1773dz]

Saya juga sudah baca berita diatas, intinya sebenarnya Transmisinya automatic, tapi ada "paddle shift"/"tiptronic" nya kan?

Menarik juga kalau dijadikan mobil kedua untuk antar-jemput anak sekolah dan saat jalan2 keluarga tanpa pembantu. Harganya mudah2an waras

beda om.... ini literaly transmisi 5MT di pasang modul kopling + shifter otomatis. unit transmisi MTnya sama jadi sparepart termasuk clutchny juga pakai clutch yg sama dgn MT.



penasaran aja kalau clutchnya uda mau abis engage point AMTny bisa geser sendiri,makin lag atw jadi slip...

[Mamang555]

Tadi pagi lewat Aston di TB Simatupang kayaknya mau ada launching Wagon R AGS secara banyak umbul2 AGS dan juga banyak unit test drive nya.

Ini maticnya mirip2 sama Celerio yang mau edar disini dong ya...ga ada posisi P nya (make sense sih kalo kata mod billy bahwa ini adalah manual yang di -matic kan).. so memang ga ada P.



Kalo memang matic nya sama dengan Celerio di India... nih ada sedikit review dari teambhp

Starting the engine up must be done with the gear lever in Neutral. You have to press the brake pedal as well, else the engine won't start. There's no 'P' (park) mode or gear unlock button like in a conventional AT. Once fired up, slide the gear-lever to 'D' (drive) to get going. As you release the brake, the car will move forward without any accelerator input. However, it doesn't move too fast and will top out at about 6-7 km/h, without any driver input. When you press the accelerator, you'll notice that throttle response is quite immediate. It's exactly like a pure manual in this respect.

In city traffic is where the AMT truly shines and brings the most benefits. There's no clutch pedal and there's no requirement for the driver to repeatedly shift between Neutral-1st-2nd either. In crawling bumper to bumper traffic, you don’t need to give any accelerator input. Just release the brake a little bit, and the car crawls forward. Start-off is extremely smooth. At these speeds, there is no difference felt between the AMT and a conventional AT. In fact, this is more like a DSG in stop & go traffic since the mechanism is identical (but only between Neutral and 1st gear). Maruti has coined the term 'EZ Drive' to market its AMT; we couldn't agree anymore. Budget car owners will love the fact that their left leg is completely relaxed. The tricky part with the AMT in city driving is parking into tight spots. Unlike a conventional AT where it's possible to ease the car forward very gradually, the AMT is more of an 'on or off' solution, as it tries its best not to slip the clutch more than required. This results in more eager movement, which can be a bit tricky when getting in & out of tight parking spaces.

Gearshift quality is a universal sore point for Automated Manual Transmissions. The Celerio's AMT is no different. Despite the start-off from 0 km/h being seamless, it’s the following gearshifts that are indeed noticeable. First-time automatic drivers won't have any complaints with the AMT. However, those used to smoother AT gearboxes will definitely notice the compromise. The first time you drive off, you'll be accelerating and there will suddenly be a lull in acceleration when the car shifts up to 2nd gear. You can certainly feel this drop in acceleration, as the clutch disengages and engages, especially from the driver's seat. On your first few drives of the AMT, this upshifting and the resultant loss in acceleration can get annoying. Another example: If you're cruising along at 40 km/h in 4th gear, and you press the accelerator to get a little more acceleration, you'll feel a lull before the acceleration actually kicks in - because the gearbox is shifting down to 3rd gear. On each gearshift, you feel your body move forward due to the mismatch of anticipation and reality. The lag in power during gearshifts is more noticeable during uphill climbs, since the drop in acceleration is more pronounced.

Sounds like a disappointment? Fret not. There's a silver lining on this cloud. Firstly, no matter how evident the gearshifts seem to the driver, passengers won't notice them! GTO barely noticed an awkward gearshift when I was driving, and I barely noticed one when he was at the wheel. Passengers just don't anticipate shifts the same way the driver does, and this makes it a smooth ride for them. Secondly, there are some simple driving tips you can apply to make your gearshift experience smoother. If you drive with an extremely light foot, the shifts will be much less perceptible, since the drop in acceleration at each shift won't be as large. Another tip that some might get used to, others will find cumbersome: When accelerating up to speed, let off the accelerator at intervals, and the AMT will cease that opportunity to upshift. E.g. When going from 0-40 km/h, let off the accelerator very slightly at 10, 20 and 30 km/h, and the AMT will take each one of those opportunities to upshift a gear - almost like you told it to! Finally, you'll be happy to know that shift quality gets better between higher gears, and is virtually seamless when going downhill. It's also completely silent in its operation. There's absolutely no noise or clanking when the gears shift.

