Penantang Avanza - Xenia dari Suzuki

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thanks linknya pak... :thanks:
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kok depannya bagusan gambar ini.........
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setelah ane baca lagi, wb nya 2740mm bukan 2470mm.
dibanding GL yang wb nya 2600, sepertinya R3 ini akan lebih lega. seharusnya mirip2 ipah nih yang 2750mm... :e-think:
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Waduh bener juga om.. saya salah lihat yah, sorry my bad :frm_bang_head:
Tapi berarti kabar gembira dong, ada alternatif 7 seater yang lumayan lega :off_good_job: mudah2an harganya dibawah si Ipah yah :e-pray:
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kalo bener wb 2740mm, baru bs dimengerti kenapa overhangnya dibikin pendek...supaya dimensi totalnya tetap kompak dng wheelbase sepanjang itu...
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Weh, WB nya cuman beda 1 senti ma Ipah, mudahan leganya setara ato beti yak? Tapi, ngeliat foto, keknya kecil tuh space 3rd rownya.... :e-think:
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dg dimensi mendekati ipah, si RIII ini penggerak depan ato belakang ya? :e-think:
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doq wrote:dg dimensi mendekati ipah, si RIII ini penggerak depan ato belakang ya? :e-think:
kalau besar di kasih fwd bakal sulit juga ya kalo narik..freed aja di isi orang 5-6 nanjak dikit agak maksa..sama halnya gl saya dulu..
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kalo liat foto Ertiga dng kondisi GC seperti itu, andaikan penggerak RWD spertinya space kabin jadi terganggu krn bejolan ruang driveshaft (kopel) dilantainya. tapi entahlah, karena di jepun sendiri banyak line up mbl mereka yg kecil2 (kei class)tapi dng penggerak AWD/4WD, tentu suzuki punya resep2 jitu untuk mengurangi benjolan ruang kopel di lantai

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hhe, entah gimana resep nya sujuki biar kompartemen ruang tetap bisa di andalkan walaupun rwd..tapi bang jalu, kayak passo seate sama boon juga awd kan?sepertinya bisa jadi patokan seperti apa nantinya yang bakal di pakai suzuki..saya kemarin keburu ndak ngeh setelah liat ternyata collorad fwd..hiks..
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NYoman wrote:hhe, entah gimana resep nya sujuki biar kompartemen ruang tetap bisa di andalkan walaupun rwd..tapi bang jalu, kayak passo seate sama boon juga awd kan?sepertinya bisa jadi patokan seperti apa nantinya yang bakal di pakai suzuki..saya kemarin keburu ndak ngeh setelah liat ternyata collorad fwd..hiks..
ada yang lupa saya cermati....kalo ternyata mobil2 AWD format asalnya adalah FWD (mesin melintang)....dimana posisi input koplenya dari transaxle dan posisi transaxle ini lbh rendah dr crankshaft engine sehingga posisi kopel lbh rendah..makanya bejolan ruang kopel dilantai bs diminimize...

tapi kalo RWD...posisi input kopelnya dr transmisi dan posisinya sejajar dng crankshaft engine....jadi posisi kopel agak tinggi sehingga butuh benjolan ruang kopel. benjolan bs diminimize dng merancang posisi mesin lbh rendah (kalo untuk kondisi jalanan indonesia ini riskan) atau merancang lantai kendaraan yg lbh tinggi (tapi dng GC yg nampak difoto itu terliat cukup rendah)

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hhe, iya ya saya baru inget ternyata base engine nya melintang tidak membujur seperti rwd konvensial..
yah kita tunggu saja bagaimana nantinya, kita juga gak bisa menebak2 manggis kan hhe
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tapi kalo dikasi manggis saya gak nolak Man.... :off_good: :off_good:
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Satu pertanyaan dari saya:

Menurut om2 dimari, andaikan ada 2 mobil (baru) sekelas. FWD versus RWD, setelah jangka waktu tertentu, yang cenderung lebih cepat kalah FWD ato RWD di sisi penerus daya (drivetrain, setelah gearbox)? Apa masih berlaku paradigma jadul bawa 'tarikan depan lebih cepet tepar' ketimbang RWD (yang paling2 cuman crossjoint nya aja yang besok2nya kena, dalam kasus normal).

Asumsikan perawatan, kondisi medan, dll semua parameternya sama deh. :)
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Nightster Guy wrote:Satu pertanyaan dari saya:

Menurut om2 dimari, andaikan ada 2 mobil (baru) sekelas. FWD versus RWD, setelah jangka waktu tertentu, yang cenderung lebih cepat kalah FWD ato RWD di sisi penerus daya (drivetrain, setelah gearbox)? Apa masih berlaku paradigma jadul bawa 'tarikan depan lebih cepet tepar' ketimbang RWD (yang paling2 cuman crossjoint nya aja yang besok2nya kena, dalam kasus normal).

