Pajero sport vs fortuner

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Nightster Guy wrote:Baru nemu trid ginian....

Super lengkap. Most recommended thread. Dari soal kaki2 mobil sampe bedak dibahas campur aduk jadi 1.... Image

Kenapa drivetrain FWD lebih rentan? Karena selain sebagai penggerak dia juga harus belok2. Lain dibanding RWD yang berbagi tugas. Belakang sebagai tenaga, depan buat belok.

Ini IMO nya nubie sotoy yang pernah bermasalah berbulan2 ama Prestige 89 nya adik, saat taun 99an lah, mobil umur 10 taun, bunyi 'ktok-ktok-ktok' saat belok nyaris patah. Mesti ganti entah apanya 4 jutaan, jaman taun segitu mah 4 juta berasa dirampok.
Nah begitulah maksud saya. Walopun FWD tidak mutlak menggunakan, tp mayoritas menggunakan sistem R n P yg cukup rentan. Belum lg kalo boot as steet yg dr karet sobek, maka kotoran akan masuk n menyebabkan rack end menjadi aus.
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kalo belok patah bunyi ktok...ktok..., biasanya gir nanas nya (istilah otomotifnya gak ngerti)sdh gompal, dan biasanya disebabkan oleh pecah/sobeknya karet penahan debu, sehingga kemasukan pasir atau kerikil yg nempel bersama grease di gir tersebut.
dulu mobil Holden Camira babe juga begitu, check ke bengkel girnya dah gompal.
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kalo crv pake rack n pinion juga ngak??
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BADAK wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Baru nemu trid ginian....

Super lengkap. Most recommended thread. Dari soal kaki2 mobil sampe bedak dibahas campur aduk jadi 1.... Image

Kenapa drivetrain FWD lebih rentan? Karena selain sebagai penggerak dia juga harus belok2. Lain dibanding RWD yang berbagi tugas. Belakang sebagai tenaga, depan buat belok.

Ini IMO nya nubie sotoy yang pernah bermasalah berbulan2 ama Prestige 89 nya adik, saat taun 99an lah, mobil umur 10 taun, bunyi 'ktok-ktok-ktok' saat belok nyaris patah. Mesti ganti entah apanya 4 jutaan, jaman taun segitu mah 4 juta berasa dirampok.
Nah begitulah maksud saya. Walopun FWD tidak mutlak menggunakan, tp mayoritas menggunakan sistem R n P yg cukup rentan. Belum lg kalo boot as steet yg dr karet sobek, maka kotoran akan masuk n menyebabkan rack end menjadi aus.
kalo rack end aus, menyebabkan spelleng (saat setir diputar terdapat jeda sebelum ban ikut belok) setir jadinya lebih banyak ?
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vote42ner wrote:kalo crv pake rack n pinion juga ngak??
sepertinya sudah electronic Power steering (EPS), bener ndak ya? :e-think:

tetap rack n pinion dengan power assist - cmiiw
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toyotaman wrote:Sebelum ada orang coba coba buang duit sia sia beli fortuner, baca dulu studi banding ini. Tenang, ngak bilang fortuner ngak kuat nanjak kok :

Saya jadi terinspirasi untuk cek dan recek, dan banding ama PJS. Karena dari mesin aja PJS jauh lebih bagus dan powerful. Jangan jangan kaki fortuner sebenernya juga below average, ngak bisa bawa beban terlalu banyak juga.


Tampang sih gede, tapi mesinnya aja udah ketahuan banci, underpowered gitu (apalagi dieselnya), jangan jangan kakinya juga kaki cewek untuk mobil segede gitu. Karena saya perhatiin, pokoknya kalau udah urusan proyek IMV (innova, fortuner gitu), ada aja yang kurang memuaskan banding saingan directnya, misalnya hasil uji tabrakan ngak ada, mesin loyo boros.


Gini katanya tough. OK, mari kita lihat setanguh apa kaki kaki fortuner :


Kita lihat dulu spec fortuner :

toyota fortuner :

Gross Vehicle Weight : 2510 kg

Curb weight : 1955 kg

Max Payload : 555 kg


http://www.toyotabharat.com/cars/new_ca ... specs.aspx


Jadi ternyata fortuner cuman mampu bawa beban maximum yang di anjurkan toyota sendiri, cuman 555 kg ! Lah, avanza aja gitu kecil aja bisa bawa 540 kg ! Masa fortuner yang kata fortunerman kaki badak, body gede, big and tough, ternyata kemampuan bawa bebannya cuman beda 15 kg doang banding avanza !! :mky_07: :mky_07: :mky_07:


OK, bisa aja dia sekarang bilang, avanza super kuat kali. OK, sekarang kita cek kaki kaki Mitsubishi Pajero Sport :


Pajero Sport :

Gross Vehicle Weight : 2650 kg

Curb Weight : 1945 kg

Max Payload : 705 kg !


http://www.ktb.co.id/pajerosport/specification.html


Jadi kaki kaki PJS mampu nanggung beban sampai maximal batas aman 705 kg !!!


Lebih KUAT 150 kg banding fortuner ! 150 kg guys ! Bisa bawa 2 orang dewasa lagi @ 75 kg atau 4 koper besar @ 37.5 kg !
Ini exhibit ke-100 pembodohan ala koyoman. Data yg dia pake dari Fortuner 3.0 4WD, sedangkan Pajero Sport yg 2WD. Yg gampang dibodohi (liat aja sendiri orang2nya)....langsung nyembah....makasi ya koyoman infonya mmuach muachh. Saya google 5 menit ketemu data yg bener untuk Fortuner2 Indonesia. Silahkan dicek datanya.