Fuel efficiency is without a doubt what the AMT has been tuned for. This means the transmission will shift up gears as early as possible. Even in crawling traffic, the AMT will upshift to 2nd gear at a fairly low 10-12 km/h. The large 'current gear indicator' of the MID keeps you in the loop as to which gear is engaged. It's quite a novelty and I'm sure will be appreciated by those who test drive or own the Celerio. It adds to that premiumness, as even some of the more expensive cars don’t have this feature. With a light foot, upshifts take place at roughly every 10 km/h. Translated, 20 km/h brings on 2nd gear, 30 km/h for 3rd, 40 km/h for 4th and so on. At 40 km/h, the Celerio was already in 4th @ 1200-1400 rpm. The minute that rpm levels drop to 1100 or below, the transmission will downshift to a lower gear. We'll discuss fuel efficiency some more in the upcoming engine post.

Overtaking on the Highway takes some getting used to as well. The AMT executes the initial half of the overtaking manoeuvre well. The engine gives out a nice blip on kick-down, and it's even willing to drop two or three ratios at a time (e.g. 5th to 2nd). However, the scary thing is that, as you're passing another vehicle and building up the revvs, the AMT sometimes decides to upshift mid-manoeuvre! This results in a break in the acceleration when you need it the most. The shift is fairly slow too, not urgent like it would be if you were driving a manual. The workaround: before overtaking, it's always better to put the gearbox in manual mode, which will then hold the gear all the way to the redline, and prevent a premature upshift. When used right on the highway, the AMT is better than some lazy CVTs in the market (the Nissan Micra's CVT, for example).

Manual Mode has other advantages, especially for the more enthusiastic drivers who want a higher degree of control. Other than the Grand i10 and the pricey Polo TSI, this is the only hatchback to offer a tiptronic-like manual mode below 20 lakhs. On the bottom right of the MID gear indicator, there is a small alphabet: 'M' for Manual & 'D' for Drive, indicating the mode that you are currently in. We recommend shifting to manual mode before overtaking, when you need engine braking and of course, the times that you are in the mood for some fun. In manual mode, the AMT will hold a gear to the redline. Conversely, if the rpm drops too low, the AMT will downshift to prevent the motor from stalling. If you try to upshift at too low an rpm or downshift at too high an rpm, the AMT will ignore your instructions and flash the gear indicator in protest. It's always a good idea to switch to manual mode before your favourite ghat section, because it prevents sudden and unsettling gear changes mid-corner. 0-100 times are also best tried in manual mode, but they certainly won't match up to the true manual Celerio. Why? Because there's no way to dump the clutch and get a hard launch on the AMT, along with the faster gearshifts that a good driver can pull off. An advantage of manual mode is that you can increase the amount of engine braking when going downhill. It's quite effective, although not as aggressive as in a pure MT. A good thing is that the AMT doesn’t ever free-wheel (some dual-clutch ATs do). It always keeps the clutch & gearbox engaged, resulting in better control.

Hill starts require that you use the correct procedure in order to minimize rollback. There's even a sticker on the driver's door advising you to use the handbrake to aid starting on an incline. When starting off on a hill, switching your foot immediately from the brake to accelerator will result in the Celerio rolling back....before it engages the clutch and moves forward. On a steep hill, the car can roll back as much as 3 feet before moving forward. It's dangerous, and also bad for the clutch in terms of wear & tear and overheating. In fact, there's a special 'transaxle overheating' warning light just for this. Thus, it's best to use the parking brake when starting off on an incline. This results in only an inch or two of rollback and a very gradual start-off. A 'Hill Hold' braking function would have been a neat addition to the Celerio.

I'd also like to add that the AMT manages the clutch & gearbox a lot better than sub-par drivers out there. There's no doubt that it is more talented than a below-average driver in choosing when to shift, how to shift and what gear to be in.