Asumsikan perawatan, kondisi medan, dll semua parameternya sama deh. :)
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Nightster Guy wrote:Satu pertanyaan dari saya:

Menurut om2 dimari, andaikan ada 2 mobil (baru) sekelas. FWD versus RWD, setelah jangka waktu tertentu, yang cenderung lebih cepat kalah FWD ato RWD di sisi penerus daya (drivetrain, setelah gearbox)? Apa masih berlaku paradigma jadul bawa 'tarikan depan lebih cepet tepar' ketimbang RWD (yang paling2 cuman crossjoint nya aja yang besok2nya kena, dalam kasus normal).

Asumsikan perawatan, kondisi medan, dll semua parameternya sama deh. :)
yang lebih dulu cepet rusak...? kalo dulu jawabannya : FWD,
tapi sekarang jawabannya tergantung kualitas material part yg digunakan :D

teknologi RWD sudah hadir jauh lebih dulu dibanding FWD...sehingga diawal2 mobil FWD masih belum begitu sempurna dibanding RWD sehingga ada keluhan2 yang muncul lbh awal dihadapan konsumen ketimbang mubil RWD yang sudah dr dulu mengalami penyempurnaan, dr situlah muncul paradigmanya.

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jalu wrote:tapi kalo dikasi manggis saya gak nolak Man.... :off_good: :off_good:
hhe, enak apel ya bang :mrgreen:
Nightster Guy wrote:Satu pertanyaan dari saya:

Menurut om2 dimari, andaikan ada 2 mobil (baru) sekelas. FWD versus RWD, setelah jangka waktu tertentu, yang cenderung lebih cepat kalah FWD ato RWD di sisi penerus daya (drivetrain, setelah gearbox)? Apa masih berlaku paradigma jadul bawa 'tarikan depan lebih cepet tepar' ketimbang RWD (yang paling2 cuman crossjoint nya aja yang besok2nya kena, dalam kasus normal).

Asumsikan perawatan, kondisi medan, dll semua parameternya sama deh. :)
kalau menurut saya lho ya, masih menurut saya ini..fwd sekarang kalau dibandingkan dengan dulu saya rasa hampir2 sepadan untuk tenaga nya, cuma untuk keadaan khusus (tanjakan) rwd masih paling baik..
dari sisi penerus daya, biasanya fwd jauh lebih rumit entah kenapa mobil dengan fwd kalau sudah lama kok agak berbeda bawaan nya kadang kopel nya itu udah agak bermasalah..sering bunyi grut2 atau tarikan nya jadi aneh (tersendat)
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doq wrote:Image
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waduhhh.....................keren juga nihhhh :big_slap:
mudah2an bisa menjawab, foto mbl diatas ini persis sama dengan Dongfeng Succe (joint venture dongfeng nissan, dengan basis nissan serena)

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di cungkwo sana, mbl ini memang mesinnya 1500cc : http://chinaautoweb.com/car-models/dongfeng-succe/
mungkin mereka mengambil basis mbl dr cina supaya bea masuk rendah krn ACFTA, jd harga jual bs kompetitif...mudah2an.
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jalu wrote:
doq wrote:Image
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waduhhh.....................keren juga nihhhh :big_slap:
mudah2an bisa menjawab, foto mbl diatas ini persis sama dengan Dongfeng Succe (joint venture dongfeng nissan, dengan basis nissan serena)

Image

-cut-
Image

di cungkwo sana, mbl ini memang mesinnya 1500cc : http://chinaautoweb.com/car-models/dongfeng-succe/
mungkin mereka mengambil basis mbl dr cina supaya bea masuk rendah krn ACFTA, jd harga jual bs kompetitif...mudah2an.
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ada foto crash testnya versi C-NCAP, gak tau berapa ratingnya...lg males gugel baca2

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jalu wrote:ada foto crash testnya versi C-NCAP, gak tau berapa ratingnya...lg males gugel baca2

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Ngomong2 C-NCAP, jadi teringet postingan ane dan bbrp rekan SM, yang mana situs C-NCAP udh ngga aktiv lagi... situsnya dijual... Dan di postingan ane, rasanya, mencopas pernyataan bhw hasil C-NCAP, standarnya tidak sebagus standar Latin NCAP sekalipun..alias...tidak valid..
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barusan saya cek situsnya aktif : http://www.c-ncap.org/C-NCAP/index.htm

valid atau nggak hasilnya...saya no comment.. :D
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wahhh...??
jd foto diatas itu safe to say bukan the next APV ya? :e-think:
jd apa donk? nissan kah? karena rasa nya kecil kemungkinan klo dipasarin dg tetap memakai merk china :e-think:
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tapi bisa juga tetap dng nama suzuki..krn kerjasama nissan - suzuki sudah lama terjalin dng serena - landy..
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