Most reliable cars

[maskopat]

ane coba ngutip dari tante wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80 ... le_recalls

9 juta recall.... 9 juta... 9 juta... dan.. itu pun setelah diobok2 sama wartawan baru recall... kalo gak diobok2??

[maskopat]

masih dari link tadi...

As of January 28, 2010, Toyota had announced recalls of approximately 5.2 million vehicles for the pedal entrapment/floor mat problem, and an additional 2.3 million vehicles for the accelerator pedal problem. Approximately 1.7 million vehicles are subject to both.[3][4] Certain related Lexus and Pontiac models were also affected.[5][6] The next day, Toyota widened the recall to include 1.8 million vehicles in Europe and 75,000 in China.[7] By then, the worldwide total number of cars recalled by Toyota stood at 9 million.[8] Sales of multiple recalled models were suspended for several weeks as a result of the accelerator pedal recall,[9] with the vehicles awaiting replacement parts. As of January 2010, 21 deaths were alleged due the pedal problem since 2000, but following the January 28 recall, additional NHTSA complaints brought the alleged total to 37.[10][11] The number of alleged victims and reported problems sharply increased following the recall announcements,[10][12] which were heavily covered by U.S. media,[13] although the causes of individual reports were difficult to verify.[14][15][16] Government officials, automotive experts, Toyota, and members of the general public contested the scope of the sudden acceleration issue and the veracity of victim and problem reports.[17][18][19] Various parties attributed sudden unintended acceleration reports to mechanical, electric, and driver error causes.[20][21][22] Some US owners that had their recalled vehicles repaired still reported accelerator pedal issues, leading to investigations and the finding of improper repairs.[23][24] The recalls further led to additional NHTSA and Toyota investigations,[25][26] along with multiple lawsuits.[27]

On February 8, 2011, the NHTSA, in collaboration with NASA, released its findings into the investigation on the Toyota drive-by-wire throttle system. After a 10 month search, NASA and NHTSA scientists found no electronic defect in Toyota vehicles.[28] Driver error or pedal misapplication was found responsible for most of the incidents.[29] The report ended stating, "Our conclusion is Toyota's problems were mechanical, not electrical." This included sticking accelerator pedals, and pedals caught under floor mats.[30]

[M-90]

Iya nih, trit yg jadi rusak krn ada oknum yg pingin melampiaskan kebencian sama merk tertentu secara berlebihan.

Di kaskus udah bikin rusuh. Eh balik lagi kemari kirain udah Tobat ternyata Tomat, habis Tobat Kumat

Apa sih enaknya punya kebencian yg berlebihan spt Om TM sama merk Toyota.

Hidup di buat gampang aja Om.
Ngapain benci2an. Dilarang agama Om.
Apalagi benci sama benda mati

[AD74YA]

Btw

Definisi reliabel apa sih? Emang kalo recall gal reliabel?

[ZombiEE]

Btw

Definisi reliabel apa sih? Emang kalo recall gal reliabel?

Reliabel itu tiap individu beda....tanya sopir angkot, itu angkot nya reliabel?ya reliable...coba tanya ane...yah pasti ane bilang like [cencored]..no offence...getaran sana sini,..bunyi trim...to me that is not reliabel...

[maskopat]

Btw

Definisi reliabel apa sih? Emang kalo recall gal reliabel?

tanya aja si boyot... maksudnya apa tuh reliable... kan dia yang selalu dicap sebagai most reliable car in the world...
nih kicauan boyot indonesia.. http://www.twitter.com/ToyotaID

[Nightster Guy]

Reliabilitas. Sangat relatif. Gak gampang rusak apa jadi indikator bahwa sebuah mobil reliabel? Ya, IMPO. Berarti Jepangan2 ane selama ini reliabel kecuali Espass. Malah si Mercedes yang kagak huehehehe.... Gak dipake adaaaaa aja macetnya. Maklum injexi jurassic era....

[AD74YA]

Nah relativitas inilah kenapa ukuran reliabel itu hanya bisa didapat dari Survey Pengalaman Konsumen. Bener kan? Jadi istilahnya.. Ga ada panduan khusus untuk menentukan sebuah produkreliabel atau enggak kan?

@bro M90: tolong jaga bahasa postingan anda. Thanks

[maskopat]

kalo direcall, masih masuk kategori reliable gak?

[ZombiEE]

Saya rasa lembaha survei apapun ada metodologi nya beserta penjelasan sampel apa gimana yang diambil....cmiiw...utk hasil survey yg di post TS..ane malas baca...uwkwkwkw

[maskopat]

Saya rasa lembaha survei apapun ada metodologi nya beserta penjelasan sampel apa gimana yang diambil....cmiiw...utk hasil survey yg di post TS..ane malas baca...uwkwkwkw

kalo metodenya gak jelas, kenapa kita harus percaya??? parameter yang diukur apa, gimana ngukurnya, gimana ngambil data, berapa tingkat kepresisian data....