Understanding the AMT better:

• If you're in Drive and pull up the handbrake (say, at a traffic light), the clutch will automatically disengage. This is far more convenient than shifting to Neutral each time you stop. To start moving again, you need to lower the handbrake and press the accelerator. If you don't press the accelerator, the clutch will remain disengaged and the car could roll forwards or backwards (depending on the slope of the road).

• Further to the point above, for regular usage, there is no need to use Neutral, other than for starting the Celerio. Even when you're stationary in 'D', just engage the handbrake and it's as good as Neutral.

• Ask the gearbox to do anything that it doesn’t want to do, and you'll see the gear indicator blinking. Downshifting at too high an RPM? It will blink. Upshifting at too low an RPM? It will blink.

• If you're not in Neutral with the brake pedal pressed, the engine won't start. Instead, the car will blink the gear indicator and beep constantly.

• If you're in Neutral and shift to Drive without pressing the brake, the system beeps and the car remains in Neutral. The 'N' sign flashes and the brake icon shows up. You have to switch back to Neutral, press the brake and then select Drive.

• There is an audible clunk from the engine bay when you switch between Drive, Reverse & Neutral (but not when it shifts up or down gears in 'Drive' mode).

• If you're lugging uphill (not pressing the accelerator) in 1st gear and the incline or load gets too much for the car, it won't stall like a manual transmission would. Instead, the AMT will just disengage the clutch and you start rolling backwards!

• If the AMT was tuned for comfort or smoothness (rather than fuel economy), it would prevent the transmission from getting confused at times, and having to hunt up and down gears so often.

• Not sure how the AMT will behave once the clutch starts to wear out. Will AMT clutches have to be replaced sooner than MT clutches? Proper clutch service and setting will play an important role with the Celerio AMT. And remember, use the handbrake on inclines!

• Turning off the vehicle with the transmission in Neutral leaves you entirely reliant on the handbrake, when parked on an incline. We suggest you turn your Celerio off in either "D" or "R" instead, which will provide a secondary brake force (just like parking a manual car in 1st or Reverse).

[Mamang555]

Sori dopost.. kalo ini manual yang di matic kan.. harusnya fuel cons nya bisa se-irit manual tapi dapet praktikal nya matik dong ya... gud gud...

[gilaasepeda]

akhirnya keluar jg .......... duo kaleng sich nda ada2 nya compare dengan gs ..... btw seat row ke 2 bisa atur ketinggian sandaran bangku nda?

[m4rio]

hayu hayuu yg mau TD wagon matik, ane rencana mw TD yg matik nih kalo jadi.

[nugroho bagor]

hayu hayuu yg mau TD wagon matik, ane rencana mw TD yg matik nih kalo jadi.

Di tunggu reviewnya, selain pintu depan yang mak jlebb

[sandal]

hayu hayuu yg mau TD wagon matik, ane rencana mw TD yg matik nih kalo jadi.

Di tunggu reviewnya, selain pintu depan yang mak jlebb

Wah nitip juga reviewnya.......



......... nambah lagi dong om mar


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[nugroho bagor]

hayu hayuu yg mau TD wagon matik, ane rencana mw TD yg matik nih kalo jadi.

Di tunggu reviewnya, selain pintu depan yang mak jlebb

Wah nitip juga reviewnya.......



......... nambah lagi dong om mar


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Penampakkan lom keliatan ya

[b8099ok]

Soalnya om mar keblinger TD spgnya. Jd unit ags batal di TD

[m4rio]

hampir 5 bulan make wagon, KM baru hampir 5rb, so far nyaman2 aja sih hehehehehehehehehe

[FRD]

hampir 5 bulan make wagon, KM baru hampir 5rb, so far nyaman2 aja sih hehehehehehehehehe

tapi avatar & siggy kok masih panther??

[amfibi]

Panther alias suzan kan ga akan tergantikan mobil apapun ...

[CakOpiq]

First generation (1993–2006)

Second generation (1998–2010)

Third generation (2003–2008)

Fourth generation (2008–2012)

Fifth generation (2012–present)

Karimun Wagon R

[djia]

karimun estilo masuk generasi berapa? kyknya ga ada di daftar poto?

[sirahngelu]

karimun estilo masuk generasi berapa? kyknya ga ada di daftar poto?