Fortuner 2.7 VVT-i http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/car_specs.php?pid=3085

Gross Weight: 2510 kg
Kerb Weight: 1705 kg
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Daya angkut Maximum ?? : :big_weee:

Fortuner 2.5 D4D

Gross Weight: 2505 kg http://www.durbansouthtoyota.co.za/NewC ... iant=15912
Curb Weight: 1815 kg http://www.autoindustriya.com/car/id/332/
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Daya angkut Maximum ?? : :big_weee:

Kalo versi Toyota Astra http://www.toyota.astra.co.id/product/? ... l=Fortuner

Gross Weight
2011 2.7 VVT-i AT 2350 kg
2011 2.5 D4D AT 2380 kg

Curb weight
2011 2.7 VVT-i AT 1710-1770 kg
2011 2.5 D4D AT 1790-1830 kg
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untung ada om FM yang senantiasa teliti hehe..
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Abu2 wrote:
vote42ner wrote:kalo crv pake rack n pinion juga ngak??
sepertinya sudah electronic Power steering (EPS), bener ndak ya? :e-think:

tetap rack n pinion dengan power assist - cmiiw
eps hanya pada versi 2.0L

seingat saya menggunakan rack and pinion dengan power assist
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Cmiiw....rack and pinion atau recirculating ball itu jenis konstruksi nya...kebanyakan kendaraan kecil sekarang keluaran baru memakai mekanisme elektrik,,,cmiiw seperti EPS...kalau tidak salah pioneer nya disini karimun:)
Trus ada lagi mekanisme hidraulis yang umum kita jumpai.
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Bedanya EPS dan HPS apa ya om??
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Kalau nubietol tidak salah sih yang 1 digerakkan elektrik 1 nya lagi secara hidraulis....cmiiw
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Lebih handal mana??
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Banyak yang melaporkan kasus bunyi2 steering rack kala menghantam lobang utk sx4...sx4 menganut elektric PS...kalau handal2an ane buta dah...kalau karimun trouble free misalkan, bolehkan EPS disebut handal?‎​‎​Ђεђεђε :D Ђεђεђε™
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AFAIK..sistem EPS dewasa ini sudah bs dikatakan handal...adapun kejadian bunyi2 di SX4 itu krn bushing racknya yg mudah aus...dan hal ini bisa saja terjadi di sistem HPS...bukan krn mekanisme EPS-nya
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Thanks kakak pembina.....:)
Oiya...further addition, gd3 kayanya blm ada laporan EPS nya kaput ya...jadi iya..termasuk handal.
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klo system EPS begitu apakah ada perawatan khusus nya? dan klo ada trouble apa bengkel power steering umum bisa handle?
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adakah efek negatif jika EPS pemakai sering belokin sampe mentok "duk" seperti pada sistem hydraulis?
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Ada efek negatif jika sering belok patah?
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doq wrote:klo system EPS begitu apakah ada perawatan khusus nya? dan klo ada trouble apa bengkel power steering umum bisa handle?
saya sendiri blm pernah ngalamin masalah, dan gak pernah ngerawat apa2,hehehe....
paling kalo mbl udah sebulan gak dipake, biasanya di awal stir diputer terasa berat/macet..tapi setelah itu lancar lagi

khusus yg dirumahnya banyak tikus, sebaiknya rajin dicek kabel2nya...ada beberapa user karlo yg komplen ke beres krn EPS mati (stir berat), ternyata masalahnya cuma kabel putus krn digigit tikus. :mrgreen:
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BADAK wrote:[
Ya memang tidak semua mbl RWD pake recicurlating ball. Kijang, Panther, Kuda jg pake rack n pinion. Tapi yg plg banyak menggunakan rack n pinion mbl FWD. CMIIW yah. Hanya berdasarkan pengamatan pribadi, rack end termasuk kurang kuat dibandingkan recicurlating ball.
Panther rasanya masih recirculating ball yah ?

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LC 80 juga masih recirculating ball...cmiiw
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Turboman wrote:
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Ya memang tidak semua mbl RWD pake recicurlating ball. Kijang, Panther, Kuda jg pake rack n pinion. Tapi yg plg banyak menggunakan rack n pinion mbl FWD. CMIIW yah. Hanya berdasarkan pengamatan pribadi, rack end termasuk kurang kuat dibandingkan recicurlating ball.
Panther rasanya masih recirculating ball yah ?

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Maap, saya yg salah. Panther memang menggunakan recirculating ball. Thx koreksinya..
Tapi kenapa panther jg ada rack end yg biasa digunakan pd tipe rack n pinion yah? :e-think:
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toyotaman wrote:Masa fortuner yang kata fortunerman kaki badak, body gede, big and tough
Lho kok kata saya :mrgreen:

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Itu setau ane bukan rack end kan dak?
Sama mcm tokisul yang tidak memakai per di suspensi depannya....namanya sentrik?atau apa ane kurang tau...monggo pencerahannya..
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As sentrik ya jemb? Tapi orang bengkel nyebutnya rack end, dikemasannya jg tertulis rack end. Sedangkan bentuknya mirip long tie rod. Nah yg houshing ball biasa disebut houshing steer. Brarti saya yg salah, panther kijang kuda jg recirculating ball. CMIIW
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