[AD74YA]

@kopat: menurut ane tetep reliabel: contoh anj awak di recall masalah elektrik. Cuman sejam. Sampe saat ini ga ada masalah. Tiap starter mau nyala, tiap ngebut mesin halus transmisi juga..
Bensin ga bocor, ac ga rusak. Lampu masih nyala semua, indikator fine.

Reliabel kan?

@jembie: kalau ga salah emang ada. Yg ikut survey harus ngasih tau udah berapa lama dia pakai produknya. Gant chart nya yang diatas 5 tahun di prioritaskan.. Ane pernah liat punya autobild. Bener gak ya?

[maskopat]

@kopat: menurut ane tetep reliabel: contoh anj awak di recall masalah elektrik. Cuman sejam. Sampe saat ini ga ada masalah. Tiap starter mau nyala, tiap ngebut mesin halus transmisi juga..
Bensin ga bocor, ac ga rusak. Lampu masih nyala semua, indikator fine.

Reliabel kan?

kalo rusak sebelum direcall dan kemudian direcall, apakah masuk penilaian pengurangan reliability?

[ZombiEE]

@gogo: utk tiap lembaga survey saya rasa ada perbedaan metodologi dan sampel nya.
@maskopat: one of the few automotive survey yg saya tau bisa diliat online adalah edmunds dan kbb... Coba saja, seingat saya ada penjelasan metodologi dan gimana sampell diambil including resale value rating, tapi itu utk daerah amerika utara.

[AD74YA]

Menurut ane sih reliabel pat... Kalau rusaknya mesti kita ganti2 sendiri nah itu kagak

Imo yaa

[FortunerMan]

Recall emang gak ada urusan ama hitungan reliability (DIBACA makanya metodologinya ). 9 juta yg di recall bukan berarti 9 juta yg rusak.

Data Consumer Reports, JD adalah dari yg bener2 rusak.

[ZombiEE]

Saya rasa lembaha survei apapun ada metodologi nya beserta penjelasan sampel apa gimana yang diambil....cmiiw...utk hasil survey yg di post TS..ane malas baca(bukan malas karena tidak kredibel, tp malas mendalami)...uwkwkwkw

kalo metodenya gak jelas, kenapa kita harus percaya??? parameter yang diukur apa, gimana ngukurnya, gimana ngambil data, berapa tingkat kepresisian data....

Sorry....edit dulu....

[FortunerMan]

Kalo males baca kaya om jembiee gpp. Kalo belum baca udah bilang metode gak jelas...itu lucu.

[solar_kerosen]

Fiuh....

Another dejavu trid lage. Buntut2nya sama persis ama trid tempo2 hari. Debat gak berkesudahan, banjir data sepanjang ular gaban, dan setelah dipikir2, data2 silang sengkarut tersebut nyaris NOL kontribusinya buat forum.... Maaf.....

share data bukan Fakta di lapangan , kembali ke fitrahnya Negara indonesia. jelas yg kita bisa bahas dengan detail adalah mobil di sekitar kita seperti kijang,Timor,livina dan lain lain kalau ngomongin yg terlalu jauh ke luar sana malah jadinya seperti baca majalah

jadi masalah reliable menurut saya sih lihat di negara kita tinggal , karena tahu kondisi jalan maupun faktor pendukungnya seperti bengkel atau toko onderdil

[ZombiEE]

Ane juga pengen skali2 pake caps lock...mods...I am sorry...‎​​メίίメίίメίί‎​​メίίメίίメίί
ANAK KECIL JUGA TAU KALAU RECALL MISALKAN 15JUTA UNIT ITU TIDAK BERARTI 15JUTA UNIT DEFECT ATAU CACAT SEMUA.....capische?
Cmiiw....ƙα̇̇̇̊α̇̇̇̊ßúúяяя•*˚*• ach...

[FortunerMan]

Ada yg nggak ngerti tuh diatas....katanya "recall banyak kok bisa dibilang reliable"

[maskopat]

Recall emang gak ada urusan ama hitungan reliability (DIBACA makanya metodologinya ). 9 juta yg di recall bukan berarti 9 juta yg rusak.

Data Consumer Reports, JD adalah dari yg bener2 rusak.

kalo gak rusak kenapa harus direcall??

[ZombiEE]

Recall emang gak ada urusan ama hitungan reliability (DIBACA makanya metodologinya ). 9 juta yg di recall bukan berarti 9 juta yg rusak.

Data Consumer Reports, JD adalah dari yg bener2 rusak.

kalo gak rusak kenapa harus direcall??

Crap can Swim..

[FortunerMan]

kalo gak rusak kenapa harus direcall??

Tuh kan om jembiee...masih ada yg gak ngerti

[maskopat]

kalo gak rusak kenapa harus direcall??

Tuh kan om jembiee...masih ada yg gak ngerti

berarti recall benerin mobil yang gak rusak?