Mungkin karena estilo itu hasil selingkuh dengan maruti, jadi gak masuk daftar.


Pernah tes drive estilo di rental.
Ok masuk gigi satu, injak gas sedikit. Loh gak ada dorongan maju blas.
Cek lagi transmisinya barangkali masih netral, lah positif sudah masuk gigi satu.
Injek gas lebih dalam, mesin meraung, baru deh maju dengan enggan.
Repot ini kalau dipakai nyalip, gas sudah dibejek meraung dulu baru kecepatan nambah.

gak jadi ambil estilo deh meski sewanya lebih murah.

[CakOpiq]

karimun estilo masuk generasi berapa? kyknya ga ada di daftar poto?

& mohon maap kalo OOT.. Kartelo masuk keluarga Karimun scr paksa.. di punya bawaan lahir yg beda mestinya feelnya juga beda.. ditempat lahirnya dia memiliki beberapa jalan lahir bersama kembaran dari ibu-ibu lainnya..



mungkin krn lahan parkir sempit mobil ini sering kesodok-sodok.. jadi makin kotak di generasi 2 [previewed at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show in 2005, where a concept called Mom's Personal Wagon was presented]:


di generasi 3 [ 20 January 2011] sodokan makin kuat.. jd kotak beneran:



ndak pas jd mobil Low cost.. kerana kenyataannya harga spaerpratnya lebih mahal dari karimun WAGON-R

[CakOpiq]

ane sdh bungkus KRW GS yang AGS untuk menemani si MPV bongsor atoyot Navigator matic CVT.
sensasi berkendara dgn transmisi AMT di KRW ini:
- saat lambat hampir berhenti di kemiringan (krn ane mau belok nengok situasi) ada rasa kopling dimain-mainin. Maka ane merasa butuh main-mainin gas buat mengkompensasi rasa takut mundur/berhenti.
- Saat terjadi perpindahan gigi saat percepatan ada sensasi kopling dimainin jd kerasa ada jeda akselesasi seperti kehilangan daya dorong sebentar. Karena biasa pakai yg CVT yg ngak pernah kerasa jeda jd agak terganggu di pikiran sj. Apalagi kalo kejadiannya pas lagi nyalip.. Untuk jalanan rata jalan santai pakai matic enak. Tp kalo mau bebas dari rasa bersalah atau full control tinggal pindahkan ke Manual. Rasa manualnya lbh enak dibanding injek kopling..
- Beberapa kali khilaf ngak mau maju kerana lupa injek rem saat pindah dari netral ke D atau R. Jadinya tuas sudah pindah posisi tapi gear tetap netral gas naik tp boil ngak gerak. Di keramain bisa bikin panik aja ini.. harus balikin tuas ke netral lalu ulang prosedur dgn menginjek rem dulu.
- dari berhenti ke akselerasi di kemiringan agak tajam harus pakai handbrake.. kalo kemiringan kecil aja gpp tanpa handbrake.
- saat stop & go rasa akselerasinya sering ketinggalan dari mobil-mobil umumnya. startnya bareng tp mobil depan ane sering menjauh. apa harus ane kickdown yah.. tp kick down bukan selera ane, ngak senang mendengar mesin dengan deru naik turun. Sdh kebiasa dgn CVT yang deruannya halus tiba-tiba kencang..
- kadang tidak merasa anteng serasa naik kutu loncat.. munkin emang begini rasanya bawa mobil 900kilo melawan kebiasaan bawa boil 1.7ton.

Overall: ane puass dgn kei car ini. Imut, lebarnya yg cuman 1.475 m. Tempat duduk tinggi memudahkan meningkatkan kewaspadaan jaga moncong di kerumunan motor. Karakter jalanan depok selatan jakarta pas banget dengan boil ini. banyak tikungan, ramai org bermotor, serasa naik motor yg paling gede. Tetap merasa aman dan lbh cepat sampai..

Yang kadang mengganggu adalah pilar kanan depan supir, di tikungan sering menjadi penghalang menimbulkan blind spot.

Ane lbh pilih AGS untuk dataran normal, pilih MT kalo tinggalnya di puncak (jalanan naik turun macet pula..)..

[bivanos88]

ane sdh bungkus KRW GS yang AGS untuk menemani si MPV bongsor atoyot Navigator matic CVT.
sensasi berkendara dgn transmisi AMT di KRW ini:
- saat lambat hampir berhenti di kemiringan (krn ane mau belok nengok situasi) ada rasa kopling dimain-mainin. Maka ane merasa butuh main-mainin gas buat mengkompensasi rasa takut mundur/berhenti.
- Saat terjadi perpindahan gigi saat percepatan ada sensasi kopling dimainin jd kerasa ada jeda akselesasi seperti kehilangan daya dorong sebentar. Karena biasa pakai yg CVT yg ngak pernah kerasa jeda jd agak terganggu di pikiran sj. Apalagi kalo kejadiannya pas lagi nyalip.. Untuk jalanan rata jalan santai pakai matic enak. Tp kalo mau bebas dari rasa bersalah atau full control tinggal pindahkan ke Manual. Rasa manualnya lbh enak dibanding injek kopling..
- Beberapa kali khilaf ngak mau maju kerana lupa injek rem saat pindah dari netral ke D atau R. Jadinya tuas sudah pindah posisi tapi gear tetap netral gas naik tp boil ngak gerak. Di keramain bisa bikin panik aja ini.. harus balikin tuas ke netral lalu ulang prosedur dgn menginjek rem dulu.
- dari berhenti ke akselerasi di kemiringan agak tajam harus pakai handbrake.. kalo kemiringan kecil aja gpp tanpa handbrake.
- saat stop & go rasa akselerasinya sering ketinggalan dari mobil-mobil umumnya. startnya bareng tp mobil depan ane sering menjauh. apa harus ane kickdown yah.. tp kick down bukan selera ane, ngak senang mendengar mesin dengan deru naik turun. Sdh kebiasa dgn CVT yang deruannya halus tiba-tiba kencang..
- kadang tidak merasa anteng serasa naik kutu loncat.. munkin emang begini rasanya bawa mobil 900kilo melawan kebiasaan bawa boil 1.7ton.

Overall: ane puass dgn kei car ini. Imut, lebarnya yg cuman 1.475 m. Tempat duduk tinggi memudahkan meningkatkan kewaspadaan jaga moncong di kerumunan motor. Karakter jalanan depok selatan jakarta pas banget dengan boil ini. banyak tikungan, ramai org bermotor, serasa naik motor yg paling gede. Tetap merasa aman dan lbh cepat sampai..

Yang kadang mengganggu adalah pilar kanan depan supir, di tikungan sering menjadi penghalang menimbulkan blind spot.

Ane lbh pilih AGS untuk dataran normal, pilih MT kalo tinggalnya di puncak (jalanan naik turun macet pula..)..

wah mantap review KRW GS AGS nya.
Untuk konsumsin bensinnya gimana om?

[CakOpiq]

FC untuk GS/AGS blm test om, tidak ada di display dan blm pernah full tank. Mungkin tidak sehemat tipe dibawahnya yang pakai ban 145/80R13. Bawaan orok GS 175/65R14, lbh lebar harusnya lbh nggigit dan lbh boros aplg yg buat yg suka injek rem nempelin motor-motor yg nyerimpetin jalan ane. Tp rasanya emang pelan banget turunnya bar bengsin

Sensasi paling asiknya adalah: di belokan bisa asik-asik senggolan istri disamping.. dan kita berempat (2 anak) serasa lebih dekat/intim.

Btw, kebiasaan pakai si bongsor atoyot ane kehilangan kenyamanan di:
1. Tuas persneling kenapa ngak di dashboard aja sih.. dan sekalian handbrake pindahin ke kaki kiri.. ruangan jd lega & lbh flexible.
2. lokasi handbrake dan persneling kan bisa jd kursi atau armrest.. tak mengapa kaloupun optional. Berkendara dgn menapakkan kedua tangan diatas armrest sangat membantu kesantaian...
3. sudah tahu boil ini kecil bagasi kecil, knp kursi belakangnya ngak dibikin bisa rata biar bisa muat bawa MEJA masuk cabin.. . Pernal lihat estilo bisa masak ini ngak bisa.

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Do'a ane berikutnya adalah: Smoga Allah beri kemampuan kebeli yg lbh multi fungsi semisal ini:

[m4rio]

kalo ane pake wagon R M/T, rekor teririt pernah dapet 18km/l, terboros pernah juga 8km/l